Vaughn and Sox avoid arbitration: $5.85 million

[46DidIt]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

hahaha, ok man.  I guess you really need this.  Here you go.

I think you are WAY over simplifying this.  A 1B's bat isn't "undervalued".  It is placed in an appropriate context of a group of players from the same position.  Then adjustment is made recognizing that both offensive and defensive skills occur at different average amounts in different positions.  By this same argument a 1B's glove would also be "overvalued" because it is much easier to stand out defensively in a position that doesn't provide much defensive value.  The comparison to other positions isn't equal either, because if you took a SS and started playing them at 1B, then they would also see the same positional adjustments and their WAR would adjust accordingly.  You can't just take any minor leaguer and replace them.  That's not what this does.  It's a "replacement" player, not any player out on the street, and that replacement player has it's own definition.

 

Right and that definition is the expected production you would get from a minor league player that replaces him. Which would have theoretical result of .294 winning percentage team. Not the average production of actual major league bat at that position. If every team had Freddie Freeman at first, that doesn’t mean you could expect Freddie Freeman production by replacement. They would already be at majors at another position

[46DidIt]

I mean do you think one WAR first baseman like Bell get paid while 1.9 WAR second baseman like Yolmer get cut because GMs don’t understand WAR? Or could it possibly be they agree with me

[WestEddy]

42 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

i never even argued that positional adjustments weren’t valid, only that firstbaseman are undervalued in that system.which was essentially argument hoopster was making.

Hoopster made a bunch of arguments, one of which was that defensive ratings are subjective, which just isn't true. Read up on the MLB explanation of DRS, and you'll see it's a lot more comprehensive than somebody deciding a player could have caught a ball, or not. 

[WestEddy]

38 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

I would post a lot more often if I didn’t expect to be trolled by certain mods. I’d imagine that may have something to do with why 90% of posts are made by like 20 posters these days. But whatever, you enjoy yourself

While SS2k5 does get needlessly pithy, I've done some soul-searching, myself, while reading strings these last few months. 

WAR and defensive rankings are universally accepted methods of rating baseball players. Any "problem" you feel you have with their methods have already been argued by people who are way smarter than any of us, here. The people who have established them for Baseball-Prospectus and Fangraphs have already argued them out on their platforms. The undervaluing of 1B gets accounted for, oftentimes, in real time. Baseball-Reference has updated their model multiple times, which results in a reseeding of stats. 

Yes, 30 HRs at 1B may get lost at 1B, while 30 HR at SS is praised, but the ding in value often comes in defensive contributions. Pick two guys. Freddie Freeman, 1B, and Jackson Merrill, CF. They have wOBA's .011 points from each other, and their offensive score is 2.2 from each other. Merrill rates a 6.5 on defense, whereas Freeman is a -9.0. Merrill gets a 5.4 fWAR, Freeman gets a 4.2. While similar on offense, Merrill plays a harder position better, and Freeman plays an easy position below average. I'm not the best person to argue this, as I'm not a mathematician who knows this stuff inside out. 

So it's great that you decide to have a problem with WAR. It's okay to state that, have a few volleys, then move on. Otherwise, it turns into pages of "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is".....

[southsider2k5]

27 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

I mean do you think one WAR first baseman like Bell get paid while 1.9 WAR second baseman like Yolmer get cut because GMs don’t understand WAR? Or could it possibly be they agree with me

Yolmer Sanchez didn't get cut as a 2.0 WAR player.  He got cut when he was replacement level player after both his offense and defense fell off, probably mainly due to health.

[caulfield12]

41 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yolmer Sanchez didn't get cut as a 2.0 WAR player.  He got cut when he was replacement level player after both his offense and defense fell off, probably mainly due to health.

That was peak Yolmer…like comparing Eaton 1 and 2 with the Sox, two totally different players.  Well, minus the Gatorade baths.

[oldsox]

55 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yolmer Sanchez didn't get cut as a 2.0 WAR player.  He got cut when he was replacement level player after both his offense and defense fell off, probably mainly due to health.

and his arb payout got a little pricey.