Quin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:27 PM, Dick Allen said: Has Getz given up on Fletcher? Expand Or just youth altogether? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:25 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: You trade him because your afraid of him getting hurt again and he brings you nothing like Moncada. The Giants have some interesting pitchers and lets face it it's not like the league is knocking down the Sox door saying "take all of our best prospects!!!" Expand With the limits on total players and the depth of the Sox system right now, I'm not sure that a couple 40+/45 players are that much better than nothing. If you get Tibbs, with the depth of the W-S OF, he likely plays 1b/dh. The last thing they need is depth starting pitching. I think the only upside play is keeping Robert. Best case scenario, he is capable of down ballot MVP votes. If you can't get at least one player whose FV is in that tier, I don't think the downside risk is that great. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:10 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I think the Giants are just a terrible match prospect wise though for the White Sox unfortunately Expand Has that ever stopped Chris Getz before? Gotta dump em all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:35 PM, Timmy U said: With the limits on total players and the depth of the Sox system right now, I'm not sure that a couple 40+/45 players are that much better than nothing. If you get Tibbs, with the depth of the W-S OF, he likely plays 1b/dh. The last thing they need is depth starting pitching. I think the only upside play is keeping Robert. Best case scenario, he is capable of down ballot MVP votes. If you can't get at least one player whose FV is in that tier, I don't think the downside risk is that great. Expand They need talent. I don't think it matters what type of talent it is and starting pitching depth is very valuable especially at the trade deadline. It would make it much easier to trade guys like Martin or Burke at the deadline if they have starters lined up behind them. I think the risk of getting nothing for Monacada and Robert is too great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:33 PM, southsider2k5 said: They are rebuilding, but are also trying to not be the most embarassing team in MLB history again. They are trying to have a foot into both worlds. The absolutely blew it again last year, and don't want that mess again. Expand I agree that they’re trying to thread that needle, but the offseason moves don’t exactly scream “at least we’ll definitely be better than last year.” Basically they’ve put themselves in a position to potentially both stunt the rebuild AND be just as bad as last year. Which is an almost more impressive threading of the needle. Bravo. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:45 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: They need talent. I don't think it matters what type of talent it is and starting pitching depth is very valuable especially at the trade deadline. It would make it much easier to trade guys like Martin or Burke at the deadline if they have starters lined up behind them. I think the risk of getting nothing for Monacada and Robert is too great. Expand If they start trading guys like Burke with less than a year of service time, you're really looking at an endless rebuild. My issue with pitching depth is similar to getting even more second basemen -- there are not slots for them in the minors. If they get high-upside A-ball guys, great. Mid-rotation AA guys would be of no use because Birm and W-S are jam-packed right now. I am team Hold Robert to the Bitter End. You feel otherwise. I respect your opinion and you may be right. I just feel like they need to start getting players who project as 4+ WAR guys or they are going to suck forever. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/11/2025 at 11:07 PM, fathom said: I wonder if Robert even makes it to the first ST game with this organization Expand Based on his inability to stay healthy he shouldn't but we shall see. As with Cease he will sell low and hope to develop the middling players they get back. Failed miserably with Cease. Hopefully we lock in the #1 pick in the 2026 lottery and there is something of value there that can be traded for a haul in 2031. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:53 PM, Timmy U said: If they start trading guys like Burke with less than a year of service time, you're really looking at an endless rebuild. My issue with pitching depth is similar to getting even more second basemen -- there are not slots for them in the minors. If they get high-upside A-ball guys, great. Mid-rotation AA guys would be of no use because Birm and W-S are jam-packed right now. I am team Hold Robert to the Bitter End. You feel otherwise. I respect your opinion and you may be right. I just feel like they need to start getting players who project as 4+ WAR guys or they are going to suck forever. Expand In the history of baseball an org has never said we have too much pitching. It always works itself out. The Dodgers might be the best org ever and what's the one thing they need? Pitching. I'm not saying the have to take back pitching but if that's the best teams are offering then they have to do it. I don't think it's about being right. I think Robert is going to have a good season because he's actually going to be motivated but all it takes is one freak thing and they get nothing. He hurts his oblique on a swing, he slips on a base and pulls a hammy, he runs into a wall and hurts his shoulder. I think the risk is too great and getting nothing for two players who were supposed to bring back future players would set the org back further. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:53 PM, Snopek said: I agree that they’re trying to thread that needle, but the offseason moves don’t exactly scream “at least we’ll definitely be better than last year.” Basically they’ve put themselves in a position to potentially both stunt the rebuild AND be just as bad as last year. Which is an almost more impressive threading of the needle. Bravo. Expand How would they be stunting the rebuild? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:21 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: How would they be stunting the rebuild? Expand If they don't let the younger guys like Sosa and Ramos and Fletcher play, because they would rather play these re-treads, and eventually any of them wind up decent players, they have stunted it. But, you may not like what Getz was able to get for Bummer. You may not like what he was able to get for Cease. You may not like what he was able to get for Pham and Fedde and Kopech, but wait until you see the haul he gets for Tauchman, Booser and Slater. He may become the first guy to win Exec of the Year with a triple digit loss team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:27 PM, Dick Allen said: If they don't let the younger guys like Sosa and Ramos and Fletcher play, because they would rather play these re-treads, and eventually any of them wind up decent players, they have stunted it. But, you may not like what Getz was able to get for Bummer. You may not like what he was able to get for Cease. You may not like what he was able to get for Pham and Fedde and Kopech, but wait until you see the haul he gets for Tauchman, Booser and Slater. He may become the first guy to win Exec of the Year with a triple digit loss team. Expand Dick, you're a lot more optimistic than I am about what they can get for those three next July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 2:53 PM, Snopek said: I agree that they’re trying to thread that needle, but the offseason moves don’t exactly scream “at least we’ll definitely be better than last year.” Basically they’ve put themselves in a position to potentially both stunt the rebuild AND be just as bad as last year. Which is an almost more impressive threading of the needle. Bravo. Expand Which is way more likely. They have yet to figure out the balance between panic and taking the pain from the moves they have already made to get past it without making it worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:27 PM, Dick Allen said: If they don't let the younger guys like Sosa and Ramos and Fletcher play, because they would rather play these re-treads, and eventually any of them wind up decent players, they have stunted it. But, you may not like what Getz was able to get for Bummer. You may not like what he was able to get for Cease. You may not like what he was able to get for Pham and Fedde and Kopech, but wait until you see the haul he gets for Tauchman, Booser and Slater. He may become the first guy to win Exec of the Year with a triple digit loss team. Expand Just like they did with two of these guys last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:21 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: How would they be stunting the rebuild? Expand If they prioritize giving at bats to veterans instead of the younger guys in the name of a marginal improvement in the W/L column, I'd say that is stunting the rebuild. I understand it's just an "If" at this point, but I think it's a real possibility. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:35 PM, Snopek said: If they prioritize giving at bats to veterans instead of the younger guys in the name of a marginal improvement in the W/L column, I'd say that is stunting the rebuild. I understand it's just an "If" at this point, but I think it's a real possibility. Expand Which players are you worried about taking at bats from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:41 PM, SoxBlanco said: Which players are you worried about taking at bats from? Expand From what it looks like above. Players that will be out of the league by the end of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:35 PM, Snopek said: If they prioritize giving at bats to veterans instead of the younger guys in the name of a marginal improvement in the W/L column, I'd say that is stunting the rebuild. I understand it's just an "If" at this point, but I think it's a real possibility. Expand I'm in favor of making the actual prospects force the issue and earn the playing time. None of these veterans will be standing in anyone's way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:44 PM, Baron said: From what it looks like above. Players that will be out of the league by the end of the year. Expand More than likely, yes. But what does Tauchman, Slater and Booser really do for the Sox? Pham played at least as well as you would have expected last season, and what good was he, except to take a couple of million from JR's bank account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 If Robert is traded for a marginal return in ST...it will simply be because JR ordered Getz to keep cutting payroll and in the name of risk mitigation. What a fun team to follow...the last trade that POSSIBLY could provide them All-Star level talent. Relying on the draft and free agency has simply been a horror show for Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Robert to the Mets soon? Jett Williams plus what else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:49 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I'm in favor of making the actual prospects force the issue and earn the playing time. None of these veterans will be standing in anyone's way. Expand Very few of the prospects are going to outplay the likes of Taylor Tauchman or Rojas Amaya defensively. The problem is protecting the pitching staff on defense (the same idea leading to "all the vets" philosophy last year)...but the trade off is having an even worse offense than 2024. That won't help the young pitchers' confidence either...or a constantly imploding bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/12/2025 at 3:55 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Robert to the Mets soon? Jett Williams plus what else? Expand I wager not much else or anything if you are getting Jett. It sounds like even Jett would be a tall ask at this point. Edited February 12 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:55 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Robert to the Mets soon? Jett Williams plus what else? Expand Baty seems to be w/o a home. Acuna needs more seasoning in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:52 PM, caulfield12 said: If Robert is traded for a marginal return in ST...it will simply be because JR ordered Getz to keep cutting payroll and in the name of risk mitigation. What a fun team to follow...the last trade that POSSIBLY could provide them All-Star level talent. Relying on the draft and free agency has simply been a horror show for Sox fans. Expand I've had it beaten into my head that everybody on Earth knew that Robert, Eloy and Yoan would all be injured by game 11, and that Getz should have known that too. I can only assume that Luis Robert will be out by game 11, again, because history, and we will stumble into the TDL with Robert putting up a strong month coming off the IL. I think that trading Robert in spring training would also be for the reason of avoiding carrying him on the IL for 2 months and reducing return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I wonder if Venable is having second thoughts about taking the job after he's seen the roster he'll have to work with this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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