caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 9:17 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Like who needs to establish themselves and who would he be blocking ? NRI's rarely make the ML team out of spring training especially a guy barely pitched last year who never really overcame his control problem but had nasty K ability at the expense of his control and shoulder. They don't seem like they are in any hurry to add a bunch of young guys to the 40 just yet. If they can flip 4 older relief pitchers at the deadline they'll do it. Which ones get the shot I have no idea. It's going to be a revolving door. You pitch well, you stick, if not , try someone else. If Robert fails in the 1st half getting much of anything at the TDL will be difficult .If you add a bunch of young relief pitchers to the 40 or 26 and they succeed you won't want to trade them . You want to trade the older ones you're picking up off the scrap heap. Maybe you can get a DSL SS . Expand Sure, but you spend legit money on someone like Chapman and you can end up with Cole Ragans...who has been even more impactful than even Crochet on AL Central fortunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Like most FA signings, I say to myself: Who? OTOH I certainly don't expect any household names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Is he the guy that hit Abreu in the helmet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 2:45 PM, The Grinder said: Like most FA signings, I say to myself: Who? OTOH I certainly don't expect any household names Expand As Sox fans, we know who this guy is. When sticky stuff was banned, he dropped off dramatically. However, he got better again…maybe slyly using sticky stuff again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 2:45 PM, The Grinder said: Like most FA signings, I say to myself: Who? OTOH I certainly don't expect any household names Expand You should know this guy unless you didn’t watch them play Cleveland when the Sox were good a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 1:42 PM, JoshPR said: While I don't mind this pickup Sox should have looked at Pedro Avila who was DFAed by the guards a week ago. Had good numbers Expand Ex-Padres...no can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 3:19 PM, hogan873 said: As Sox fans, we know who this guy is. When sticky stuff was banned, he dropped off dramatically. However, he got better again…maybe slyly using sticky stuff again. Expand The real fun of it was he was called out on the air by Steve Stone, who would now have to call his games and even be on the cramped team plane with him if he was ever called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) On 1/26/2025 at 4:23 PM, Balta1701 said: The real fun of it was he was called out on the air by Steve Stone, who would now have to call his games and even be on the cramped team plane with him if he was ever called up. Expand Is that worse than another season of Clevinger...Perez and Scholtens maybe Iriarte are the best options for #5 if Thorpe can't go to start the season. Burke has had less than a handful of starts as well. Edited January 26 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 4:26 PM, caulfield12 said: Is that worse than another season of Clevinger...Perez and Scholtens maybe Iriarte are the best options for #5 if Thorpe can't go to start the season. Burke has had less than a handful of starts as well. Expand No it is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) On 1/26/2025 at 4:26 PM, caulfield12 said: Is that worse than another season of Clevinger...Perez and Scholtens maybe Iriarte are the best options for #5 if Thorpe can't go to start the season. Burke has had less than a handful of starts as well. Expand 2024 saw the White Sox leave ST with about 2.5 starting pitchers. For the upcoming season, we already have 7-10 options on the big club, or in AAA. There is no gaping void in the rotation that Clevenger might fill. I'm not sure why you're even bringing him up. Karinchak is an idiot. He's not on the odious level of a child abuser. Added: As Scholtens returns from TJS, I doubt he does anything before June. Edited January 26 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) On 1/26/2025 at 4:35 PM, WestEddy said: 2024 saw the White Sox leave ST with about 2.5 starting pitchers. For the upcoming season, we already have 7-10 options on the big club, or in AAA. There is no gaping void in the rotation that Clevenger might fill. I'm not sure why you're even bringing him up. Karinchak is an idiot. He's not on the odious level of a child abuser. Added: As Scholtens returns from TJS, I doubt he does anything before June. Expand I feel like I've heard this for about half my lifetime as a fan. There's depth, and then there's quality depth. There is a discernible difference. Get past Cannon, Martin, Wilson, Burke and Perez (who probably needs a playoff race for motivation)...who's the next best option? Maybe Iriarte, Shuster or Nastrini? None of those names above provides a Top 1-2-3 in a rotation profile...other than maybe Burke or Iriarte stuff-wise. Prelander Berroa would be a huge stretch to push into the rotation...but at least there's upside/potential. Remember, we can't count on Schultz or Smith for next season, period. Nor Grant Taylor. Edited January 26 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 4:50 PM, caulfield12 said: I feel like I've heard this for about half my lifetime as a fan. There's depth, and then there's quality depth. There is a discernible difference. Get past Cannon, Martin, Wilson, Burke and Perez (who probably needs a playoff race for motivation)...who's the next best option? Maybe Iriarte, Shuster or Nastrini? None of those names above provides a Top 1-2-3 in a rotation profile...other than maybe Burke or Iriarte stuff-wise. Prelander Berroa would be a huge stretch to push into the rotation...but at least there's upside/potential. Remember, we can't count on Schultz or Smith for next season, period. Nor Grant Taylor. Expand Obviously, there's a difference. The Sox are rebuilding, this isn't a surprise. I'm not sure why you're throwing shade on Perez. Weird that you're picking on the one Hispanic guy in the rotation. You have 5 guys who are penciled into the OD rotation. Shane Smith is a possibility for starts. Thorpe has "discomfort", so until he's put on the IL, I'll count him. Iriarte, Wikelman, Nastrini, Bush. Last year, you really had 5 options, and one wasn't ready to start the season. I'll say this year you have 7 realistic options, and one might be down. There is nobody in the Sox' top 10 options that Clevenger is worth replacing. Chris Flexen's still out there if somebody comes up short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 5:02 PM, WestEddy said: Obviously, there's a difference. The Sox are rebuilding, this isn't a surprise. I'm not sure why you're throwing shade on Perez. Weird that you're picking on the one Hispanic guy in the rotation. You have 5 guys who are penciled into the OD rotation. Shane Smith is a possibility for starts. Thorpe has "discomfort", so until he's put on the IL, I'll count him. Iriarte, Wikelman, Nastrini, Bush. Last year, you really had 5 options, and one wasn't ready to start the season. I'll say this year you have 7 realistic options, and one might be down. There is nobody in the Sox' top 10 options that Clevenger is worth replacing. Chris Flexen's still out there if somebody comes up short. Expand Dude listed 12 names in his post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 5:05 PM, southsider2k5 said: Dude listed 12 names in his post. Expand I'm not understanding. Cannon, Martin, Perez, Wilson and Burke seem like the likeliest 5 contenders for the rotation. I don't think Schultz, Hagen Smith or Grant Taylor are realistic candidates for the OD roster. I've not heard Berroa being discussed as a starter, and I think they like Shuster in long relief. Iriarte and Nastrini are both kind of "next man up", as is Ky Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 1:43 PM, caulfield12 said: Sure, but you spend legit money on someone like Chapman and you can end up with Cole Ragans...who has been even more impactful than even Crochet on AL Central fortunes. Expand What part of not spending legit money don't u understand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 3:46 PM, caulfield12 said: Ex-Padres...no can do. Expand I'm i missing something here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2025 at 8:12 PM, JoshPR said: I'm i missing something here? Expand Well obviously Clevinger, Thorpe and now Perez. Just a joke about how SD guys struggle with the Sox (Hill for example) but excel when going the other direction (Cease), or to another team. Marinara Sauce might very well be the next find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/26/2025 at 8:50 PM, caulfield12 said: Just a joke about how SD guys struggle with the Sox (Hill for example) but excel when going the other direction (Cease), or to another team. Expand Petty sure it also applies to the other 28 teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/25/2025 at 8:45 PM, Balta1701 said: Wasn't he one of the obvious sticky stuff guys who fell apart right after the ban? Expand No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/26/2025 at 8:50 PM, caulfield12 said: Well obviously Clevinger, Thorpe and now Perez. Just a joke about how SD guys struggle with the Sox (Hill for example) but excel when going the other direction (Cease), or to another team. Marinara Sauce might very well be the next find. Expand Clevinger had a great year post Padres stint. Thorpe literally never pitched even in the minors for the Padres. Perez has literally never pitched for the White Sox. I'm not sure that holds up there caulfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/27/2025 at 4:55 PM, Buehrle>Wood said: Clevinger had a great year post Padres stint. Thorpe literally never pitched even in the minors for the Padres. Perez has literally never pitched for the White Sox. I'm not sure that holds up there caulfield. Expand Forget it. He's rolling. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/27/2025 at 4:55 PM, Buehrle>Wood said: Clevinger had a great year post Padres stint. Thorpe literally never pitched even in the minors for the Padres. Perez has literally never pitched for the White Sox. I'm not sure that holds up there caulfield. Expand And Cease was also good here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/27/2025 at 4:55 PM, Buehrle>Wood said: Clevinger had a great year post Padres stint. Thorpe literally never pitched even in the minors for the Padres. Perez has literally never pitched for the White Sox. I'm not sure that holds up there caulfield. Expand Clevinger could also never stay consistently healthy enough to be trade worthy...if someone would actually assume that PR risk. SD was elated to get out from under that trade/contract. "Great" is pushing it...better than expected. And we paid him twice or three times as much as we are willing to pay FA starters as of today. The larger point is SD hardly gives away starters that amount to much, ultimately. Quantrill might be the very best in the last decade. Relievers are a totally different story, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/25/2025 at 9:41 PM, Balta1701 said: No, but we used to think of things like this as trivializing the holocaust. Expand How many brains do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/26/2025 at 3:06 PM, BrittBurnsFan said: Is he the guy that hit Abreu in the helmet? Expand Solid signing imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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