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So, after Lenyn Sosa had that great September, really seeming to have put it together (.373 - .398 OBP - .566 SLG - .964 OPS). 

I just thought that the White Sox would finally have a clear answer (or at least clear leading candidate) for 2B going into spring training. I thought things looked good, but I admit it was a small sample size, but I have to believe that's the best month the Sox have gotten from a 2nd basemen in a loooong time. 

Well, I'm not really seeing that on this board that people see him as the starting 2B next year, and I'm really not getting that from the Sox podcast I've been listening to: (Garfien, REKAP, and FutureSox).  All three of the podcasts seem to think there's a strong possibility/ likelihood that Meidroth with his excellent OBP skills will leave spring training as the Sox starting 2B. These podcasts state that Meidroth did it for an entire AAA season and now he's ready for the majors. 

I just find this interesting. It seems to strike me as 2nd-String quarterback syndrome (that the unknown guy has to be better than who we have). Yes, the Sox need people who finally make pitchers work and can get on base, but don't they also need power. Yes, they absolutely need power, so why is one strength, taking walks, more valuable than what looks like (he had 4 in September) 15 to 20 home runs in 2025.   

I just don't get this. Is it defense? How is a year at AAA a more telling sign than a good month in the majors? Is Meidroth better than Sosa on D. Is he or is it that 2nd string quarterback thing again? Just curious what people think. I just want to be talking Sox baseball. 

 

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  On 1/22/2025 at 6:39 PM, vilehoopster said:

So, after Lenyn Sosa had that great September, really seeming to have put it together (.373 - .398 OBP - .566 SLG - .964 OPS). 

I just thought that the White Sox would finally have a clear answer (or at least clear leading candidate) for 2B going into spring training. I thought things looked good, but I admit it was a small sample size, but I have to believe that's the best month the Sox have gotten from a 2nd basemen in a loooong time. 

Well, I'm not really seeing that on this board that people see him as the starting 2B next year, and I'm really not getting that from the Sox podcast I've been listening to: (Garfien, REKAP, and FutureSox).  All three of the podcasts seem to think there's a strong possibility/ likelihood that Meidroth with his excellent OBP skills will leave spring training as the Sox starting 2B. These podcasts state that Meidroth did it for an entire AAA season and now he's ready for the majors. 

I just find this interesting. It seems to strike me as 2nd-String quarterback syndrome (that the unknown guy has to be better than who we have). Yes, the Sox need people who finally make pitchers work and can get on base, but don't they also need power. Yes, they absolutely need power, so why is one strength, taking walks, more valuable than what looks like (he had 4 in September) 15 to 20 home runs in 2025.   

I just don't get this. Is it defense? How is a year at AAA a more telling sign than a good month in the majors? Is Meidroth better than Sosa on D. Is he or is it that 2nd string quarterback thing again? Just curious what people think. I just want to be talking Sox baseball. 

 

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He was by far the best-looking player on that sorry squad in September. I would have to think he'll get a shot in spring training

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Well, ask the White Sox.

They had him playing 2b last year. This offseason they have since traded for a guy who also plays 2b and 3b who already spent a full year at AAA, and then signed a veteran who also plays, get this, 2b and 3b. That's on top of Vargas, who they tried to make into a 3b but who seems somewhat positionless. 

It sure seems like the people saying he doesn't deserve to start are the ones signing veterans at the same positions as him.

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  On 1/22/2025 at 6:59 PM, Balta1701 said:

Well, ask the White Sox.

They had him playing 2b last year. This offseason they have since traded for a guy who also plays 2b and 3b who already spent a full year at AAA, and then signed a veteran who also plays, get this, 2b and 3b. That's on top of Vargas, who they tried to make into a 3b but who seems somewhat positionless. 

It sure seems like the people saying he doesn't deserve to start are the ones signing veterans at the same positions as him.

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Still would have preferred that Keashcall trade. Has played up the middle in CF, SS, and 2B and has some time until he is needed on the 40-man so no immediate crunch to get him playing time. 

Vargas just really doesn't fit anywhere (also, why I thought they should move him to 1B while non-tendering Vaughn).

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  On 1/22/2025 at 7:30 PM, Bob Sacamano said:

Still would have preferred that Keashcall trade. Has played up the middle in CF, SS, and 2B and has some time until he is needed on the 40-man so no immediate crunch to get him playing time. 

Vargas just really doesn't fit anywhere (also, why I thought they should move him to 1B while non-tendering Vaughn).

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Sosa isn't an exceptionally thoughtful fielder. Fangraphs and UZR seem to like him more as a 3B than a 2B. Maybe his range is limited (he's considered a slightly below average base-runner). I think he definitely starts in the 3B/DH mix. I can't see a 99 RC+ Andrew Vaughn being asked back for 2026, so maybe Sosa gravitates towards 1B with Vargas? 

Between 2B, 3B and DH, there will be enough PAs for Vargas, Sosa, Meidroth and Rojas. 

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  On 1/22/2025 at 7:59 PM, WestEddy said:

Sosa isn't an exceptionally thoughtful fielder. Fangraphs and UZR seem to like him more as a 3B than a 2B. Maybe his range is limited (he's considered a slightly below average base-runner). I think he definitely starts in the 3B/DH mix. I can't see a 99 RC+ Andrew Vaughn being asked back for 2026, so maybe Sosa gravitates towards 1B with Vargas? 

Between 2B, 3B and DH, there will be enough PAs for Vargas, Sosa, Meidroth and Rojas. 

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League wide, the average 2b in 2024 had an OPS of .678, while the average 1b was at .726, so the offensive requirements of 1b are a lot higher.

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No love for Sosa because he was good for one month.  The rest of the time he has played, he has been weak in the field and corkscrews himself into the ground at the plate trying to hit 500 foot dongs like Juan “Tasmanian Devil” Uribe.

But this roster is a giant suckfest so Sosa should get every opportunity to play a lot of games.

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  On 1/22/2025 at 8:47 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

No love for Sosa because he was good for one month.  The rest of the time he has played, he has been weak in the field and corkscrews himself into the ground at the plate trying to hit 500 foot dongs like Juan “Tasmanian Devil” Uribe.

But this roster is a giant suckfest so Sosa should get every opportunity to play a lot of games.

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Torpedo boat!

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The Sox have about 17 guys for three positions (2B, 3B, SS) and a bench spot or two.  It will be interesting to see who floats to the top.  Sosa should have the inside track if he can prove that September wasn't a fluke.  Spring training should be interesting, at least.

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SHORTSTOPS

1. Gunnar Henderson, BAL (Last year: No. 6 3B)
2. Corey Seager, TEX (1)
3. Francisco Lindor, NYM (2)
4. Bobby Witt Jr., KC (9)
5. Mookie Betts, LAD (No. 1 2B)
6. Dansby Swanson, CHC (4)
7. Carlos Correa, MIN (7)
8. Elly De La Cruz, CIN (NR)
9. Willy Adames, SF (8)
10. Trea Turner, PHI (5)

 

Witt's like a 10 fWAR guy and not even Top 3...second in AL MVP voting, etc.

White Sox have to at least aim for league average, which is still going to be at least a 3-4 fWAR guy.

source:  mlb.com

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  On 1/23/2025 at 12:14 PM, caulfield12 said:

SHORTSTOPS

1. Gunnar Henderson, BAL (Last year: No. 6 3B)
2. Corey Seager, TEX (1)
3. Francisco Lindor, NYM (2)
4. Bobby Witt Jr., KC (9)
5. Mookie Betts, LAD (No. 1 2B)
6. Dansby Swanson, CHC (4)
7. Carlos Correa, MIN (7)
8. Elly De La Cruz, CIN (NR)
9. Willy Adames, SF (8)
10. Trea Turner, PHI (5)

 

Witt's like a 10 fWAR guy and not even Top 3...second in AL MVP voting, etc.

White Sox have to at least aim for league average, which is still going to be at least a 3-4 fWAR guy.

source:  mlb.com

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Swanson at 6 is a little crazy. I will note only Henderson and De La Cruz are not making a gazillion dollars, so I would keep expectations down about the Sox getting to league average any time soon. It’s Coldon or bust.

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  On 1/22/2025 at 9:23 PM, hogan873 said:

The Sox have about 17 guys for three positions (2B, 3B, SS) and a bench spot or two.  It will be interesting to see who floats to the top.  Sosa should have the inside track if he can prove that September wasn't a fluke.  Spring training should be interesting, at least.

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Again, this is why we shouldn't have wasted so many ABs on guys who weren't going to be here.  Get rid of them and start to figure out who you have that could have value.

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  On 1/23/2025 at 3:18 PM, southsider2k5 said:

Again, this is why we shouldn't have wasted so many ABs on guys who weren't going to be here.  Get rid of them and start to figure out who you have that could have value.

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And they will continue to do so with Rojas. I get it you are adding guys who can actually bring back something at the trade deadline, but a guy like Josh Rojas is going to have limited trade value.

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  On 1/23/2025 at 3:20 PM, Bob Sacamano said:

And they will continue to do so with Rojas. I get it you are adding guys who can actually bring back something at the trade deadline, but a guy like Josh Rojas is going to have limited trade value.

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JR:  Don't you forget about my favorite acquisition, Mr Considerations.  Cash Considerations.

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