Snopek Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 3:59 PM, T R U said: Probably because it hits a little differently when you put out the worst season in baseball history. Expand Eh, I get what you’re saying, but I think bs is bs regardless of the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 For those who still don’t believe that Getz is at least trying to make meaningful change, go read the latest Fegan piece over at SoxMachine. Lots of specific tangible actions that have been implemented over the last 12 months that prove he’s actually doing something to bring us out of the dark ages. Like holy s%*#, the Sox were the only club not using the Cloud last year to store their data…like we are talking about unprecedented levels of incompetence. And by no means am I suggesting Getz will work out (I literally just ripped his trade record in another thread), but we are already at the point where his GM speak is backed by legitimate foundational changes whereas Hahn’s lawyer talk was nothing but smoke & mirrors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 4:31 PM, Chicago White Sox said: For those who still don’t believe that Getz is at least trying to make meaningful change, go read the latest Fegan piece over at SoxMachine. Lots of specific tangible actions that have been implemented over the last 12 months that prove he’s actually doing something to bring us out of the dark ages. Like holy s%*#, the Sox were the only club not using the Cloud last year to store their data…like we are talking about unprecedented levels of incompetence. And by no means am I suggesting Getz will work out (I literally just ripped his trade record in another thread), but we are already at the point where his GM speak is backed by legitimate foundational changes whereas Hahn’s lawyer talk was nothing but smoke & mirrors. Expand SoxMachine article: White Sox seek a more perfect union Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 4:31 PM, Chicago White Sox said: For those who still don’t believe that Getz is at least trying to make meaningful change, go read the latest Fegan piece over at SoxMachine. Lots of specific tangible actions that have been implemented over the last 12 months that prove he’s actually doing something to bring us out of the dark ages. Like holy s%*#, the Sox were the only club not using the Cloud last year to store their data…like we are talking about unprecedented levels of incompetence. And by no means am I suggesting Getz will work out (I literally just ripped his trade record in another thread), but we are already at the point where his GM speak is backed by legitimate foundational changes whereas Hahn’s lawyer talk was nothing but smoke & mirrors. Expand I think most people that follow the Sox closely are aware Getz has been making hires and doing things behind the scenes that have advanced the Sox out of 2002. Good. I also don’t give my kids extra credit for not doing drugs. Once again, it’s not that I don’t want to give Getz a fair shake. He should absolutely not have been given the role he was given based on past performance, and it was another lazy hire in the long line of lazy hires by the Reinsdorf family. I want Getz to be successful, I just have serious doubts he will be, because Jerry Reinsdorf is very bad at this. Additionally, I don’t believe Jerry will give Getz, or any GM, the proper resources to truly be “successful” against the rest of Major League Baseball. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 4:45 PM, Tony said: Additionally, I don’t believe Jerry will give Getz, or any GM, the proper resources to truly be “successful” against the rest of Major League Baseball. Expand ? He just did. Read the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 4:45 PM, Tony said: I think most people that follow the Sox closely are aware Getz has been making hires and doing things behind the scenes that have advanced the Sox out of 2002. Good. I also don’t give my kids extra credit for not doing drugs. Once again, it’s not that I don’t want to give Getz a fair shake. He should absolutely not have been given the role he was given based on past performance, and it was another lazy hire in the long line of lazy hires by the Reinsdorf family. I want Getz to be successful, I just have serious doubts he will be, because Jerry Reinsdorf is very bad at this. Additionally, I don’t believe Jerry will give Getz, or any GM, the proper resources to truly be “successful” against the rest of Major League Baseball. Expand Did you read the article? This isn’t just about hiring outside people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 4:45 PM, Tony said: I think most people that follow the Sox closely are aware Getz has been making hires and doing things behind the scenes that have advanced the Sox out of 2002. Good. I also don’t give my kids extra credit for not doing drugs. Once again, it’s not that I don’t want to give Getz a fair shake. He should absolutely not have been given the role he was given based on past performance, and it was another lazy hire in the long line of lazy hires by the Reinsdorf family. I want Getz to be successful, I just have serious doubts he will be, because Jerry Reinsdorf is very bad at this. Additionally, I don’t believe Jerry will give Getz, or any GM, the proper resources to truly be “successful” against the rest of Major League Baseball. Expand Especially knowing that Getz has a full reign over his position and apparently did none of the things he needed to while development completely failed under his watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 4:31 PM, Chicago White Sox said: For those who still don’t believe that Getz is at least trying to make meaningful change, go read the latest Fegan piece over at SoxMachine. Lots of specific tangible actions that have been implemented over the last 12 months that prove he’s actually doing something to bring us out of the dark ages. Like holy s%*#, the Sox were the only club not using the Cloud last year to store their data…like we are talking about unprecedented levels of incompetence. And by no means am I suggesting Getz will work out (I literally just ripped his trade record in another thread), but we are already at the point where his GM speak is backed by legitimate foundational changes whereas Hahn’s lawyer talk was nothing but smoke & mirrors. Expand We don't actually know this though. At least not in any quantifiable manner yet, or with any tangible permanence. JR still holds the reins, and there will always be a limit to what change any GM can bring about. Getz's hires look good on paper, but this is also the same GM who put the worst team in modern baseball on the field. It is fair to question his competence across the board after his disastrous first year on the job. Getz was never a qualified hire and has yet to prove otherwise IMO. Our skeptical criticism is fair, and to say his actions are backed by legitimate foundational change is woefully premature. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:38 PM, Tnetennba said: We don't actually know this though. At least not in any quantifiable manner yet, or with any tangible permanence. JR still holds the reins, and there will always be a limit to what change any GM can bring about. Getz's hires look good on paper, but this is also the same GM who put the worst team in modern baseball on the field. It is fair to question his competence across the board after his disastrous first year on the job. Getz was never a qualified hire and has yet to prove otherwise IMO. Our skeptical criticism is fair, and to say his actions are backed by legitimate foundational change is woefully premature. Expand Did you read the article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 4:49 PM, WestEddy said: ? He just did. Read the article. Expand On 2/17/2025 at 4:50 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Did you read the article? This isn’t just about hiring outside people. Expand 1. It's a behind a paywall, I'm not a patreon member to Sox Machine. 2. Does it mention signing a 300 million dollar player? Because if it doesn't, that also goes into the proper resource allocation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:11 PM, Tony said: 1. It's a behind a paywall, I'm not a patreon member to Sox Machine. 2. Does it mention signing a 300 million dollar player? Because if it doesn't, that also goes into the proper resource allocation. Expand No, but it goes into specific technological investments we have made in player development and scouting over the past 12 months. The reason we’re in this disastrous spot today has far less to do with major league payroll allocation and moreso with core structural issues that have prevented us being good at the very basic things that the best mid & small market clubs must be good at to survive. I get that Jerry sucks as owner and he must go to truly become a great franchise, but there is significant transformation possible by just getting with the times and it appears that Getz is making some actual strides in those areas. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:47 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Did you read the article? Expand I'm not a Sox Machine subscriber, so no. Can you provide tangible evidence that supports your claim that Getz has made legitimate foundational change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) On 2/17/2025 at 6:20 PM, Chicago White Sox said: No, but it goes into specific technological investments we have made in player development and scouting over the past 12 months. The reason we’re in this disastrous spot today has far less to do with major league payroll allocation and moreso with core structural issues that have prevented us being good at the very basic things that the best mid & small market clubs must be good at to survive. I get that Jerry sucks as owner and he must go to truly become a great franchise, but there is significant transformation possible by just getting with the times and it appears that Getz is making some actual strides in those areas. Expand On 2/17/2025 at 6:21 PM, Tnetennba said: I'm not a Sox Machine subscriber, so no. Can you provide tangible evidence that supports your claim that Getz has made legitimate foundational change? Expand making some actual strides =/= Getz has made legitimate foundational change. I would like to believe Getz is doing what you're saying, but we don't actually know it yet, and I can't put faith in what the FO says. Nothing he is purportedly doing has been proven out yet, and we don't have evidence of tangible change. All I'm saying is that it's premature to make such definitive statements. Edited February 17 by Tnetennba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 (edited) On 2/17/2025 at 6:21 PM, Tnetennba said: I'm not a Sox Machine subscriber, so no. Can you provide tangible evidence that supports your claim that Getz has made legitimate foundational change? Expand Yes. It's being reported on by multiple journalists who cover the White Sox. Too bad you can't access it. Can you provide tangible evidence that refutes all of the reporting on those advancements? Edited February 17 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:20 PM, Chicago White Sox said: No, but it goes into specific technological investments we have made in player development and scouting over the past 12 months. The reason we’re in this disastrous spot today has far less to do with major league payroll allocation and moreso with core structural issues that have prevented us being good at the very basic things that the best mid & small market clubs must be good at to survive. I get that Jerry sucks as owner and he must go to truly become a great franchise, but there is significant transformation possible by just getting with the times and it appears that Getz is making some actual strides in those areas. Expand I guess I'm just going to repeat myself, but while those are all positives, and I'm glad Getz is taking those steps...But as a fan of the White Sox and Major League Baseball, I'm not going to be overly excited for my favorite team simply "catching up" to the rest of the league. We're celebrating something that should have been done decades ago. I'm not going to lower my expectations or hold the White Sox to a lesser standard because THEY are the ones responsible for trying to lower the bar so low. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:28 PM, Tony said: I guess I'm just going to repeat myself, but while those are all positives, and I'm glad Getz is taking those steps...But as a fan of the White Sox and Major League Baseball, I'm not going to be overly excited for my favorite team simply "catching up" to the rest of the league. We're celebrating something that should have been done decades ago. I'm not going to lower my expectations or hold the White Sox to a lesser standard because THEY are the ones responsible for trying to lower the bar so low. Expand Better late than never, I guess. But since this is all new to the Sox, they are still behind other teams as a result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) On 2/17/2025 at 6:26 PM, WestEddy said: Yes. It's being reported on by multiple journalists who cover the White Sox. Too bad you can't access it. Can you provide tangible evidence that refutes all of the reporting on those advancements? Expand Your statements mean absolutely nothing to me, as you've proven time and again that you lack any semblance of objectivity when it comes to Chris Getz work in the White Sox front office. And your snarky little holier than thou quip is pretty laughable. I am not refuting that these things are happening behind the scenes. I am simply stating that we do not know that foundational change is happening, or has happened as the poster claimed. Nothing has proven out yet. My tangible proof is Jerry Reinsdorf's record as White Sox Chairman, and the current state of the franchise following an historic 121 loss season. 40 years of Reinsdorf ownership tells me plenty about the bounds in which a Sox GM is allowed to operate. My skepticism is backed by the org's track record of being bad. Edited February 17 by Tnetennba 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:28 PM, Tony said: I guess I'm just going to repeat myself, but while those are all positives, and I'm glad Getz is taking those steps...But as a fan of the White Sox and Major League Baseball, I'm not going to be overly excited for my favorite team simply "catching up" to the rest of the league. We're celebrating something that should have been done decades ago. I'm not going to lower my expectations or hold the White Sox to a lesser standard because THEY are the ones responsible for trying to lower the bar so low. Expand Who is saying you should lower your standard? But any new GM coming in would have had to go through this part of the process…the point is that an unqualified, insular hire is at least doing some of the right things. I know I was terrified that Getz could have been just more of the same and this is somewhat of a relief to see, but perhaps you were more optimistic on him as GM than I was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:36 PM, Tnetennba said: Your statements mean absolutely nothing to me, as you've proven time and again that you lack any semblance of objectivity when it comes to Chris Getz work in the White Sox front office. And your snarky little holier than thou quip is pretty laughable. I am not refuting that these things are happening behind the scenes. I am simply stating that we do not know that foundational change is happening, or has happened as the poster claimed. Nothing has proven out yet. My tangible proof is Jerry Reinsdorf's record as White Sox Chairman, and the current state of the franchise following an historic 121 loss season. 40 years of Reinsdorf ownership tells me plenty about the bounds in which a Sox GM is allowed to operate. My skepticism is backed by the org's track record of being bad. Expand Snark is all I have left, as any discussion of these things wind their way down the path of "we don't know that", "history", or "41-121!!!". We reference a specific article, where Getz is exceedingly transparent about how backwards the organization was, and what has been implemented to solve the inefficiencies and gaps in communication. The evidence of this actually happening is 2 minor league teams competing in their leagues' championships. The evidence in changes to pitching development is the transformation of Garrett Crochet into an ace-level starter, and the buzz around the league over Sox pitching prospects, like Cannon, and Sean Burke, but also later round picks Davis Martin and Mason Adams. Change doesn't magically happen at the last out of a World Series victory. It's happening right now. Acknowledge it or don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:28 PM, Tony said: I guess I'm just going to repeat myself, but while those are all positives, and I'm glad Getz is taking those steps...But as a fan of the White Sox and Major League Baseball, I'm not going to be overly excited for my favorite team simply "catching up" to the rest of the league. We're celebrating something that should have been done decades ago. I'm not going to lower my expectations or hold the White Sox to a lesser standard because THEY are the ones responsible for trying to lower the bar so low. Expand Oh hey, the Sox caught up to the 2010s. That's so incredible! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:10 PM, southsider2k5 said: Oh hey, the Sox caught up to the 2010s. That's so incredible! Expand Until they really want change, and that would have included an exhaustive search to find the best GM, catch up is all they will ever play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:26 PM, WestEddy said: Yes. It's being reported on by multiple journalists who cover the White Sox. Too bad you can't access it. Expand I went searching for these reports by multiple journalists and found more articles on the stadium name change than on what Fegan is reporting. As a matter of fact, I did not find a single article to corroborate Fegan's piece. There are plenty of older articles talking about changes the Sox are supposedly making from recent years, most before Getz assembled the worst team in modern baseball, and none from actual journalists. Which of course comes as no surprise. As unsurprising as another unsubstantiated claim from the least credible Getz defender on this site. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) On 2/17/2025 at 7:33 PM, Tnetennba said: I went searching for these reports by multiple journalists and found more articles on the stadium name change than on what Fegan is reporting. As a matter of fact, I did not find a single article to corroborate Fegan's piece. There are plenty of older articles talking about changes the Sox are supposedly making from recent years, most before Getz assembled the worst team in modern baseball, and none from actual journalists. Which of course comes as no surprise. As unsurprising as another unsubstantiated claim from the least credible Getz defender on this site. Expand Wait, do you not believe what is happening because only Fegan wrote about it? The guy who is probably the best sports journalist in town? And to say he isn't an "actual journalist" is pretty insulting to the guy. Edited February 17 by PaleAleSox 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:33 PM, Tnetennba said: I went searching for these reports by multiple journalists and found more articles on the stadium name change than on what Fegan is reporting. As a matter of fact, I did not find a single article to corroborate Fegan's piece. There are plenty of older articles talking about changes the Sox are supposedly making from recent years, most before Getz assembled the worst team in modern baseball, and none from actual journalists. Which of course comes as no surprise. As unsurprising as another unsubstantiated claim from the least credible Getz defender on this site. Expand No, the national publications don't usually beat down the doors to report on what local guys have reported on. The Athletic doesn't even have a devoted Sox reporter. James Fegan is a good reporter. Are you implying he's making up lies to make the White Sox look better? Ian is with FutureSox: They actually are. They have probably spent about $6M on pitching machines between first iPitch, and now Trajekt. Both of these machines are awesome. — Ian Eskridge (@dailywhitesox) December 17, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:33 PM, Tnetennba said: I went searching for these reports by multiple journalists and found more articles on the stadium name change than on what Fegan is reporting. As a matter of fact, I did not find a single article to corroborate Fegan's piece. There are plenty of older articles talking about changes the Sox are supposedly making from recent years, most before Getz assembled the worst team in modern baseball, and none from actual journalists. Which of course comes as no surprise. As unsurprising as another unsubstantiated claim from the least credible Getz defender on this site. Expand And this is also why I resort to snark. It gets tiresome when dudes have to dig and argue whether the White Sox actually got a Trajekt machine, or not. Seriously, why would a reporter make this up? You digging in and arguing the minutiae of anything positive about the White Sox tells me that you're somewhat less than totally objective, yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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