Snopek Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: It’s scary how reminiscent their rebuild path is following the most recent white Sox rebuild. From the Kittredge thread: 2 hours ago, Snopek said: The Elias quote about Grayson is giving off real Rick Hahn circa 20-21 vibes. ”If everyone stays completely healthy and reaches their 99th percentile outcome, it won’t matter that we didn’t make any bigger signings.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Yep, which is why the Sox need to start shopping from the upper tier of free agents instead of the bargain bin. Orioles are pulling a white Sox and shopping from the bargain bin. It’s scary how reminiscent their rebuild path is following the most recent white Sox rebuild. Without their farm system, and those players being in place at the MLB level, we are still YEARS behind them even in a best case scenario. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Without their farm system, and those players being in place at the MLB level, we are still YEARS behind them even in a best case scenario. Cool story but neither franchise is winning anything of importance if they continue shopping in the bargain bin for free agents so who cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Without their farm system, and those players being in place at the MLB level, we are still YEARS behind them even in a best case scenario. Yep. The Orioles at least have players that have actually panned out in the majors. We are sitting here hoping that our first wave of prospects actually will. And we all know that top prospects always pan out in the majors, just like the Sox first rebuild… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 10 minutes ago, Snopek said: From the Kittredge thread: Yea, yikes. Elias even sounding like Hahn now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Cool story but neither franchise is winning anything of importance if they continue shopping in the bargain bin for free agents so who cares We all do apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Yep, which is why the Sox need to start shopping from the upper tier of free agents instead of the bargain bin. Orioles are pulling a white Sox and shopping from the bargain bin. It’s scary how reminiscent their rebuild path is following the most recent white Sox rebuild. This isn't happening until they have new owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: We all do apparently. I lose more and more interest each year with Jerry as owner. I have zero expectations for this franchise winning a pennant until he’s gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, Quin said: This isn't happening until they have new owners. I can’t argue that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 14 minutes ago, Snopek said: From the Kittredge thread: Famous last words, and that totally sounds like Hahn. ”If our entire roster stays healthy all season and has a great season, we’ll win a lot of games!!!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Famous last words, and that totally sounds like Hahn. ”If our entire roster stays healthy all season and has a great season, we’ll win a lot of games!!!” To be clear, my quote is just snarky paraphrasing of what Elias actually said about Grayson, but the essence is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 19 minutes ago, Snopek said: From the Kittredge thread: I do think Grayson has a good chance of being in the Cy Young conversation this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 56 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am all for pointing and laughing at the O's. I got a lot of joy out of watching them go 0-5 in the past 2 postseasons. And they still don't have the pitching to compete in the playoffs. But let's also take a step back and realize how good of a position player foundation they have. They may not have a top tier farm anymore, but when you have Gunnar Henderson, and Jackson Holliday, and Jordan Westberg, and Adley Rutschman, and Cody Mayo, and Heston Kjerstad, and Colton Cowser - do you really need an elite farm system? That team is going to be good for a long time. They have no quality starting pitching other than Grayson Rodriguez and refuse to spend money to get difference makers in the rotation. They are going to piss away their window because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 25 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I lose more and more interest each year with Jerry as owner. I have zero expectations for this franchise winning a pennant until he’s gone. You know, removing the Goose Island statue in 2022 can honestly be considered the first open act of JR “Killing the golden goose” literally and figuratively 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I do think Grayson has a good chance of being in the Cy Young conversation this season. Fully agree. It’s just that passive approach of ‘we already have a potential ace so we don’t need to seek one out’ that bugs me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 13 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said: They have no quality starting pitching other than Grayson Rodriguez and refuse to spend money to get difference makers in the rotation. They are going to piss away their window because of that. Eflin is underrated by most...and there's this player named Gunnar Henderson who very might well be an MVP if not for Witt/Judge. That can make up for a lot of shortcomings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Eflin is underrated by most...and there's this player named Gunnar Henderson who very might well be an MVP if not for Witt/Judge. That can make up for a lot of shortcomings. As they say, pitching wins championships. I don’t think Baltimore has enough of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 15 minutes ago, Snopek said: Fully agree. It’s just that passive approach of ‘we already have a potential ace so we don’t need to seek one out’ that bugs me. A page straight out of the White Sox playbook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said: As they say, pitching wins championships. I don’t think Baltimore has enough of that. The Hangout is convinced Pablo Lopez, Framber, Luis Castillo, Cease or a Pirates starter not named Skenes is there for prospects that they are shockingly overvaluing again. Or counting on Sasaki...but even most Padres' fans seem to be scared of the Dodgers at this point. I'd suspect it would require Dean, Mouncastle and Povich. That'd be a lot to give up but Pablo is a very solid Top 2 in your rotation guy. Edited January 10 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Eflin is underrated by most...and there's this player named Gunnar Henderson who very might well be an MVP if not for Witt/Judge. That can make up for a lot of shortcomings. Completely agree on Eflin. Tough to say they don't have any quality guys but yeah, they should be going for more stability than 41-year old Charlie Morton and an unknown in 35-year old rookie Sugano. By my count, they've only really got 3 starters, depending on how those older guys do. Edited January 10 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Completely agree on Eflin. Tough to say they don't have any quality guys but yeah, they should be going for more stability than 41-year old Charlie Morton and an unknown in 35-year old rookie Sugano. By my count, they've only really got 3 starters, depending on how those older guys do. Kremer Povich Suarez as fifth for now...they did lose Irvin and Means, but doing the traditional KW Deadline flirtation seems to be the preference, rather than ocercommitting money before the season has even started. All depends on keeping Rodriguez healthy across a full season...and him taking that next step like Skubal or Crochet last year. Edited January 10 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Eflin is underrated by most...and there's this player named Gunnar Henderson who very might well be an MVP if not for Witt/Judge. That can make up for a lot of shortcomings. Not when he goes 0-7 in a 2 game playoff series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 (edited) 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Not when he goes 0-7 in a 2 game playoff series. This is like dinging Frank Thomas for the 2000 playoffs against the Mariners. Witt was terrible against the Yankees, for example. It happens to even the best players, like Judge as well in the WS...or Soto. Or when Edman and Lux might outplay Betts and Ohtani enough to... Edited January 10 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: This is like dinging Frank Thomas for the 2000 playoffs against the Mariners. Witt was terrible against the Yankees, for example. It happens to even the best players, like Judge as well in the WS...or Soto. Or when Edman and Lux might outplay Betts and Ohtani enough to... My point isn't that Henderson is now bad, it's that offense does go on a 2 day vacation while you still need top level starting pitching in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: My point isn't that Henderson is now bad, it's that offense does go on a 2 day vacation while you still need top level starting pitching in the playoffs. Ironically, the starting pitching isn't even why they lost in the postseason in 2024. Granted, that may not be the case if they advanced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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