Tnetennba Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:40 PM, Quin said: I don't like Fletcher, but it's a lot easier to sell a plan for the future if half the lineup is under 30. Expand Like, maybe give the guys Getz himself traded for a shot, instead of burying them behind retreads that offer no value to the future of the roster. They are likely all AAAA guys anyway, but signing washed up vets instead of committing to developing the guys in house indicates that they either don't care about development or have no faith in their ability to do so. Neither points to them having a clear path or plan, or any faith in whatever they are trying to implement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/11/2025 at 11:10 PM, fathom said: True, but he’s the only one with the potential to put up big numbers and carry the team for a week or two. If he’s traded, this year’s roster makes last year’s roster look solid. Expand Really ? Who last year was solid compared to this year ? Maldonado? Lopez? Catchers ? Outfielders ? SS Was Dejong so maybe ? Vaughn was still at 1st. Bullpen could t be much worse than last year. Starting pitching might be a toss considering Crochet didnt win that many games . You're expecting less than 41 wins ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/11/2025 at 11:10 PM, fathom said: True, but he’s the only one with the potential to put up big numbers and carry the team for a week or two. If he’s traded, this year’s roster makes last year’s roster look solid. Expand Seeing a screenshot just yesterday of the projected 2024 lineup going into the season, it looks like an All Star lineup compared to the projected 2025 lineup. Edited February 12 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 7:17 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Really ? Who last year was solid compared to this year ? Maldonado? Lopez? Catchers ? Outfielders ? SS Was Dejong so maybe ? Vaughn was still at 1st. Bullpen could t be much worse than last year. Starting pitching might be a toss considering Crochet didnt win that many games . You're expecting less than 41 wins ? Expand Crochet and Fedde were two of the better pitches in the league. Yes the bullpen was bad last year, and I don’t see much in the way of improvement there either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie for Manager Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I work in kinston, NC and we lost the Rangers single A team this year and got a independent league team. I feel like watching them and the sox will be the same experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 7:19 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Seeing a screenshot just yesterday of the projected 2024 lineup going into the season, it looks like an All Star lineup compared to the projected 2025 lineup. Expand If someone were to tell me that we have a worse year in 2025, than 2024, it isn't hard to design scenarios where that happens. The COMPLETE lack of front end pitching is a great place to start. Especially when Robert gets traded, it is also not hard to imagine the defense and offense being worse as well. I know we are counting on reversing some of the bad "luck" from last year, but I can't help but feeling that a lot of the bad luck from last year was just a historic collection of bad players being bad, and the models not being able to calculate an outcome that far off of "normal" bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 12:55 AM, Bob Sacamano said: I would bet that he doesn’t make it to Opening Day Expand I might take that bet. I also might lose it in the next couple of minutes .They really did need a backup CF though. On one hand I'm like Jerry really doesn't want to pay that $15M does he ? On the other hand Getz is running out of quality assets to peddle for some young CF or SS . He has to keep him and hope for a bounce back then trade him a couple weeks before the TDL. Didn't get lucky hoping Eloy or Moncada ever bounced back. Maybe just take some really young OF prospects but one has to show some power potential or have the frame to develop power. Tough call .Trade him now or wait. Decent enough offers might not be there yet . Teams may want to see him play well first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/12/2025 at 7:20 PM, fathom said: Crochet and Fedde were two of the better pitches in the league. Yes the bullpen was bad last year, and I don’t see much in the way of improvement there either. Expand I admit there's a lot of questions marks which is what you get doing what Getz is forced to do. I think some of the kids are more ready to be productive and it's really hard to be much worse than last year. Rather not see the new manager and coaches have that kind of year. 110 losses would be bad enough but at least wouldn't have to face all time bad again. Edited February 12 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Scholtens to the 60 day DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/12/2025 at 7:17 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Really ? Who last year was solid compared to this year ? Maldonado? Lopez? Catchers ? Outfielders ? SS Was Dejong so maybe ? Vaughn was still at 1st. Bullpen could t be much worse than last year. Starting pitching might be a toss considering Crochet didnt win that many games . You're expecting less than 41 wins ? Expand Of course he didn't win many games, this team had no offense and a terrible bullpen. He went 6-12 and the team went 9-23 in games started by Crochet. What do you think is going to happen now going from a front of the rotation all-star level pitcher to Davis Martin? The starting pitching this year will be considerably worse than last season, full of washed vets and young guys trying to develop. At least 2024 had Crochet and Fedde for the majority of the season. Edited February 12 by T R U 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 8:53 PM, T R U said: Of course he didn't win many games, this team had no offense and a terrible bullpen. He went 6-12 and the team went 9-23 in games started by Crochet. What do you think is going to happen now going from a front of the rotation all-star level pitcher to Davis Martin? The starting pitching this year will be considerably worse than last season, full of washed vets and young guys trying to develop. At least 2024 had Crochet and Fedde for the majority of the season. Expand 9-23 is a .290 winning percentage. The White Sox were 8-13 in games started by Fedde. That means the White Sox went 17-36 in games started by the two of them. That's a .320 winning rate. At the very least, that's a lot better than the team's record in the games started by others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 9:26 PM, Balta1701 said: 9-23 is a .290 winning percentage. The White Sox were 8-13 in games started by Fedde. That means the White Sox went 17-36 in games started by the two of them. That's a .320 winning rate. At the very least, that's a lot better than the team's record in the games started by others. Expand 24-85 in non Corchet/Fedde games. How anyone can possibly think the rotation will be better off in 2025 is wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/12/2025 at 5:18 PM, Dick Allen said: The problem is, if guys like Sosa and Vargas and Baldwin and Fletcher, are so bad they can't beat out one year veteran deals. whether they lose 121 games or 118 won't matter much, because the loss total is going to start with a 1 for years. Where is the development? Where is the eye for talent if these guys can't play? Expand Sosa, Vargas, & Baldwin have all performed in the minors and should be given legitimate opportunities. Fletcher was legit bad last year offensively and ideally needs to show something in the minors before being handed a starting role at the major league level. Blocking the first three is highly problematic whereas adding veteran OFs on the cheap is unlikely to be an actual issue IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:04 AM, Chicago White Sox said: Sosa, Vargas, & Baldwin have all performed in the minors and should be given legitimate opportunities. Fletcher was legit bad last year offensively and ideally needs to show something in the minors before being handed a starting role at the major league level. Blocking the first three is highly problematic whereas adding veteran OFs on the cheap is unlikely to be an actual issue IMO. Expand There's zero legit outfielders down to Braden, unless you count someone like Veras, who was already unceremoniously dumped from the 40 man. DeLoach? He's a 4th outfielder at best. Colas? Well, that's a long and winding story. Fletcher? Already addressed. Julks and Sheets were the other two names last year that we will hardly remember ten years from now, especially Julks. All that said, there's a possibility Vargas and/or Baldwin can fit in LF with Benintendi at DH, but that would hardly help sell Andrew in a possible salary dump + money coming along with him from the Sox trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:12 AM, caulfield12 said: Veras, who was already unceremoniously dumped from the 40 man. Expand When did that happen? I don't think he was ever put on the 40-man to be "dumped" from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:04 AM, Chicago White Sox said: Sosa, Vargas, & Baldwin have all performed in the minors and should be given legitimate opportunities. Fletcher was legit bad last year offensively and ideally needs to show something in the minors before being handed a starting role at the major league level. Blocking the first three is highly problematic whereas adding veteran OFs on the cheap is unlikely to be an actual issue IMO. Expand Fletcher is 27. He isn’t going to get anything out of going to Charlotte. See if he can play. If not, so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:16 AM, WestEddy said: When did that happen? I don't think he was ever put on the 40-man to be "dumped" from it. Expand This was all I could find, could have sworn we had a fringe-ish (Top 20-40 system) outfield prospect added to the 40 man in the last 12 months, then removed. March 16, 2024 3B Wilfred Veras roster status changed by Chicago White Sox. March 16, 2024 3B Wilfred Veras assigned to Chicago White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:32 AM, Dick Allen said: Fletcher is 27. He isn’t going to get anything out of going to Charlotte. See if he can play. If not, so what? Expand Apparently the additional wins provided by Tauchman/Slater platoon will surely be worth it... Otherwise, why sign them in the first place, unless you DON'T HAVE ANY confidence in DeLoach, Colas, Fletcher, Sheets, Julks, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Wilfred Veras has never been on the 40-man before 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:34 AM, caulfield12 said: This was all I could find, could have sworn we had a fringe-ish (Top 20-40 system) outfield prospect added to the 40 man in the last 12 months, then removed. March 16, 2024 3B Wilfred Veras roster status changed by Chicago White Sox. March 16, 2024 3B Wilfred Veras assigned to Chicago White Sox. Expand This last December was when he came up for 40-man protection. I think they only did Monty and Carella. I think what you're referencing are spring training designations before they're assigned to minor league camp, then assigned to an affiliate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:36 AM, caulfield12 said: Apparently the additional wins provided by Tauchman/Slater platoon will surely be worth it... Otherwise, why sign them in the first place, unless you DON'T HAVE ANY confidence in DeLoach, Colas, Fletcher, Sheets, Julks, etc.? Expand They have so little confidence in Sheets that he's no longer on the team. DeLoach and Julks have been DFAed, and have to earn their way back onto the 40-man. Colas is pretty obvious they don't think he's an outfielder, and I don't have a problem with Fletcher getting his sea legs back in AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:43 AM, WestEddy said: They have so little confidence in Sheets that he's no longer on the team. DeLoach and Julks have been DFAed, and have to earn their way back onto the 40-man. Colas is pretty obvious they don't think he's an outfielder, and I don't have a problem with Fletcher getting his sea legs back in AAA. Expand Who is they? I thought Sheets was a decent lefty bench bat and Julks was good enough to be the right-handed side of a RF platoon? Why did Getz cut such talented players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:32 AM, Dick Allen said: Fletcher is 27. He isn’t going to get anything out of going to Charlotte. See if he can play. If not, so what? Expand He may not, but I just don’t see a major league hitter in him and wasting 300+ plate appearances on him this year won’t change that. Would rather spend $3.5M on a veteran RF platoon and potentially take some pressure off of some of the other kids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:55 AM, Chicago White Sox said: He may not, but I just don’t see a major league hitter in him and wasting 300+ plate appearances on him this year won’t change that. Would rather spend $3.5M on a veteran RF platoon and potentially take some pressure off of some of the other kids. Expand There's the rub, Taylor won a WS with Washington in 2019. Tauchman was with the Yankees and Cubs. Slater, SFG when they won more games than the Dodgers. Rojas has a ton of experience. How valuable is that clubhouse "leadership" from the veterans, versus the 'old "Let the Kids Play" bromide? But you can say the exact same thing for all the veterans who came to camp with the Sox last year, Pillar/Grossman/Chavez included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 12:55 AM, Chicago White Sox said: He may not, but I just don’t see a major league hitter in him and wasting 300+ plate appearances on him this year won’t change that. Would rather spend $3.5M on a veteran RF platoon and potentially take some pressure off of some of the other kids. Expand I can't say you're wrong.... But considering especially how Colas has been lost in a netherworld, why are we keeping him and Fletcher around rather than cutting them loose and filling the roster spot with someone else, if we're already spending roster spots on a platoon to replace them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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