caulfield12 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/8/2025 at 3:35 AM, Balta1701 said: Tauchman and Slater as a RF platoon isn’t bad, although it’s darn confusing that Getz would trade for a RF, get at least a tiny bit of hope from his defense, and block them. Drury - he’s on a minor league deal. These weak prospects in the system are likely to shuffle up and down a few times, and some of them (Monty) have legit injury worries. It maybe steals some spring training time, but he might even be released by May. Rojas is clearly there as the starting 2b to provide wins and valuable veteran leadership, while also ensuring that Sosa and Meidroth are in other teams soon enough. Expand Is Rojas actually better at second than third? It seems that the only position Vargas could play decently in second…but then that also blocks Sosa/Meidroth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/8/2025 at 4:12 AM, caulfield12 said: Is Rojas actually better at second than third? It seems that the only position Vargas could play decently in second…but then that also blocks Sosa/Meidroth. Expand Most of the advance stats say he’s been moderately below average at 3b and inconsistent but about average at 2b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/8/2025 at 4:16 AM, Balta1701 said: Most of the advance stats say he’s been moderately below average at 3b and inconsistent but about average at 2b. Expand Just hard to believe a player described as a “beast/Gold Glove candidate” at third would get moved to second… At third, he blocks maybe Vargas/Ramos/Montgomery…but at second he blocks Sosa/Meidroth/Vargas and maybe Baldwin. For now, I guess we have to assume Baldwin or Amaya win the SS job for at least the opening month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/8/2025 at 12:40 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Exactly. Even if you get a fluke first half from Drury, he isn’t netting you much in a trade. This just takes at bats away from a young guy. Pointless. This is just more of Kenny and Hahn and hoping for lightning in a bottle from a scrub veteran. At least they cost nothing, but it’s embarrassing at this point. Expand What's your plan to make the team good again without spending money ? This might be the last year to hope to catch lightning in a bottle with some usable 1st halves. And yes again its not much of a plan , just like last year, but they are gathering up plenty of bodies to throw into the mix and try to increase the odds depth.I'm thinking 2nd half of the season will be mostly youth. Plenty of these guys will be outrighted and maybe even have productive years with other teams just like that 40 yr old reliever you got bent out of shape about. Honestly when you're choosing among a bunch of rejects its pretty difficult to know who to keep and give legitimate shots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/8/2025 at 3:25 AM, caulfield12 said: So the plan is to play Rojas, Drury, Tauchman/Slater in order to accomplish what exactly? Expand Wow NRI already made the team and now it's a plan. You know the plan without or without Drury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 4:07 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Wow NRI already made the team and now it's a plan. You know the plan without or without Drury. Expand If Drury looks really good in spring training...are they really going to choose Sosa or Meidroth over him? Or DH at-bats? Maybe Vargas gets priority unless he still looks totally discombobulated in the spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 4:07 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Wow NRI already made the team and now it's a plan. You know the plan without or without Drury. Expand Dude, a once recently good player for the minimum? You know he’s likely to make the roster for this cheap ass team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 4:11 AM, caulfield12 said: If Drury looks really good in spring training...are they really going to choose Sosa or Meidroth over him? Or DH at-bats? Maybe Vargas gets priority unless he still looks totally discombobulated in the spring. Expand Sosa and Vargas both should get long looks because they are out of options. You can't send them down unless they clear waivers . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 4:48 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Dude, a once recently good player for the minimum? You know he’s likely to make the roster for this cheap ass team. Expand Hasnt happened yet. Truth or not ? Your crystal ball is irrelevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 6:29 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Hasnt happened yet. Truth or not ? Your crystal ball is irrelevant. Expand Sox history says I’ll be right. But keep defending this clown show if that’s your prerogative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Drury seems like a decent enough of a flip candidate. Realistically, the guys he’d be “blocking” aren’t going to be part of the next contention window, anyways, so I don’t really see the big fuss there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) On 2/9/2025 at 6:52 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Sox history says I’ll be right. But keep defending this clown show if that’s your prerogative. Expand I'm not even defending anything. I'm just saying I don't think an NRI makes the team. Why so defensive. Every time you call me naive I've been right and you've been wrong . Sox history ?? Sox history of what ?? An NRI infielder making the team ? In the last 3 years can you give me the history of every NRI position player and which of them made the team ?? Mike Moustaskas last year umm nooo. Edited February 9 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/8/2025 at 4:16 AM, Balta1701 said: Most of the advance stats say he’s been moderately below average at 3b and inconsistent but about average at 2b. Expand He was 4th in DRS last year amongst all 3B. He’s far more likely to be our 3B than our 2B, although he probably gets some playing time at both spots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) On 2/9/2025 at 2:51 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I'm not even defending anything. I'm just saying I don't think an NRI makes the team. Why so defensive. Every time you call me naive I've been right and you've been wrong . Sox history ?? Sox history of what ?? An NRI infielder making the team ? In the last 3 years can you give me the history of every NRI position player and which of them made the team ?? Mike Moustaskas last year umm nooo. Expand Yes, you are always right. Just like when you kept harping that the Sox would get more for Crochet in a trade if they provided a window for a contract extension, even though he was already under contract for two more years. Yeah, that obviously never happened. Edited February 9 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 6:45 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Yes, you are always right. Just like when you kept harping that the Sox would get more for Crochet in a trade if they provided a window for a contract extension, even though he was already under contract for two more years. Yeah, that obviously never happened. Expand What does any of that have to do with the Sox' "history" of NRIs making the 25/26 man roster because they're cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 5:30 PM, Chicago White Sox said: He was 4th in DRS last year amongst all 3B. He’s far more likely to be our 3B than our 2B, although he probably gets some playing time at both spots. Expand The M's had higher hopes for his bat, but his glove at 3B kept him in the lineup every day despite the lack of production at the plate. He is likely the best defensive option the Sox have at 3B, at least to start the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 I'm not upset about Drury, but a lot has to go right to even get anything for him as a flip, and really, at this point, shouldn't the younger guys be getting the opportunity? I have the feeling, he's a longshot to make the team. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 2/10/2025 at 8:39 PM, Dick Allen said: I'm not upset about Drury, but a lot has to go right to even get anything for him as a flip, and really, at this point, shouldn't the younger guys be getting the opportunity? I have the feeling, he's a longshot to make the team. Expand The way I see it… what upside do the younger guys really have? Drury’s upside is higher IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 2/10/2025 at 8:43 PM, JoeC said: The way I see it… what upside do the younger guys really have? Drury’s upside is higher IMO. Expand How do you feel about acquiring another Jarold Rosado (what they got for DeJong) at the expense of seeing if Sosa or Vargas can be anything, giving Meidroth and Baldwin playing/development time in a wasted year, and Colson or Ramos playing time if they hit at Charlotte? Non-contention seasons are when you try out your younger guys, not burn time on 32-year-olds on the downswing of their careers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 2/10/2025 at 8:43 PM, JoeC said: The way I see it… what upside do the younger guys really have? Drury’s upside is higher IMO. Expand Even if he snaps back a bit, you aren't getting anything for him. Look what he brought before he was godawful and a lot younger at the deadline. A guy who hit .180 in A ball. Oh wait, we are supposed to think those guys have a chance to really be good one day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 2/10/2025 at 8:43 PM, JoeC said: The way I see it… what upside do the younger guys really have? Drury’s upside is higher IMO. Expand At least he has a history of doing SOMETHING at the major league level. I don't want him blocking anyone, but he could also fill some ABs as I am sure there will be plenty of failures and roster grinding going on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 2/10/2025 at 8:43 PM, JoeC said: The way I see it… what upside do the younger guys really have? Drury’s upside is higher IMO. Expand If the younger guys have zero upside, there isn’t a point to any of this. Drury does jack s%*# for the Sox as a player and as a flip candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/10/2025 at 8:48 PM, Quin said: How do you feel about acquiring another Jarold Rosado (what they got for DeJong) at the expense of seeing if Sosa or Vargas can be anything, giving Meidroth and Baldwin playing/development time in a wasted year, and Colson or Ramos playing time if they hit at Charlotte? Non-contention seasons are when you try out your younger guys, not burn time on 32-year-olds on the downswing of their careers Expand If guys are actually going to develop at the big league level, then sure. If Colson does well at AAA and indicates he’s ready for big league pitching (two different things IMO - you can be a good AAA hitter and end up a 2024 White Sox regular), then you absolutely dump the guys like Drury. As of now, I don’t really see anyone worth clearing space up for on opening day… at least not worth more than what Drury could maybe get you if he finds his 2-years-ago form. If he does that, you’ve brought in a low-minors bat at the deadline. On 2/10/2025 at 9:38 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: If the younger guys have zero upside, there isn’t a point to any of this. Drury does jack s%*# for the Sox as a player and as a flip candidate. Expand Ding ding ding. Might as well buy a couple of scratch-offs, which is what Drury could get you. Again, once guys like Colson show they’re ready for big league pitching, you clear the way. Signing a guy to an NRI isn’t “blocking” jack s%*#, especially when there’s nothing that is being blocked. I hope it changes midseason, and the NRI-turned-half-a-season-league-minimum-guy-turned-DFA becomes a half a season of league minimum salary wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/10/2025 at 9:18 PM, Dick Allen said: Even if he snaps back a bit, you aren't getting anything for him. Look what he brought before he was godawful and a lot younger at the deadline. A guy who hit .180 in A ball. Oh wait, we are supposed to think those guys have a chance to really be good one day. Expand I’m not quite sure what you mean here…. Are you saying that we should play prospects because they’re going to be better than the veteran? Or that we shouldn’t trade the veterans because they’re just going to return prospects who are not going to be any better than the veterans in the future? (I legit am trying to understand here…) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 The thing about Drury is that if he bounces back at all (admittedly, I have no idea why he was so bad last year; maybe there's a good reason), he may be the best hitter on the team aside from Robert. And yet, even if he does so, he still won't return more than a live arm at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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