WhiteSox2023 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/25/2025 at 1:39 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yes I'm fine. I moved out of Altadena where I lived for 15 years, 7 years ago to Pasadena maybe 3 miles away from the fires in Altadena. I knew people whose houses burned down as did my old Apt. building , my old job site and the grocery store I still shopped at. On the baseball side I'm not worried that Rojas will see more time at SS than anyone. Anyone of 5 guys if you dare to count Sosa among the shortstops could be the OD SS . Who gets the bulk of time at SS is anyone's guess . Meidroth seems the most ready but is not a true SS but neither is anyone else they have. While you accuse the Sox you're the one who omitted Meidroth from your SS candidates and it was the Sox who in the press conference included him. Expand From reading about Lord Meidroth’s scouting reports, it really sounds like he would fit better at 2B than SS. Which is fine. Even if his defense is average at 2B, his bat may make him a 3-4 WAR player. Mini-Pedroia perhaps? Did @Chicago White Sox buy his jersey yet? Edited January 25 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:39 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yes I'm fine. I moved out of Altadena where I lived for 15 years, 7 years ago to Pasadena maybe 3 miles away from the fires in Altadena. I knew people whose houses burned down as did my old Apt. building , my old job site and the grocery store I still shopped at. Expand My old apartment building missed stuff that burned by about 6 blocks, I don't know about all the other shops and stuff but I think I knew the grocery stores that were lost too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:42 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: From reading about Lord Meidroth’s scouting reports, it really sounds like he would fit better at 2B than SS. Which is fine. Even if his defense is average at 2B, his bat may make him a 3-4 WAR player. Mini-Pedroia perhaps? Did @Chicago White Sox buy his jersey yet? Expand While I try not to take guesses among the mishmash of candidates from 3rd through 1st on the infield I think Sosa gets 1st shot at 2nd base just because he may be the most likely to hit MLB pitching just by late season hitting and off season hitting in Venezuela and he's out of options ,which is about as useful as Colson Montgomery's AFL stats. But it's better than sucking. There's so many guys I want to see do well but they need to step up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 2:43 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: While I try not to take guesses among the mishmash of candidates from 3rd through 1st on the infield I think Sosa gets 1st shot at 2nd base just because he may be the most likely to hit MLB pitching just by late season hitting and off season hitting in Venezuela and he's out of options ,which is about as useful as Colson Montgomery's AFL stats. But it's better than sucking. There's so many guys I want to see do well but they need to step up. Expand Yeah, it's like next man up. Sosa and Vargas are on the clock. Sh*t or get off the pot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/25/2025 at 2:43 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: While I try not to take guesses among the mishmash of candidates from 3rd through 1st on the infield I think Sosa gets 1st shot at 2nd base just because he may be the most likely to hit MLB pitching just by late season hitting and off season hitting in Venezuela and he's out of options ,which is about as useful as Colson Montgomery's AFL stats. But it's better than sucking. There's so many guys I want to see do well but they need to step up. Expand I feel like Montgomery profiles better at 3B and could be our next Robin if he gets stronger. Lord Meidroth at 2B. That leaves SS as the question mark. I’m not buying into one hot month from Sosa and Gonzalez is likely a bust. Edited January 25 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 3:05 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: I feel like Montgomery profiles better at 3B and could be our next Robin if he gets stronger. Lord Meidroth at 2B. That leaves SS as the question mark. I’m not buying into one hot month from Sosa and Gonzalez is likely a bust. Expand Haven’t you heard? Meidroth is a shortstop now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 3:05 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: I feel like Montgomery profiles better at 3B and could be our next Robin if he gets stronger. Lord Meidroth at 2B. That leaves SS as the question mark. I’m not buying into one hot month from Sosa and Gonzalez is likely a bust. Expand But you can't just dismiss Sosa. Logically he should get the 1st shot at 2nd with Meidroth at SS even though he'd have to be added to the roster. If Vargas had a last month like Sosa I'd be a lot happier about him too. Hitting MLB pitching isn't easy .Hitting across the league was down significantly in 2024. Plus you don't have as many late season pitching call-ups skewing late season offensive numbers as you once did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 3:53 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: But you can't just dismiss Sosa. Logically he should get the 1st shot at 2nd with Meidroth at SS even though he'd have to be added to the roster. If Vargas had a last month like Sosa I'd be a lot happier about him too. Hitting MLB pitching isn't easy .Hitting across the league was down significantly in 2024. Plus you don't have as many late season pitching call-ups skewing late season offensive numbers as you once did. Expand You may be right but I’m still not banking on a dude who looks completely clueless in the majors, outside of one month. His minor league stats aren’t crazy good either. Lord Meidroth will make him an afterthought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 4:52 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: You may be right but I’m still not banking on a dude who looks completely clueless in the majors, outside of one month. His minor league stats aren’t crazy good either. Lord Meidroth will make him an afterthought. Expand I'm certainly not banking on anyone. That's why almost all these guys play multiple positions. Sosa's minor league history shows a pattern of starting off levels slow and then adjusting. Of course in the minors he got consistent playing time necessary to adjust.Since MLB is the highest level in the world and playing time needs to be earned and not just given he took longer to adjust.That's the theory I'm going with. When the whole team can't hit their way out of a paper bag you look for any signs of life you can unless you prefer to live in utter despair as a fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 (edited) https://www.soxprospects.com/players/meidroth-chase.htm Just no indication he's a major league SS. Not when you're lacking in both range and arm strength. Edited January 25 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:42 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: From reading about Lord Meidroth’s scouting reports, it really sounds like he would fit better at 2B than SS. Which is fine. Even if his defense is average at 2B, his bat may make him a 3-4 WAR player. Mini-Pedroia perhaps? Did @Chicago White Sox buy his jersey yet? Expand So I was at SoxFest last night and got in line for the meet and greet at 7:45 and there was Chase with his skeevy stoner locks free flowing. There was only four people in front of me when I entered the line and almost within seconds they rushed him and Braden Montgomery out. Literally the meet and greet was supposed to go to 8:00, so my dream of getting a picture with him was crushed and I was enraged at being scammed. You don’t promise Meidroth and then pull a bait and switch on my emotions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/25/2025 at 11:49 AM, caulfield12 said: https://www.soxprospects.com/players/meidroth-chase.htm Just no indication he's a major league SS. Not when you're lacking in both range and arm strength. Expand What he lacks in this those areas he makes up with TWTW. He’s not a guy you want playing SS long-term, but he could hold down the fort for a month or two. He is a very smooth / reliable defender who his pitchers like behind him. Edited January 25 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I haven't seen Meidroth play, but my guess is if you don't think he can handle SS at the big league level you won't think very highly of Colson at short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:24 PM, mac9001 said: I haven't seen Meidroth play, but my guess is if you don't think he can handle SS at the big league level you won't think very highly of Colson at short. Expand The reality here is that Rojas is by far the best candidate despite not having played the position at the big league level for the better part of four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:14 PM, Chicago White Sox said: So I was at SoxFest last night and got in line for the meet and greet at 7:45 and there was Chase with his skeevy stoner locks free flowing. There was only four people in front of me when I entered the line and almost within seconds they rushed him and Braden Montgomery out. Literally the meet and greet was supposed to go to 8:00, so my dream of getting a picture with him was crushed and I was enraged at being scammed. You don’t promise Meidroth and then pull a bait and switch on my emotions. Expand What was the vibe around Braden in your brief almost interaction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:24 PM, mac9001 said: I haven't seen Meidroth play, but my guess is if you don't think he can handle SS at the big league level you won't think very highly of Colson at short. Expand The hope was that a top 30 prospect might be able to hit well enough there that his defensive shortcomings would be overwhelmed. While Meidroth gets on base, his 7 home runs last year wouldn’t overcome defensive shortcomings at SS, he’d have to at least be an average fielder there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:17 PM, Chicago White Sox said: What he lacks in this those areas he makes up with TWTW. He’s not a guy you want playing SS long-term, but he could hold down the fort for a month or two. He is a very smooth / reliable defender who his pitchers like behind him. Expand 2022: “we don’t want Vaughn in the Of long term but he could hold down the fort there this year.” December 2023: “You can’t blame Katz for that pitching staff when the defense was so bad. Look, we are going to add TWTW and improve the defense. This will help the pitching and make this a place where people will come as free agents to play in front of that better defense and with our leaders.” Jan 25: “This guy has TWTW and can hold down the fort at shortstop for a few months.” December 2025: “sure the pitching staff disappointed this year but you can’t blame Katz and Bannister when the defense was so bad. But, this is why we had to pay a premium price for a defense first SS like _____. Putting this kind of defense out there will help the pitchers develop this heat and help us sign better free agents who want to play in front of this defense.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 5:51 PM, Balta1701 said: 2022: “we don’t want Vaughn in the Of long term but he could hold down the fort there this year.” December 2023: “You can’t blame Katz for that pitching staff when the defense was so bad. Look, we are going to add TWTW and improve the defense. This will help the pitching and make this a place where people will come as free agents to play in front of that better defense and with our leaders.” Jan 25: “This guy has TWTW and can hold down the fort at shortstop for a few months.” December 2025: “sure the pitching staff disappointed this year but you can’t blame Katz and Bannister when the defense was so bad. But, this is why we had to pay a premium price for a defense first SS like _____. Putting this kind of defense out there will help the pitchers develop this heat and help us sign better free agents who want to play in front of this defense.” Expand Comparing a guy who made 49 starts at SS last year (the most at any spot for him) being a temporary fill-in at SS for the Sox to when Rick Hahn forced a 1B into the OF is quite the take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 3:02 PM, caulfield12 said: What was the vibe around Braden in your brief almost interaction? Expand Seemed like a fun, super confident kid. Obviously the size and physical ability stands out when you see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2025 at 11:49 AM, caulfield12 said: https://www.soxprospects.com/players/meidroth-chase.htm Just no indication he's a major league SS. Not when you're lacking in both range and arm strength. Expand We're not talking about a lifetime here Caulfield.we're talking about to open the season . Right now there aren't any quick fixes if you're trying to pin the position on someone permanently. If Montgomery starts the season in minors your options are Meidroth, Baldwin, Rojas and maybe Sosa. Pick your poison. I'm taking Meidroth because the guy knows how to get on base so I'm expecting him to open the season at SS leading off unless the Sox are facing a LHP. Then maybe Baldwin unless he's not on the OD 26. Who makes the 26 is also a bone of contention. Total mystery . I'm not sure a one of us can predict the OD infield unless we know who the SP pitcher is going to be and even then it's a crap shoot .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2025 at 5:59 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Seemed like a fun, super confident kid. Obviously the size and physical ability stands out when you see him. Expand I saw an interview with McGuffey. He looked like a giant next to McGuffey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2025 at 5:57 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Comparing a guy who made 49 starts at SS last year (the most at any spot for him) being a temporary fill-in at SS for the Sox to when Rick Hahn forced a 1B into the OF is quite the take. Expand Seriously. He's doing his famous I'll put quotes around stuff I made up to make it look like I'm quoting someone in the Sox front office. There were a lot of people in Soxtalk at the time who were madly in love with Vaughn and wanted him to get PT no matter what and were really angry with me for suggesting just because he played an adequate LF in a limited sample size that he will eventually be exposed because he couldn't run and that he didn't need to be in the lineup as much as he was especially against RHP early in the season that 1st year. I don't know if him playing 1st base in the minors more would've helped him or not. It's not like the Sox have been known to find ways to improve many prospects hitting abilities nor defense for that matter. Maybe they just draft poorly but again hitting a baseball consistently well is still the hardest thing in sports. You need a discerning eye and to somehow control your quick twitch impulses or natural ability that got you very far to begin with but make u swing at hard breaking stuff that ends up out of the zone and makes you look stupid and has fans screaming why is he swinging at that ? Especially when many times when you're behind in a count and you're telling yourself , here it comes down and away , and they still whiff at it. Robert, Jr. still goes through long droughts where he looks like an A baller trying to hit MLB pitching with no pitch or count recognition or cognitive thinking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2025 at 4:45 PM, Balta1701 said: The hope was that a top 30 prospect might be able to hit well enough there that his defensive shortcomings would be overwhelmed. While Meidroth gets on base, his 7 home runs last year wouldn’t overcome defensive shortcomings at SS, he’d have to at least be an average fielder there. Expand Except Meidroth actually had a very good year at AAA whereas Montgomery did not and appears to be more ready. Sometimes it's hard to know what you are arguing. If we were all saying Montgomery should get the 1st chance at SS you'd be saying he was forced up and playing out of position . If Rojas gets PT you think he's blocking someone and he's not good at SS . I'd like to know what u think about who should play where and when ,not just taking shots are our feeble attempts to figure out who's going to play where and when. It's easy to be right when you say this won't work when you have a bunch of young guys who all have flaws who all play multiple positions and, as of yet ,we have no idea who'll be able to hit. Take your best guess like the rest of us. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 7:43 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Except Meidroth actually had a very good year at AAA whereas Montgomery did not and appears to be more ready. Sometimes it's hard to know what you are arguing. If we were all saying Montgomery should get the 1st chance at SS you'd be saying he was forced up and playing out of position . If Rojas gets PT you think he's blocking someone and he's not good at SS . I'd like to know what u think about who should play where and when ,not just taking shots are our feeble attempts to figure out who's going to play where and when. It's easy to be right when you say this won't work when you have a bunch of young guys who all have flaws who all play multiple positions and, as of yet ,we have no idea who'll be able to hit. Take your best guess like the rest of us. Expand I would like for Chris Getz to un-sign Rojas and sign one of the 3 or 4 cheaper guys I listed a couple pages ago who have much more recent experience playing shortstop at an adequate level. Or alternatively, for Chris Getz to be smarter in general in the future and recognize areas on his roster that are deeper and areas that are not, which apparently he is massively struggling with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) No idea where to put this, but Vargas looked noticeably thicker on Friday night when they introduced all the players. It was the one thing that caught my eye and I saw Sox Machine comment on it as well. That obviously doesn’t impact if or where he should play defensively, but the added muscle should hopefully help with the bat and provide some reason for optimism. Edited January 26 by Chicago White Sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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