fathom Posted Thursday at 06:02 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:02 PM This also likely ends the Lux rumor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted Thursday at 06:05 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:05 PM 2 hours ago, Tony said: That requires money. And, desire.... If anything, they will trade Robert if they can get a return. At this point, the start of next year is going to be very bad, but it's expected with the lack of talent at the major league level. Things will gradually improve when they start to bring some of their better regarded prospects up, but there's no real need to give any multi-year deals right now to a team that's probably 2-3 years aways from being even close to average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Thursday at 06:06 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:06 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Quin said: Nicky Lopez+ Yep. I was hoping two Little Nicky’s would be enough for the Sox in Madrigal and Lopez. Now we have Rojas to fill the void. Other teams including the Cubs wanted Rojas as a utility guy, but he probably signed with the Sox because Getz told him he would have the starting 3B job. Even though this move won’t mean much in the grand scheme of things, it’s scary that it continues to show the type of players Getz values — crappy little infielders and outfielders that are as bad at baseball as he was. Edited Thursday at 06:06 PM by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted Thursday at 06:07 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:07 PM 1 hour ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Agreed if they want him at 2b. No need for that. But for 3b not sure Ramos should be up right away and Vargas shouldn't be there at all. So that can work. I tend to agree that signing all of these end-of-bench players are just not needed. I'm guessing they are meant to more or less, fill out the roster and provide some level of veteran leadership. Thankfully, they only do these on 1 year deals. I would have preferred a few 1 year deals for players that they could potentially trade later, but these guys do not have much value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted Thursday at 06:08 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:08 PM 13 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: It doesn’t seem like they’re going to see this to me? It seems like those guys are being gradually blocked. What seems likely is subject to your eyes. I'm perfectly willing to entertain your point of view. But rebuilds usually means youth movement and they have to find out rather quickly who can hit. Vargas and Sosa should be prioritized as the most likely bigger bats. Montgomery hopefully either wins a starting job or the Sox will want an extra year . You have to break it down player by player. Rojas alone can't block the whole infield .Sox need future hitting and Rojas isn't that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Thursday at 06:14 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:14 PM 9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: What seems likely is subject to your eyes. I'm perfectly willing to entertain your point of view. But rebuilds usually means youth movement and they have to find out rather quickly who can hit. Vargas and Sosa should be prioritized as the most likely bigger bats. Montgomery hopefully either wins a starting job or the Sox will want an extra year . You have to break it down player by player. Rojas alone can't block the whole infield .Sox need future hitting and Rojas isn't that. Again, doesn’t “they need to find out rather quickly who can hit” mean specifically that Rojas is in the way? As a veteran he will get at bats before Sosa and Vargas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Thursday at 06:17 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:17 PM (edited) 22 minutes ago, fathom said: This also likely ends the Lux rumor You mean the rumor that Harold kept mentioning that made zero sense to begin with considering the Sox would have to give up talent for a guy with only 2 years of control left? No s%*#, fathom! 😉 Edited Thursday at 06:22 PM by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted Thursday at 06:24 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:24 PM 2 hours ago, Eminor3rd said: Solid move, was gonna be tough to block all the infield prospects without an addition of some kind. Has a rebuilding team ever set out to become a halfway house for 30+ vets? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Thursday at 06:27 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:27 PM 5 minutes ago, Quin said: Has a rebuilding team ever set out to become a halfway house for 30+ vets? Look at the positives — if Rojas has a good first half, Getz can flip him for prospects like the ones he gave up for Booser and Gilbert! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Thursday at 06:29 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:29 PM 2 hours ago, Eminor3rd said: Solid move, was gonna be tough to block all the infield prospects without an addition of some kind. It’s absolutely wild. The only spot we have multiple prospects at is 2B & 3B and we just blocked them all. No fucking clue what we are doing here. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Thursday at 06:31 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:31 PM 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s absolutely wild. The only spot we have multiple prospects at is 2B & 3B and we just blocked them all. No fucking clue what we are doing here. Buying yourself some time so you don't bring Colson up immediately? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted Thursday at 06:31 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:31 PM 10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep. I was hoping two Little Nicky’s would be enough for the Sox in Madrigal and Lopez. Now we have Rojas to fill the void. Other teams including the Cubs wanted Rojas as a utility guy, but he probably signed with the Sox because Getz told him he would have the starting 3B job. Even though this move won’t mean much in the grand scheme of things, it’s scary that it continues to show the type of players Getz values — crappy little infielders and outfielders that are as bad at baseball as he was. Well It is scary but it's not because Getz values the type of player you think he does. Some posts you lay the blame where it belongs on JR and others it's like you forget that so far in 1.5 off seasons the biggest contract the Sox gave out was $7.5M per year for 2 years to Fedde. He's just trying to find value where he can. He knows most of the infielders among the ones that need to be given a chance to show they can hit are shaky defensively . I know 2.1 bWAR screams starting player in the Getz handbook and it may be that at first but I think he'll be a jack of all trades once May starts it's 3rd week. But if we still think 2 WAR is worth $7-8M for 1 WAR and the Sox gave him $4-6M for the season then maybe they got $10M+ in excess value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Thursday at 06:32 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:32 PM 29 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep. I was hoping two Little Nicky’s would be enough for the Sox in Madrigal and Lopez. Now we have Rojas to fill the void. Other teams including the Cubs wanted Rojas as a utility guy, but he probably signed with the Sox because Getz told him he would have the starting 3B job. Even though this move won’t mean much in the grand scheme of things, it’s scary that it continues to show the type of players Getz values — crappy little infielders and outfielders that are as bad at baseball as he was. Yeah, that's totally what he got in the Crochet deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Thursday at 06:32 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:32 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Buying yourself some time so you don't bring Colson up immediately? They can already do that with the guys they have. Baldwin can cover SS with Amaya as the backup (also DFA'd for Colson when he comes up). Edit: Rojas also hasn't played SS since 2021 and was negative there. Edited Thursday at 06:33 PM by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 06:33 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:33 PM 59 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Rojas made $3 million last year so this has to be for Nicky Lopez money right? Judging by numbers and previous experience, feels like a $3-5 million signing, maybe with an option for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted Thursday at 06:33 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:33 PM 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Look at the positives — if Rojas has a good first half, Getz can flip him for prospects like the ones he gave up for Booser and Gilbert! He probably can. Like, Rojas is a fine player. I just don't get the strategy of signing guys that won't add to the win column in any drastic way and only really block prospects that need playing time. Like god, I've dunked on Vargas plenty, but he needs playing time. So do Sosa, Baldwin and Amaya. These aren't minor league guys - they're all in the major leagues right now, on the 40-man. That's not even counting Colson and Ramos. Or the DeLoach/Fletcher/Colas trio that will now be blocked by Slater and Tauchman. "Vet leadership" did nothing last year and these guys won't be around for the next winning White Sox team, so why??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 06:38 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:38 PM 8 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Yeah, that's totally what he got in the Crochet deal. Agenda Uber Alles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 06:39 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:39 PM 4 minutes ago, Quin said: He probably can. Like, Rojas is a fine player. I just don't get the strategy of signing guys that won't add to the win column in any drastic way and only really block prospects that need playing time. Like god, I've dunked on Vargas plenty, but he needs playing time. So do Sosa, Baldwin and Amaya. These aren't minor league guys - they're all in the major leagues right now, on the 40-man. That's not even counting Colson and Ramos. Or the DeLoach/Fletcher/Colas trio that will now be blocked by Slater and Tauchman. "Vet leadership" did nothing last year and these guys won't be around for the next winning White Sox team, so why??? With as many complete unknows as we have, I am ok with guys like this sprinkled into the roster IF THEY ARE USED RIGHT*. *we all know they probably won't be used right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Thursday at 06:40 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:40 PM 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: With as many complete unknows as we have, I am ok with guys like this sprinkled into the roster IF THEY ARE USED RIGHT*. *we all know they probably won't be used right Would it also be THAT shocking if Baldwin is in Charlotte or something? It's not like he set the world on fire when he was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Thursday at 06:41 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:41 PM 5 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Buying yourself some time so you don't bring Colson up immediately? Rojas is not really a SS though. If you play him at 2B, you are blocking one of Sosa, Baldwin, or Meidroth. At 3B, he’s blocking Vargas, Ramos, & Sosa. Those are the only spots we have multiple young options that actually need playing time. Those five dudes are going to lose a lot of at-bats due to this signing. And I’m not trying to be a hater either. I didn’t dislike the Tauchman / Slater additions as none of Fletcher, DeLoach, or Colas have done enough in AAA to be handed an opportunity. That’s not the case with several of the guys mentioned above. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Thursday at 06:43 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:43 PM 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Rojas is not really a SS though. If you play him at 2B, you are blocking one of Sosa, Baldwin, or Meidroth. At 3B, he’s blocking Vargas, Ramos, & Sosa. Those are the only spots we have multiple young options that actually need playing time. Those five dudes are going to lose a lot of at-bats due to this signing. And I’m not trying to be a hater either. I didn’t dislike the Tauchman / Slater additions as none of Fletcher, DeLoach, or Colas have done enough in AAA to be handed an opportunity. That’s not the case with several of the guys mentioned above. I think Rojas plays enough positions around the diamond that the other guys will get plenty of playing time. If they want to start Amaya at SS for a month then that's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 06:43 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:43 PM 5 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Would it also be THAT shocking if Baldwin is in Charlotte or something? It's not like he set the world on fire when he was here. This dude seems to be a pretty bad SS defensively, so it would not be really surprising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Thursday at 06:43 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:43 PM Yeah I guess it's possible Baldwin is back at Charlotte to open the year, but then you need a placeholder at SS (unless Colson makes the team). Rojas isn't that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Thursday at 06:47 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:47 PM 3 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Sosa, Vargas and Ramos should be given every opportunity to play before a guy like Rojas. Hopefully it will play out that way Meidroth too. He just put up a 132 wRC+ over a full season in AAA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Moooton Posted Thursday at 06:47 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:47 PM 42 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep. I was hoping two Little Nicky’s would be enough for the Sox in Madrigal and Lopez. Now we have Rojas to fill the void. Other teams including the Cubs wanted Rojas as a utility guy, but he probably signed with the Sox because Getz told him he would have the starting 3B job. Even though this move won’t mean much in the grand scheme of things, it’s scary that it continues to show the type of players Getz values — crappy little infielders and outfielders that are as bad at baseball as he was. What the f*** are you going on about? Rojas is a an actual decent major league player, and the fact that teams with aspirations of contention wanted him should tell you he should have trade deadline value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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