White Sox Projected Rotations

[Bob Sacamano]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I can see a realistic path for Hagen Smith.  He is a highly polished and nearly finished product.  He has pitched a lot of high pressure innings in college and other leagues.  He still has some ramping to do, but not so low of a number that you worry about pushing him into that 140-150 range too much.  Hopefully they don't Carlos Rodon him where they push him through the levels too quickly without really giving him any minor league experience.  While Rodon had the stuff, much like Smith, it took him years to figure out pitching at the major league level.  If Smith is ready he will show you, then move him.  If it takes a year or two, so what, this team doesn't need to start his clock any earlier than they have to anyway.  No need to rush him into a historical shitshow.

Schultz on the other hand should be more deliberate.  He's clocked pitching once a week, for a small IP total each start, and a small pitch count.  Even if he is highly effective, the conditioning deficit for him alone is enough to say already that he should be in the minors for all of 2025 at least.  Get him up into the 120-130 inning range, and get him pushing to 100 pitches in a single start.  Get a feel for pitching deep and how to manage his stuff for that 100 pitches, because his mental approach will be different than when he knew he was only going 50-60 pitches.  He should be a time line for mid to late 2026 if EVERYTHING goes right.

Right. Assuming no injury, I don’t want to see these guys until 2026.

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Right. Assuming no injury, I don’t want to see these guys until 2026.

If Smith pushes the issue based on performance, I would understand it, I would rather not... but I would understand.  There should be no scenario where we see Schultz this year.

[WhiteSox2023]

29 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If Smith pushes the issue based on performance, I would understand it, I would rather not... but I would understand.  There should be no scenario where we see Schultz this year.

This is Getz we are talking about.  Captain of the early call up.

[Nardiwashere]

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

This is Getz we are talking about.  Captain of the early call up.

Who did he call up early?  Besides Ramos's first promotion that was temporary, I can't remember anyone. 

[Tnetennba]

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

This is Getz we are talking about.  Captain of the early call up.

KW and Hahn were both plenty guilty of rushing guys.

[WestEddy]

23 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Who did he call up early?  Besides Ramos's first promotion that was temporary, I can't remember anyone. 

I really can't think of anyone beyond Ramos, who was kind of an emergency situation, the only infielder on the 40-man, at the time. I'm really amazed that the guy who twists every single move so he can complain about it is pretending that Getz rushes players so he can complain about it. 

But really, Thorpe, Iriarte? Both were jumped from AA to the bigs. Thorpe did well, Iriarte - 2 of his 6 outings were a little rough. He's on the 40-man. September call-up. 

[WestEddy]

28 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Who did he call up early?  Besides Ramos's first promotion that was temporary, I can't remember anyone. 

Oh, wait. Duke Ellis was another emergency call-up. Benintendi, Fletcher and Tommy Pham were all injured in the same 2-day period, so they called up DeLoach, Colas, and put Ellis on the 40-man to have enough OFs. That guy was chagrined that Getz made yet another roster move. Just as Getz should have known that all of Yoan, Eloy and Luis Robert would have been out, injured, by the 11th game of the season, he should have also known that Pham, Fletcher and Benny would get injured around June 3rd.

[caulfield12]

37 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Who did he call up early?  Besides Ramos's first promotion that was temporary, I can't remember anyone. 

Baldwin

[WhiteSox2023]

18 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I really can't think of anyone beyond Ramos, who was kind of an emergency situation, the only infielder on the 40-man, at the time. I'm really amazed that the guy who twists every single move so he can complain about it is pretending that Getz rushes players so he can complain about it. 

But really, Thorpe, Iriarte? Both were jumped from AA to the bigs. Thorpe did well, Iriarte - 2 of his 6 outings were a little rough. He's on the 40-man. September call-up. 

In this very post, you argued that my post was baseless and then listed three names off the top of your head that were called up earlier than necessary.  Starting clocks during one of the historically worst seasons in baseball made zero sense.

Edited December 31, 2024 by WhiteSox2023

[Nardiwashere]

Yeah... don't think he's earned this "Captain of the Early Call Up" nickname. 

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Yeah... don't think he's earned this "Captain of the Early Call Up" nickname. 

Yeah not yet. Some were just out of need.

[WestEddy]

24 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

In this very post, you argued that my post was baseless and then listed three names off the top of your head that were called up earlier than necessary.  Starting clocks during one of the historically worst seasons in baseball made zero sense.

It is baseless. You called Getz "Captain of the Early Call Up", and a few of us came up with 5 players who could have taken longer to get to the majors. Ellis? Who cares? He can't even hit in AA. He's not a prospect. Thorpe? He was making AA look ridiculous. He was ready, and did well until his elbow gave out.

Ramos was an emergency, and got a look in the bigs. I wouldn't call that "rushed". When opposing teams adjusted to him, he was sent down. Baldwin was hitting in AA and AAA. I suppose they could have played games with his service time for two more years, then brought him sporadically in 2027, 2028 and '29 so ensure they had 6 full seasons after that. What would the point be? 

Iriarte was on the 40-man, and got a September call-up to see how his stuff played. You make these weird statements about Reinsdorf "loving his rebuilds" or Getz rushing players, but the facts don't really bear that out. 

[Quin]

I mean, I'm on Team Getz Made Panicky Moves, but idk if they were early call-ups so much as Brad Keller, Nick Senzel and the parade of corpses that paved the path to the 121.

[southsider2k5]

56 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Oh, wait. Duke Ellis was another emergency call-up. Benintendi, Fletcher and Tommy Pham were all injured in the same 2-day period, so they called up DeLoach, Colas, and put Ellis on the 40-man to have enough OFs. That guy was chagrined that Getz made yet another roster move. Just as Getz should have known that all of Yoan, Eloy and Luis Robert would have been out, injured, by the 11th game of the season, he should have also known that Pham, Fletcher and Benny would get injured around June 3rd.

Bookmark this for the next time you cry about people targeting you.

[southsider2k5]

8 minutes ago, Quin said:

I mean, I'm on Team Getz Made Panicky Moves, but idk if they were early call-ups so much as Brad Keller, Nick Senzel and the parade of corpses that paved the path to the 121.

Captain Panic (copyright pending)

[Quin]

https://www.sporcle.com/games/zFordesi/every-2024-white-sox-player

This quiz still cracks me up. I got 52 and even that was daunting.

[southsider2k5]

14 minutes ago, Quin said:

https://www.sporcle.com/games/zFordesi/every-2024-white-sox-player

This quiz still cracks me up. I got 52 and even that was daunting.

33 pitchers.

[Boopa1219]

7 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

I think that is dumb.  Guy threw 88 innings last year, and 115 in his pro career.  He's not ready for an every 5th day spot on a major league rotation.  Get him up to 120-130 this year in the minors, then call him up in May 2026.  But yah, you're probably right - if this regime is anything like the previous, we'll see him before he's ready. 

Innings are the same in the minors as the pros. He can get MLB guys out right now, why can’t they continue to stretch him and increase his innings at the big league level? Do you think the Sox are playing for something other than the first overall pick?

[Boopa1219]

24 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

Innings are the same in the minors as the pros. He can get MLB guys out right now, why can’t they continue to stretch him and increase his innings at the big league level? Do you think the Sox are playing for something other than the first overall pick?

I’m not saying he should open the year in Chicago but if he keeps it up and it’s after the ASB or later in the season, bring him up. The only argument for keeping him down till 2026 is that the Sox might get an extra pick because he could win ROY that year. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Boopa1219

[Balta1701]

4 hours ago, Boopa1219 said:

Innings are the same in the minors as the pros. He can get MLB guys out right now, why can’t they continue to stretch him and increase his innings at the big league level? Do you think the Sox are playing for something other than the first overall pick?

Weirdly I'm with this one - AS LONG AS they are careful about innings limits. 

If either of them comes out and spends the first couple months simply better than AA hitting, I don't want them kept in the minors. They do have to be careful about innings, I can't say that enough, and I have no confidence in Katz doing this yet so he has to actually manage a pitcher to avoid me complaining more, but if AA hitters are hitting sub-.200 against either of them, bring them up after a couple of months and let them see big league hitters.