WBWSF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/29/2025 at 9:37 PM, Lip Man 1 said: JR has no intention, zero of spending significant money to improve the team. I tend to agree with those who feel he is cutting it to the bone so his family can sell it quickly still making a tremendous amount of money. I'll repeat what I was told by a long time member of the front office, "All JR wants to do now is leave as much money as possible to his family and grand kids..." Sucks to be a Sox fan doesn't it??????? Expand It is certainly not a pleasant thing being a White Sox fan now. I try not taking it too seriously. The ownership is content with this losing situation and there's nothing White Sox fans can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 (edited) On 1/29/2025 at 10:59 PM, WestEddy said: Nope. I love following a successful rebuild. See you at the parade. Expand Brilliant quote, Hahn. Might actually require more than two playoff victories in six or seven attempts though. You do realize the Guardians and Twins aren't far behind the Sox minor league system and they're already pretty good RIGHT now at the major league level? Detroit has a fine farm system, the best pitcher in baseball and the seemingly willingness to spend more money. And a playoff series victory under their belts? KC has Witt Jr and an actual big league starting rotation. Edited January 29 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/29/2025 at 10:52 PM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Yea because the prospect of playing in a minor league stadium this season is super attractive for a free agent. Expand Would you choose a minor league stadium playing for a major league team, or major league stadium playing for a minor league team? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 On 1/29/2025 at 11:57 PM, JoeC said: Would you choose a minor league stadium playing for a major league team, or major league stadium playing for a minor league team? Expand Going from Top 3-4 attendance in baseball and a party every night to bottom 2-3 crowds will end up with sad Vargas face disillusionment lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2025 at 11:51 PM, caulfield12 said: Brilliant quote, Hahn. Might actually require more than two playoff victories in six or seven attempts though. You do realize the Guardians and Twins aren't far behind the Sox minor league system and they're already pretty good RIGHT now at the major league level? Detroit has a fine farm system, the best pitcher in baseball and the seemingly willingness to spend more money. And a playoff series victory under their belts? KC has Witt Jr and an actual big league starting rotation. Expand I'm not sure where you're going with this, and I have a feeling you agree with me on that. Other teams having good farm systems doesn't negate the Sox stepping up and updating their methods. KC and Detroit have sucked for a decade. They better have good farm systems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2025 at 10:59 PM, WestEddy said: Nope. I love following a successful rebuild. See you at the parade. Expand Famous last words from a bad GM. I seem to remember him using the plural “parades” as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2025 at 11:57 PM, JoeC said: Would you choose a minor league stadium playing for a major league team, or major league stadium playing for a minor league team? Expand Honestly, the Sox but it’s close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2025 at 11:07 PM, The Beast said: I want to better understand what the goal is. Is the goal to move the team? Is it to turn over the roster to new prospects and the new way of doing things? It would kind of suck if they are not spending just to move even though I guess I’d understand why. I hope they have exhausted all options within their price range to improve the roster so as to flip players at the deadline. Of course Feddes don’t grow on trees and the old way of rebuilding isn’t possible anymore. And they have already traded away 2 of 3 blue chip players on the roster (if Robert still is considered one) so they are almost out of shots in the arm and need to develop. Expand Fortunately I answered that question already like my next post after the one you quoted. It's a slow and painful process that's unlikely to work to a high degree of satisfaction to anyone and then when JR passes away who knows what happens ? That's the best way I can explain it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) On 1/29/2025 at 10:59 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Who the heck wants them to suck worse than last year? Expand No one.Why would you ask me that ? I'm not advocating for that. I'm just telling you what's going on . I thought it was pretty obvious if you follow the whole situation closely enough.I know not everyone does. That was sarcasm about playing the kids and suck as much as last year to illustrate the point that there are a lot of different opinions about what do do because of dissatisfaction with the results so far from Getz. Some peoples reaction to that is just play the kids .Why block them with Rojas ? Why spend money on Tauchman and Slater ? Why trade youth for fringy arms ? My sarcastic reaction to that is if you do that you will suck as bad as last year. There's no doubt the plan is to be better than last year.Hopefully it'll succeed but I doubt it'll be much of an improvement. After all they do want the best shot at #1 pick in the draft. During the 1st rebuild the Sox always did just enough not to be the worst team in baseball so they never got a #1 or even a #2. With the anti tanking rules that changed the draft order it's more imperative now that the Sox get a 1 or 2 pick. Edited January 30 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Why are we complaining about the Sox having a low payroll. They’re trying to suck, they should have a low payroll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) On 1/30/2025 at 1:16 AM, Boopa1219 said: Why are we complaining about the Sox having a low payroll. They’re trying to suck, they should have a low payroll. Expand The 'We' is a handful of posters that can't or refuse to see the forest from the trees. Edited January 30 by Tnetennba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/30/2025 at 1:16 AM, Boopa1219 said: Why are we complaining about the Sox having a low payroll. They’re trying to suck, they should have a low payroll. Expand Caulfield just liked to stir the pot. Doing his best I'm a teacher and this is how to get some discussion on Soxtalk. He should be a mod.He does more during the bad times to keep this place afloat than anyone . It's baseball talk at least.Better than telling everyone to quit carrying water or childish sexual analogies for attempting to have some optimism for Getz' plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2025 at 10:41 PM, caulfield12 said: Not as much as Hays...but we still don't have an everyday SS in sight. He has a 3ish fWAR by late July and he's an?incredibly valuable community on the trade market compared to a deJong. "The deal, which will pay Kim $13 million this season, is the most Tampa Bay has guaranteed in free agency for a position player since signing outfielder Greg Vaughn for four years and $34 million in 1999. Before the partial tear of his right labrum required surgery, Kim was expected to land a free agent deal in the nine-figure range. With his opt-out, he can join a free agent class next year that's thin on infielders, with shortstop Bo Bichette and second baseman Luis Arraez the only players of Kim's caliber." https://global.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/43614016/sources-ha-seong-kim-rays-agree-2-year-29m-deal Expand How is he going to be a 3ish win player by July if he misses two to three months like you just said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) On 1/30/2025 at 2:26 AM, Chicago White Sox said: How is he going to be a 3ish win player by July if he misses two to three months like you just said? Expand He followed that up with an update that said something up him coming back in May. Still probably not enough time to get 3ish WAR even if he comes back at his best which seems doubtful. Maybe it was it another thread .I know there are 2 similar ones. The other one is another thread about being 21st in spending the last 2 years started by Caulfield also. Edited January 30 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 (edited) On 1/30/2025 at 2:26 AM, Chicago White Sox said: How is he going to be a 3ish win player by July if he misses two to three months like you just said? Expand TB newspaper is touting an early to mid May return. Time will tell who's right. If he was on fire for two straight months and let's say the Dodgers suffered an injury at SS or 2B, they would jump at the chance after watching the defensive impact he made (alone) for three seasons against them, although the 2023 offense might turn out to be his career peak. Edited January 30 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 On 1/30/2025 at 2:14 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Caulfield just liked to stir the pot. Doing his best I'm a teacher and this is how to get some discussion on Soxtalk. He should be a mod.He does more during the bad times to keep this place afloat than anyone . It's baseball talk at least.Better than telling everyone to quit carrying water or childish sexual analogies for attempting to have some optimism for Getz' plan. Expand Over Kyle's dead body lol . Actually, studying the rest of baseball and fantasy sports makes the rest of the teams a LOT more interesting to follow. Like wondering how the possible best position prospect in baseball came out of GA Tech as a mere fourth founder and flew up the charts with a former Driveline savant's whisperings in his ear. That actually provides a little more faith now in guys like Teel and Braden if the Sox don't somehow mess them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/30/2025 at 1:16 AM, Boopa1219 said: Why are we complaining about the Sox having a low payroll. They’re trying to suck, they should have a low payroll. Expand 1. This low of spending could easily be them saving up to move the team. 2. More than half of this spending has been moronic, with Getz bringing in his precious field generals for the great leadership of 2024 or blocking players because he doesn’t understand the needs of his roster. The spending has been poor. 3. There would actually be an opportunity here to build for the future if we targeted guys who were tradeable. Take advantage of the low payroll and use it to accumulate talent. Sign guys coming off injury or down years to 1 year deals with options, sign a couple of relievers to 1 year deals. Trade away any at the deadline you can - look what “shot through the garage Chapman” did for the Royals. Instead we are trading away 18 year olds to bring in 32 year old pitchers with career 1.5 whip numbers in the minors or 22 year old pitchers away for nontender candidates and those have taken up all the available roster spots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 (edited) On 1/30/2025 at 4:07 AM, Balta1701 said: 1. This low of spending could easily be them saving up to move the team. 2. More than half of this spending has been moronic, with Getz bringing in his precious field generals for the great leadership of 2024 or blocking players because he doesn’t understand the needs of his roster. The spending has been poor. 3. There would actually be an opportunity here to build for the future if we targeted guys who were tradeable. Take advantage of the low payroll and use it to accumulate talent. Sign guys coming off injury or down years to 1 year deals with options, sign a couple of relievers to 1 year deals. Trade away any at the deadline you can - look what “shot through the garage Chapman” did for the Royals. Instead we are trading away 18 year olds to bring in 32 year old pitchers with career 1.5 whip numbers in the minors or 22 year old pitchers away for nontender candidates and those have taken up all the available roster spots. Expand Iguchi total unknown Pods down year AJ clubhouse pariah in SF Dye/Thome injured Contreras run out of NY Everett run out of nearly everywhere but Texas Uribe Rockies gave up on Marte/Thornton caught in roster shuffles was going to be released by Pitt/Seattle Jenks/Santos unwanted by Angels/DBacks G.Santos was one of the few recent "career rehabilitation" successes and we might have blown that trade as well, unless Berror can turn his control issues around. Edited January 30 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Also have to consider the QO side of this with Boras/Rays...he's now the most expensive player on their roster, with Lowe second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 (edited) Some Rays season ticket members “have been upset” that comparable seats to what they had at Tropicana Field are “going to cost them more -- in some cases more than double” -- at the team’s 2025 interior 11,000+ seat home at Steinbrenner Field, according to Marc Topkin of the TAMPA BAY TIMES. Some of the upset fans have “just said no” (the team allowed memberships to be paused for the season), cut back on the number of season tickets or have “given up seats close to the field for less-expensive options.” https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/01/22/tampa-bay-rays-ticket-price-hike Edited January 30 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/30/2025 at 4:06 AM, caulfield12 said: Over Kyle's dead body lol . Actually, studying the rest of baseball and fantasy sports makes the rest of the teams a LOT more interesting to follow. Like wondering how the possible best position prospect in baseball came out of GA Tech as a mere fourth founder and flew up the charts with a former Driveline savant's whisperings in his ear. That actually provides a little more faith now in guys like Teel and Braden if the Sox don't somehow mess them up. Expand Keep my name out of your posts. Argue your bs on your own 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 On 1/30/2025 at 2:16 PM, Kyyle23 said: Keep my name out of your posts. Argue your bs on your own Expand Okay, Will Smith...decent impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I keep reading the title of this thread as the Rays partnering with the Pixies' bassist Kim Deal to boost payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I do give credit to Getz for doing the best under the circumstances. And perhaps the rebuild will work, but it is going to take a hell of a long time. But even if the rebuild works, the team will have to spend on free agents or spend through trades. No team builds a winner on young players only. In better days, Bill Veeck did leave a corp of developing talent. Then Reinsdorf and Einhorn added proven veterans. Luzinski, Fisk, Bannister, Koosman. Now they had a ball club. The result was 99 wins in 1983. It was a team that should have won the World Series. The losing has not been a recent development. Since winning the division in 2008, this team has had almost no success. I don't have great confidence at the moment. And even if the winning eventually starts, I think this tanking is absurd. You don't have to be this bad to be good. The team should, at least, avoid losing 100 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/30/2025 at 2:21 PM, caulfield12 said: Okay, Will Smith...decent impression. Expand Your attempts to get others to engage in arguments on your behalf sucks ass. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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