Chris Getz on the REKAP podcast

[southsider2k5]

35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

But I can point to actual people Getz has brought into the org.  Who did Hahn bring in from the outside in key positions?

Well Getz for starters.  Paddy, Shirley, Haber, Hostetler also come to mind right away.

[Tony]

5 hours ago, TaylorStSox said:

The only thing to believe is whether you think Getz process is sound. Both his process and philosophy are very sound imo. Whether that results in wins down the road has yet to be seen, but being strictly results driven is generally bad business. Also, blaming Getz for Ken Williams and Rick Hahn is just silly.

 

4 hours ago, TaylorStSox said:

Some of us understand processes are more important than outcomes. Outcomes are are the result of processes. We're privy to Getz organizational processes and they've been excellent. He's completely overhauling the organization and it's going to take some time. 

So using this logic (using that term pretty fast and loose here, I’ll admit that), are you saying that because you’ve agreed with the “process” Getz has gone through as Head of Baseball Ops for the White Sox, if the “outcome” of his rebuild doesn’t result in sustained success, everything is good?  

Put another way, in 6 years from now, if Getz has a GM record of 243-729, but we all look back at the hires he made in 2024 and 2025 and the “process” he has described, you’ll be happy? 

[WhiteSox2023]

3 hours ago, TaylorStSox said:

That's wildly creepy.

Wildy wrong, like you have been for your SoxTalk career.  🤣

TaylorStSoxApologist.

[WhiteSox2023]

8 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

So using this logic (using that term pretty fast and loose here, I’ll admit that), are you saying that because you’ve agreed with the “process” Getz has gone through as Head of Baseball Ops for the White Sox, if the “outcome” of his rebuild doesn’t result in sustained success, everything is good?  

Put another way, in 6 years from now, if Getz has a GM record of 243-729, but we all look back at the hires he made in 2024 and 2025 and the “process” he has described, you’ll be happy? 

[Chicago White Sox]

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Well Getz for starters.  Paddy, Shirley, Haber, Hostetler also come to mind right away.

Hostetler & Shirley were in our amateur scouting department before Hahn became GM.  Paddy was hired by KW before Hahn became GM.  Haber’s first baseball role was with the Sox 12 years ago.

You’re right on Getz…but that’s basically it.

[TaylorStSox]

21 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

So using this logic (using that term pretty fast and loose here, I’ll admit that), are you saying that because you’ve agreed with the “process” Getz has gone through as Head of Baseball Ops for the White Sox, if the “outcome” of his rebuild doesn’t result in sustained success, everything is good?  

Put another way, in 6 years from now, if Getz has a GM record of 243-729, but we all look back at the hires he made in 2024 and 2025 and the “process” he has described, you’ll be happy? 

It's not always going to work out and then you move on, but every success comes from identifying a winning philosophy and process. I'm of the opinion that Getz is doing the right things to get it started. He's overhauling the organization, getting people he believes are the right ones in key positions, trusting their judgement and still focusing on building strong relationships in the industry. This is just generally good business and I'm impressed by what he's done so far. Even if it fails, the process and philosophy are sound. It's still a tough business and there's going to need to be a lot of luck along the way.

[TaylorStSox]

25 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Wildy wrong, like you have been for your SoxTalk career.  🤣

TaylorStSoxApologist.

Luckily I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. It's among the best traits one can have.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

10 hours ago, TaylorStSox said:

It's not always going to work out and then you move on, but every success comes from identifying a winning philosophy and process. I'm of the opinion that Getz is doing the right things to get it started. He's overhauling the organization, getting people he believes are the right ones in key positions, trusting their judgement and still focusing on building strong relationships in the industry. This is just generally good business and I'm impressed by what he's done so far. Even if it fails, the process and philosophy are sound. It's still a tough business and there's going to need to be a lot of luck along the way.

Impressed. Unbelievable.

I used to wonder how these MBA's pulled the cloak over people's eyes.

Chris Getz just lost the most games in MLB history. He lost 20+ more games than any other season we've ever had. He could manufacture the biggest single season turnaround in MLB history by 5 wins (40 more wins than the year prior) and they still wouldn't get over 500.

He also is about to run a payroll out there that is lowest the organization has had since 2004! 21 years ago! The league has TRIPLED it's revenues since 2004.

But hey, he gives you some basic business school type of answer and you're impressed. The only impressive thing Chris Getz is doing is lining the pockets of ownership.

There are rules in place to prevent the small market A's from spending at the levels the White Sox are spending. Think about that for a second. That's beyond disgustingly embarrassing.

Edited yesterday at 11:32 AM by Look at Ray Ray Run

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

10 hours ago, TaylorStSox said:

Luckily I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. It's among the best traits one can have.

You've been calling everyone overly negative for the past three years.

In fact, when I search your name with the word "wrong" what is returned is about 100 posts of you telling others they're wrong while never once saying you were wrong. When people attack you for never being wrong, you say "I'm wrong all the time," but there's zero record of you saying you were actually wrong.

[WhiteSox2023]

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Impressed. Unbelievable.

I used to wonder how these MBA's pulled the cloak over people's eyes.

Chris Getz just lost the most games in MLB history. He lost 20+ more games than any other season we've ever had. He could manufacture the biggest single season turnaround in MLB history by 5 wins (40 more wins than the year prior) and they still wouldn't get over 500.

He also is about to run a payroll out there that is lowest the organization has had since 2004! 21 years ago! The league has TRIPLED it's revenues since 2004.

But hey, he gives you some basic business school type of answer and you're impressed. The only impressive thing Chris Getz is doing is lining the pockets of ownership.

There are rules in place to prevent the small market A's from spending at the levels the White Sox are spending. Think about that for a second. That's beyond disgustingly embarrassing.

Well said.  Ultimately performance and results matter.  If a high level executive of a company makes a decision that completely tanks their business, no one is going to say, “aw shucks, his process was sound but it just didn’t go his way!”  Ridiculous.

[southsider2k5]

4 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Impressed. Unbelievable.

I used to wonder how these MBA's pulled the cloak over people's eyes.

Chris Getz just lost the most games in MLB history. He lost 20+ more games than any other season we've ever had. He could manufacture the biggest single season turnaround in MLB history by 5 wins (40 more wins than the year prior) and they still wouldn't get over 500.

He also is about to run a payroll out there that is lowest the organization has had since 2004! 21 years ago! The league has TRIPLED it's revenues since 2004.

But hey, he gives you some basic business school type of answer and you're impressed. The only impressive thing Chris Getz is doing is lining the pockets of ownership.

There are rules in place to prevent the small market A's from spending at the levels the White Sox are spending. Think about that for a second. That's beyond disgustingly embarrassing.

 

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

You've been calling everyone overly negative for the past three years.

In fact, when I search your name with the word "wrong" what is returned is about 100 posts of you telling others they're wrong while never once saying you were wrong. When people attack you for never being wrong, you say "I'm wrong all the time," but there's zero record of you saying you were actually wrong.

Oh damn.

[caulfield12]

Hahn fans used that whole "the rebuild prospects were certainly solid/impressive, the process was usually sound...it just didn't work out because his hands were tied by JR" excuse for years and years.

Now we see the exact same thing with Getz...especially now that the farm is ranked 4th or whatever.

But KW hardly had any message board "stans" and yet had one of the best runs as GM from 2000-2012 of any Sox GM since the late 80s/early 90s and going back to the 50s-60s.

[TaylorStSox]

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Hahn fans used that whole "the rebuild prospects were certainly solid/impressive, the process was usually sound...it just didn't work out because his hands were tied by JR" excuse for years and years.

Now we see the exact same thing with Getz...especially now that the farm is ranked 4th or whatever.

But KW hardly had any message board "stans" and yet had one of the best runs as GM from 2000-2012 of any Sox GM since the late 80s/early 90s and going back to the 50s-60s.

Hahn did a fantastic job accumulating talent, but failed to have any organizational philosophy, roster cohesion and didn't continue to build and develop infrastructure. The beginning of his rebuild was A+ though.

[TaylorStSox]

5 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Impressed. Unbelievable.

I used to wonder how these MBA's pulled the cloak over people's eyes.

Chris Getz just lost the most games in MLB history. He lost 20+ more games than any other season we've ever had. He could manufacture the biggest single season turnaround in MLB history by 5 wins (40 more wins than the year prior) and they still wouldn't get over 500.

He also is about to run a payroll out there that is lowest the organization has had since 2004! 21 years ago! The league has TRIPLED it's revenues since 2004.

But hey, he gives you some basic business school type of answer and you're impressed. The only impressive thing Chris Getz is doing is lining the pockets of ownership.

There are rules in place to prevent the small market A's from spending at the levels the White Sox are spending. Think about that for a second. That's beyond disgustingly embarrassing.

None of that is Getz fault. Getz took over a franchise in the worst shape possible, the absolute worst. Turning Crochet into a highly valuable asset and getting 4 legit prospects for him is the most important move he's made this far.

[TaylorStSox]

5 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

You've been calling everyone overly negative for the past three years.

In fact, when I search your name with the word "wrong" what is returned is about 100 posts of you telling others they're wrong while never once saying you were wrong. When people attack you for never being wrong, you say "I'm wrong all the time," but there's zero record of you saying you were actually wrong.

Nobody's "attacking" me. It's a message board. Relax.

[GREEDY]

22 hours ago, TaylorStSox said:

He didn't sidestep the question at all. He said he values continuity, Bannister and Katz are kind of a package deal and that he thinks MLB has it wrong with the high turnover of hitting coaches. He did the opposite of sidestepping. 

Why did he fire all of the coaches that weren't under contract then?  

He kept anyone under contract and replaced anyone who wasn't.  

You can get fooled by Hahn 2.0 all you want but it is ONLY about preserving the few million it would have cost to replace them.  

[WestEddy]

10 minutes ago, GREEDY said:

Why did he fire all of the coaches that weren't under contract then?  

He kept anyone under contract and replaced anyone who wasn't.  

You can get fooled by Hahn 2.0 all you want but it is ONLY about preserving the few million it would have cost to replace them.  

He got rid of Grifol's guys. 

[Lip Man 1]

4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Well said.  Ultimately performance and results matter.  If a high level executive of a company makes a decision that completely tanks their business, no one is going to say, “aw shucks, his process was sound but it just didn’t go his way!”  Ridiculous.

In the business model you talk about more often than not the executive who's decision tanked the company gets his ass fired unceremoniously, not kept around or kicked upstairs which is what the Sox usually have done. 

[TaylorStSox]

2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

In the business model you talk about more often than not the executive who's decision tanked the company gets his ass fired unceremoniously, not kept around or kicked upstairs which is what the Sox usually have done. 

Whose

[oldsox]

4 hours ago, TaylorStSox said:

None of that is Getz fault. Getz took over a franchise in the worst shape possible, the absolute worst. Turning Crochet into a highly valuable asset and getting 4 legit prospects for him is the most important move he's made this far.

Lets see how this looks in 9 months.  We gave up a guy who could very well be the best pitcher in the league.

[WestEddy]

59 minutes ago, oldsox said:

Lets see how this looks in 9 months.  We gave up a guy who could very well be the best pitcher in the league.

When Hahn was trading for top 5 in the game prospects, I'm wondering how well guys like Eloy and Yoan were scouted. Teel and Montgomery were scouted by the FO group that has not embarrassed themselves in the last few years, amateur scouting. 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

When Hahn was trading for top 5 in the game prospects, I'm wondering how well guys like Eloy and Yoan were scouted. Teel and Montgomery were scouted by the FO group that has not embarrassed themselves in the last few years, amateur scouting. 

We've cut 75% of our scouts and didn't even evaluate well at least half the pitchers we let go during the season for mostly junk or simply eating contracts.

We sold low on Cease...or were forced to dump him by JR.

We didn't objectively win more than 15-20% of the trades consummated so far.

Our best asset in Fedde at the deadline was probably wasted on Vargas.

Only the Crochet return looks solid...but how that trade turns out, especially Montgomery and the #1 pick in 2026, really determines how this rebuild goes eventually.

[WestEddy]

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

We've cut 75% of our scouts and didn't even evaluate well at least half the pitchers we let go during the season for mostly junk or simply eating contracts.

We sold low on Cease...or were forced to dump him by JR.

We didn't objectively win more than 15-20% of the trades consummated so far.

Our best asset in Fedde at the deadline was probably wasted on Vargas.

Only the Crochet return looks solid...but how that trade turns out, especially Montgomery and the #1 pick in 2026, really determines how this rebuild goes eventually.

I'm not sure where you're going with this. My point was that the only scouting group that seems to have had success in the last few years is the amateur scouting for the draft. They probably had full work-ups on Teel and Montgomery. 

It has been discussed previously that Eloy's goofball tendencies were probably known in the Cubs org, and they were happy to include him in the Quintana deal, just as Boston held onto Devers and let Yoan go. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

7 hours ago, TaylorStSox said:

None of that is Getz fault. Getz took over a franchise in the worst shape possible, the absolute worst. Turning Crochet into a highly valuable asset and getting 4 legit prospects for him is the most important move he's made this far.

No, actually Getz took over a team who won 20+ more games. 

It's hilarious to watch people pretend there's no difference between a 40 win team and a 60 win team and somehow that 20 additional losses were the creation of Rick hahn.Hahn.

No one would ever excuse someone taking over a 100 win team and turning them into an 80 win team so no idea why 60 to 40 should be any different. Actually even worse imo.

Edited 13 hours ago by Look at Ray Ray Run

[GreenSox]

Around the 13 minute mark he talks about how he's honest with other GMs about players and their makeup, but that the other GMs haven't always been forthright with him in return .....but he seems to comfort himself with the idea that it will catch up with those GMs in the long run (even though that wouldn't do a thing to make the Sox whole).

That is some naivete that he's got to grow out of fast.  

I'm not surprised by this.  He was obviously swindled by the Dodgers/Cardinals.  I wish the interviewers had asked about that specific transaction.