White Sox agree to 1 year deal with INF Josh Rojas

[WestEddy]

28 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And that’s fine. Colson can get 90 games at SS in 2025 (if he’s ready, which isn’t a given based on his 2024), and there’s still plenty of value in a guy like Kim bouncing between SS and 2b. Again, $12-14M AAV is barely above an average salary for 50% of the league.

You are correct. There is "value". But it's not value that will benefit the White Sox. 

Mentioning the Royals is like the 3-legged horse metaphor. Sure one could win a race somewhere in some scenario, but that doesn't make 3 legged horses some market inefficiency. It's a fluke. The Kansas City Royals didn't make the playoffs because they splurged on free agents. They made the playoffs because their rag-tag team played the worst team in modern history 13 times, and went 1-12. 

And your $12-14M AAV is you making up a number that would be a discount for a package that Kim most probably wouldn't sign. 

[FT35]

36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The whole roster is immediate need, and you might actually have the guy who can do it internally for tens of millions of dollars cheaper by the time this team has few enough holes to spend big money on immediate needs.  No more half assed roster building.  Take the pain now and give yourself the most chances to get it right instead of panic buying for a couple of more wins on a historically bad team.

Totally agree here.  This is the way to go—but our player evaluation is non-existent and I have zero faith that they get it right, leading to said millions of savings.  
 

There is value in all MLB at bats.  Whether they are used to try to evaluate current talent on the roster or to increase value of older players who could be flipped for more upside than the internal crop.  Again—choosing the correct path for players has not been our strong suit.  They have been taking a beating on playing internal options AND capitalizing on flip value.  

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

37 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

No more half assed roster building is exactly what you’re advocating for and what they did during the last rebuild. Waited to spend “big money” to sign Grandal, Kuechel, Pollock, etc. I’m not interested in doing that again. Start signing FA players to reasonable 3-5 year contracts a couple years before you’re ready to be competitive rather than rushing to sign the left over scraps once the contention window smacks you in the face. Hell, the Royals went on a mini spending spree last winter and turned a 56 win team into a 86 win team. Sometimes it doesn’t take much.

People ripping you for wanting to add quality MLB talent to this team are wild. Worried about saving Jerry's money

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Because they had internal candidates who they had given playing time to and learn about.  They weren't signing free agents at their absolute bottom.  They also didn't block Witt years before, and insteadlet him play. Also the absurdity that this guy is going to be THE guy for the Sox in 4 or 5 years down the road is ridiculous.   If he was that good, he'd be a 9 figure player.

Not true at all. The Royals lost more games in 2023 than any other season since 2005. How is that not the absolute bottom? The only guys that were sure things coming out of the 2023 season were Witt, Perez, and Ragans. The rest of the roster was young and unproven or downright bad.

[Timmy U]

17 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The Kansas City Royals didn't make the playoffs because they splurged on free agents. They made the playoffs because their rag-tag team played the worst team in modern history 13 times, and went 1-12. 

Yeah, and Bobby Witt Jr. put up 10.4 fWar. Develop 1 guy like that, then spend all you want on FA.

[TheBooneLoganEra]

40 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

No more half assed roster building is exactly what you’re advocating for and what they did during the last rebuild. Waited to spend “big money” to sign Grandal, Kuechel, Pollock, etc. I’m not interested in doing that again. Start signing FA players to reasonable 3-5 year contracts a couple years before you’re ready to be competitive rather than rushing to sign the left over scraps once the contention window smacks you in the face. Hell, the Royals went on a mini spending spree last winter and turned a 56 win team into a 86 win team. Sometimes it doesn’t take much.

All of this right here brother 

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Not true at all. The Royals lost more games in 2023 than any other season since 2005. How is that not the absolute bottom? The only guys that were sure things coming out of the 2023 season were Witt, Perez, and Ragans. The rest of the roster was young and unproven or downright bad.

Because they had already spent YEARS collecting and playing their own guys, including a SS they didn't immediately block.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

23 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You are correct. There is "value". But it's not value that will benefit the White Sox. 

Mentioning the Royals is like the 3-legged horse metaphor. Sure one could win a race somewhere in some scenario, but that doesn't make 3 legged horses some market inefficiency. It's a fluke. The Kansas City Royals didn't make the playoffs because they splurged on free agents. They made the playoffs because their rag-tag team played the worst team in modern history 13 times, and went 1-12. 

And your $12-14M AAV is you making up a number that would be a discount for a package that Kim most probably wouldn't sign. 

and the 2003 Detroit Tigers made it to the World Series 3 years later. Another fluke I guess. But you can’t even luck into a “fluke” if you aren’t trying. Give me 9 starting position players that produce like Josh Rojas and Ha-Seong Kim and perhaps we will be the ones on the right side of a fluke season in the future. But not signing ANY meaningful free agents over the next few years will assure that the Sox are still “rebuilding” in 2027.

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Because they had already spent YEARS collecting and playing their own guys, including a SS they didn't immediately block.

And also if you have the idea the Sox are 1 player from a 30 win improvement,  you need to share whatever you are on.

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

and the 2003 Detroit Tigers made it to the World Series 3 years later. Another fluke I guess. But you can’t even luck into a “fluke” if you aren’t trying. Give me 9 starting position players that produce like Josh Rojas and Ha-Seong Kim and perhaps we will be the ones on the right side of a fluke season in the future. But not signing ANY meaningful free agents over the next few years will assure that the Sox are still “rebuilding” in 2027.

Who had also spent YEARS collecting and playing top picks and sign FAs much later.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Because they had already spent YEARS collecting and playing their own guys, including a SS they didn't immediately block.

Years?? How many guys from their 2021 mlb roster were key contributors to the 2024 team?

[TheBooneLoganEra]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And also if you have the idea the Sox are 1 player from a 30 win improvement,  you need to share whatever you are on.

They blew what.....30 saves last year? Maybe an all star closer? Just sayin....it doesn't have to be as hard as this franchise makes it. 

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Years?? How many guys from their 2021 mlb roster were key contributors to the 2024 team?

What FAs did they sign in 2021 who were key contributers in 2024?  Looks to me like they went out and got the guys they needed immediately before the 24 season to compliment the guys they already had.

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:

They blew what.....30 saves last year? Maybe an all star closer? Just sayin....it doesn't have to be as hard as this franchise makes it. 

Your closer doesn't cover all of those BS.   How many of those were 9th inning flops last year?

Most of that was middle relief, which again goes to this franchise needing tons of help, and not one guy.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

And mentioning Witt and Colson Montgomery in the same sentence is ridiculous. Witt hit 33 homers between AA and AAA as a 21 year old including a .936 OPS in AAA with plus plus defense and speed. Colson had a .710 OPS in AAA as a 22 year old with questions about his defensive ability to stick at SS. They are not in the same arena. Colson might turn out to be a good mlb player and should get his opportunity to show what he can do but this is not even closely remote to a Bobby Witt situation to where anyone should be worried about “blocking” him.

Literally, the only position I’d be worried about blocking right now is catcher. And that’s because they have two T50 prospects in AAA at the position and another 26 year old that’s shown he’s probably good enough to be a serviceable backup.

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And mentioning Witt and Colson Montgomery in the same sentence is ridiculous. Witt hit 33 homers between AA and AAA as a 21 year old including a .936 OPS in AAA with plus plus defense and speed. Colson had a .710 OPS in AAA as a 22 year old with questions about his defensive ability to stick at SS. They are not in the same arena. Colson might turn out to be a good mlb player and should get his opportunity to show what he can do but this is not even closely remote to a Bobby Witt situation to where anyone should be worried about “blocking” him.

Literally, the only position I’d be worried about blocking right now is catcher. And that’s because they have two T50 prospects in AAA at the position and another 26 year old that’s shown he’s probably good enough to be a serviceable backup.

I hope you aren't trying to tell me that Kim is going to be Bobby Witt than either, because if not, again, there is no need to grab anything like a 2nd or 3rd tier player.  Again.  

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

What FAs did they sign in 2021 who were key contributers in 2024?  Looks to me like they went out and got the guys they needed immediately before the 24 season to compliment the guys they already had.

They lost 106 games in 2023! You would be having this same argument as a Royals fan last winter. “This team is nowhere near contending anytime soon, why waste resources on old guys like Hunter Renfroe, Seth Lugo, Will Smith, Garrett Hampson, and Michael Wacha?”

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I hope you aren't trying to tell me that Kim is going to be Bobby Witt than either, because if not, again, there is no need to grab anything like a 2nd or 3rd tier player.  Again.  

Kim is a 2nd or 3rd tier player like Luis Robert. Those are pretty valuable or so I’ve been told, very valuable.

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

They lost 106 games in 2023! You would be having this same argument as a Royals fan last winter. “This team is nowhere near contending anytime soon, why waste resources on old guys like Hunter Renfroe, Seth Lugo, Will Smith, Garrett Hampson, and Michael Wacha?”

The KC Royals had losing seasons going back to 2017.  They drafted Witt 2nd because they lost 103 games in 2019.    They drafted in the top 10 for six straight years because of how awful they had historically been.  They also went 12-1 against the worst team in the history of baseball.   Again, I would love too see the argument that the Sox are able to make up nearly 50 games in 2027 based on who they sign in 2024 with any kind of equivalency to how the Sox are similar.   Hell even if the Sox made up 30 games based on the absurdity of a middle tier SS this off season, they are still a 91 loss team!

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Kim is a 2nd or 3rd tier player like Luis Robert. Those are pretty valuable or so I’ve been told, very valuable.

Look if you think Kim is Bobby Witt level, I don't see any point to engaging with these absurdities.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The KC Royals had losing seasons going back to 2017.  They drafted Witt 2nd because they lost 103 games in 2019.    They drafted in the top 10 for six straight years because of how awful they had historically been.  They also went 12-1 against the worst team in the history of baseball.   Again, I would love too see the argument that the Sox are able to make up nearly 50 games in 2027 based on who they sign in 2024 with any kind of equivalency to how the Sox are similar.   Hell even if the Sox made up 30 games based on the absurdity of a middle tier SS this off season, they are still a 91 loss team!

I’m sure you had the Royals winning 86 games AND a playoff series in 2024. The argument you’re making now was made by many re: the royals last winter, I’m certain.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Look if you think Kim is Bobby Witt level, I don't see any point to engaging with these absurdities.

You’re an idiot. You’re the one comparing Colson Montgomery to Bobby Witt.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

41 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

People ripping you for wanting to add quality MLB talent to this team are wild. Worried about saving Jerry's money

It appears Jerry has done a good job convincing Sox fans that a sub $60M payroll is acceptable for a major market team. It’s sad. It hasn’t amounted to much success yet but at least the Cubs are signing guys like Swanson and Bellinger during the early days of their rebuild to field a competitive team. Must be nice.

Edited Saturday at 07:12 PM by JUSTgottaBELIEVE

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

You’re an idiot. You’re the one comparing Colson Montgomery to Bobby Witt.

So you have nothing but insults.  Cool, run along then.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So you have nothing but insults.  Cool, run along then.

Pot calling the kettle black, see ya