southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:55 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Robert to the Mets soon? Jett Williams plus what else? Expand Is this a real thing or an idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:58 PM, DirtySox said: I wager not much else or anything if you are getting Jett. It sounds like even Jett would be a tall ask at this point. Expand Yeah, only way you can maybe get more back is if you also take back Marte but it doesn't seem like they would do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:00 PM, southsider2k5 said: Is this a real thing or an idea? Expand I'm speculating. It's clear we don't want to eat money and NYM has no issues with adding salary. They also have some prospects at the positions Getz is looking for. Those prospects have lost some shine so Getz might be able to buy low on a couple of them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:59 PM, sin city sox fan said: I wonder if Venable is having second thoughts about taking the job after he's seen the roster he'll have to work with this season. Expand One of the reasons cited was the strong farm system...and likely knowing that Crochet was out the door for 2 more Top 60-75 MiLB guys. That hasn't changed. The pressure to win at least 50ish games...still have THE worst record but not history-challenging. But then also the focus on development simultaneously, well they completely missed the mark on everything but Garrett and Erick last year. Venable has the job guaranteed for two years at the very least...and more than likely three. Whereas Texas could miss the playoffs in 2025 with deGrom and he might be out of a job in one year or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 At lease when they lose this year, they have a chance to be rewarded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:59 PM, sin city sox fan said: I wonder if Venable is having second thoughts about taking the job after he's seen the roster he'll have to work with this season. Expand If he didn't realize this when he took the job, he deserves what he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:59 PM, sin city sox fan said: I wonder if Venable is having second thoughts about taking the job after he's seen the roster he'll have to work with this season. Expand He knew what he was walking into. This is basically year zero. You can at least see a semblance of a future team. Could not do that last year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 In addition to the Pirates, Taylor, a right-handed-hitting center fielder, has played for the Washington Nationals, with whom he earned a World Series ring in 2019...and he now only has to play for Cleveland and Detroit to have played for every single team in the AL Central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:41 PM, SoxBlanco said: Which players are you worried about taking at bats from? Expand Sosa, Vargas, Ramos, Baldwin, Meidroth, Fletcher, DeLoach. I get that these guys don't all fall into the same "prospect" category and aren't necessarily on the same timeline. I also get that the majority of them are unlikely to amount to major leaguers. But if you're not willing to invest in them a bit and let them take their lumps in a season like this one, then it seems like you aren't ever going to do that. And I fully acknowledge that you need some veterans on a rebuilding team, but just like last year, this year's roster is shaping up to be curiously old for a rebuilding team. Why? To what end? On 2/12/2025 at 3:49 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I'm in favor of making the actual prospects force the issue and earn the playing time. None of these veterans will be standing in anyone's way. Expand I'm not necessarily advocating for any of them to be handed a job. I'm all for some spring training competition. What I'm concerned about is that some of the younger guys will make the opening day roster but be given sporadic starts, which doesn't exactly set them up for success. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:27 PM, Snopek said: Sosa, Vargas, Ramos, Baldwin, Meidroth, Fletcher, DeLoach. I get that these guys don't all fall into the same "prospect" category and aren't necessarily on the same timeline. I also get that the majority of them are unlikely to amount to major leaguers. But if you're not willing to invest in them a bit and let them take their lumps in a season like this one, then it seems like you aren't ever going to do that. And I fully acknowledge that you need some veterans on a rebuilding team, but just like last year, this year's roster is shaping up to be curiously old for a rebuilding team. Why? To what end? I'm not necessarily advocating for any of them to be handed a job. I'm all for some spring training competition. What I'm concerned about is that some of the younger guys will make the opening day roster but be given sporadic starts, which doesn't exactly set them up for success. Expand Don't worry, we can get some 17-year-old that, based on Getz's stellar record, will become a superstar by 2030, thus saving the fan base. Taylor, Tauchman, Slater, Drury and Rojas is a murderer's row, it's just that they'll be killing the Sox fandom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/12/2025 at 4:31 PM, Quin said: Don't worry, we can get some 17-year-old that, based on Getz's stellar record, will become a superstar by 2030, thus saving the fan base. Taylor, Tauchman, Slater, Drury and Rojas is a murderer's row, it's just that they'll be killing the Sox fandom. Expand Who knew playing guys like Fletcher everyday would save White Sox fandom! I'm sure when he's struggling like his entire career there will be a very rational approach to this. Edited February 12 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:31 PM, Quin said: Don't worry, we can get some 17-year-old that, based on Getz's stellar record, will become a superstar by 2030, thus saving the fan base. Taylor, Tauchman, Slater, Drury and Rojas is a murderer's row, it's just that they'll be killing the Sox fandom. Expand On his next team, after having been traded for a 35 year old middle reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:31 PM, Quin said: Don't worry, we can get some 17-year-old that, based on Getz's stellar record, will become a superstar by 2030, thus saving the fan base. Taylor, Tauchman, Slater, Drury and Rojas is a murderer's row, it's just that they'll be killing the Sox fandom. Expand Alternatively, Dominic Fletcher is Dominic Fletcher, but the prospect they get back for Taylor at the deadline can be anything. He can even be a Dominic Fletcher. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:37 PM, Baron said: Who knew playing guys like Fletcher everyday would save White Sox fandom! I'm sure when he's struggling like his entire career there will be a very rational approach to this. Expand I don't like Fletcher, but it's a lot easier to sell a plan for the future if half the lineup is under 30. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/12/2025 at 4:40 PM, Snopek said: Alternatively, Dominic Fletcher is Dominic Fletcher, but the prospect they get back for Taylor at the deadline can be anything. He can even be a Dominic Fletcher. Expand Good stuff. "It could even be a boat!" Edited February 12 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:40 PM, Quin said: I don't like Fletcher, but it's a lot easier to sell a plan for the future if half the lineup is under 30. Expand Is it? If he hasn't earned a damn thing and you give him the job out of spring training when he can't hit the broadside of a barn what message does that send to everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 6:08 AM, ChiSoxFanMike said: It would be one thing if they were bringing in veterans with actual upside as trade chips. But realistically, if a guy like Slater or Tauchman has a strong first half, what are they even going to get for them? Lotto tickets in Low A? These fringe guys like Colas, Fletcher, and DeLoach likely won’t amount to anything but this should be the year where they evaluate all these internal options. By the end of the season, they need to figure out who could be part of the future and who isn’t. Expand There is some value in not losing 121 games again. Not a ton where we should be making bad long-term decisions, but enough to hand a starting to guys unworthy of an opportunity IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:43 PM, Baron said: Is it? If he hasn't earned a damn thing and you give him the job out of spring training when he can't hit the broadside of a barn what message does that send to everyone? Expand That this is a team coming off of a 121 loss season and that it is more important to evaluate the players you have right now than to waste time on "flip" candidates who have no actual value like we did last year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/12/2025 at 4:47 PM, southsider2k5 said: That this is a team coming off of a 121 loss season and that it is more important to evaluate the players you have right now than to waste time on "flip" candidates who have no actual value like we did last year. Expand I'm sure they haven't done that for Fletcher yet. What year is it again? Also he's going to get time in Spring Training. Edited February 12 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:43 PM, Baron said: Is it? If he hasn't earned a damn thing and you give him the job out of spring training when he can't hit the broadside of a barn what message does that send to everyone? Expand Again, I'm not a fan of his. But Taylor can't reach the Mendoza line and Slater flirts with it like Boyers and the campfire milkshake. If Fletcher, DeLoach (assuming he clears waivers) and Colas aren't allowed to sink or swim - then what's the point? The team doesn't need to keep stockpiling no-bat outfielders over 30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:43 PM, Baron said: Is it? If he hasn't earned a damn thing and you give him the job out of spring training when he can't hit the broadside of a barn what message does that send to everyone? Expand It sends the message of "Be better than Fletcher, and take his job". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/12/2025 at 4:52 PM, Quin said: Again, I'm not a fan of his. But Taylor can't reach the Mendoza line and Slater flirts with it like Boyers and the campfire milkshake. If Fletcher, DeLoach (assuming he clears waivers) and Colas aren't allowed to sink or swim - then what's the point? The team doesn't need to keep stockpiling no-bat outfielders over 30. Expand They are going to be allowed in Spring Training. What's the probability of them actually doing anything in the month of Spring Training though? 10-15%? If it's that high? I'd rather Getz sign someone that can actually play in the outfield instead of rolling the dice with horrible chances of producing anything and then throwing your hands up. Going well these are our guys. They sucked in spring training but I'm sure 4 months of major league pitching will sort it out. Edited February 12 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:52 PM, Quin said: Again, I'm not a fan of his. But Taylor can't reach the Mendoza line and Slater flirts with it like Boyers and the campfire milkshake. If Fletcher, DeLoach (assuming he clears waivers) and Colas aren't allowed to sink or swim - then what's the point? The team doesn't need to keep stockpiling no-bat outfielders over 30. Expand This part right here. NONE of the guys we signed this winter will be around when this team hits .500 again, let alone when we might start to think about the P word again. It would be different if we actually invested in real flip candidates this winter, but we didn't. We invested in aged trash. Outside of injury, or ugly prolonged Maldonado type slumps, there aren't realistic scenarios where most of this guys provide any value at all to this franchise other than filling off days and injuries. Odds are most of these guys will have in the system won't amount to anything anyway, but the possibilities are way higher than any of the dumpster dive signings from this winter. Plus those guys actually have 5-6 years of control, vs zero for the rest. Even if you one of those three ends up as a bench player, that is SOMETHING answered for this franchise going forward. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 4:56 PM, WestEddy said: It sends the message of "Be better than Fletcher, and take his job". Expand Guess who hit last spring and emerged as the starting catcher? .129 .250 .290 .540 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/12/2025 at 3:55 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Robert to the Mets soon? Jett Williams plus what else? Expand If they trade with the Mets, they might as well take Baty as a change of scenery type. Nothing to lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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