southsider2k5 Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:17 PM, WestEddy said: MLBTR chat counterpoint: I think he's interesting. Again, 28 other teams took a pass. Expand Well sort of. 28 other teams didn't trade for him, but we have no idea how many claimed him. Mets could have jumped the line with cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/25/2025 at 9:17 PM, WestEddy said: MLBTR chat counterpoint: I think he's interesting. Again, 28 other teams took a pass. Expand 28 other teams all have better MLB rosters than the White Sox. The fact is that the Sox have one starting outfielder they want to salary dump, one starting outfielder they are going to trade the second he hits well enough, and a starting platoon of 32+ year old outfielders. They also have what looks like two reserve outfielders that will never be starters. Getz should have taken the chance on Canario, a corner outfielder with potentially big power. The Sox are the worst team in baseball. It made no sense not to. Beggars can’t be choosers. Edited February 25 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:06 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Of course not. I just don’t see the point in not trying someone new that is younger with power, when your options are a midget that has zero power and can’t hit and yet another Cuban player that the Sox are obviously sick of by now because he wears his glove on his head and doesn’t know what a relay throw is. Expand Those other prospects don’t require 26 man roster spots. If you don’t believe in Canario, then you don’t trade for him and create more roster problems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:17 PM, WestEddy said: MLBTR chat counterpoint: I think he's interesting. Again, 28 other teams took a pass. Expand Every team could have submitted a claim. It's just that no teams apparently offered what the Mets did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/25/2025 at 9:25 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: 28 other teams all have better MLB rosters than the White Sox. Beggars can’t be choosers. Expand If Slater and Taylor were in camp on MiLB deals (or just one with Robert traded), I would totally see the argument for trading for him. There just wasn't room to stash him on bench. Edited February 25 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:22 PM, southsider2k5 said: Well sort of. 28 other teams didn't trade for him, but we have no idea how many claimed him. Mets could have jumped the line with cash. Expand Isn’t that how DFA’s work, or am I wrong? The Cubs had 7 days to trade Canario to any interested team. If no team wanted to trade for Canario, Canario would have went to waivers. The Sox having the worst record last year would have had the first shot to claim him. However, the Mets jumped the gun on Canario going through waivers by trading cash considerations for him because they had an open roster spot pop up with Madrigal being sent to the 60-day IL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:26 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Those other prospects don’t require 26 man roster spots. If you don’t believe in Canario, then you don’t trade for him and create more roster problems. Expand I would have taken a chance on him over Fletcher. The Sox don’t even like Colas either. These guys meant nothing to the Sox last year but we are now expecting them to do something this year? If there is a team that could give Canario at bats, it’s the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:26 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Every team could have submitted a claim. It's just that no teams apparently offered what the Mets did. Expand And maybe they feel they're not a good fit for a guy with his profile. Do we have confidence that the Sox can fix a guy who strikes out at a 40% rate, yet? Nobody's really taking Tim Elko seriously as a major league hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/25/2025 at 9:36 PM, WestEddy said: And maybe they feel they're not a good fit for a guy with his profile. Do we have confidence that the Sox can fix a guy who strikes out at a 40% rate, yet? Nobody's really taking Tim Elko seriously as a major league hitter. Expand To the bolded: No. Definitely not. To the italicized: I feel like if they had non-tendered Vaughn in the off-season, I would have been cool giving Elko a shot. His time could come later with injuries though. Edited February 25 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Canario is a K machine, not sure anyone in this organization can fix that. Would have been fun to try, but I'm not losing sleep over it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:17 PM, WestEddy said: MLBTR chat counterpoint: I think he's interesting. Again, 28 other teams took a pass. Expand Thanks for sharing. Would still like to see the Sox claim him if they suffer any injuries to their outfield this ST and the Mets DFA him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/25/2025 at 9:50 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Thanks for sharing. Would still like to see the Sox claim him if they suffer any injuries to their outfield this ST and the Mets DFA him again. Expand I think he sticks on the Mets as backup OF/platoon DH with Winker and Marte is the one who is DFA'd. Dude is moved to the bench, always hurt, and in the last year of his deal. Edited February 25 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/25/2025 at 9:17 PM, WestEddy said: MLBTR chat counterpoint: I think he's interesting. Again, 28 other teams took a pass. Expand The White Sox were the worst team of all time, completely devoid of position talent and upside, so we probably don't want to compare ourselves to anyone else. Edited February 25 by Look at Ray Ray Run 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 8:58 PM, Capn12 said: I would argue, Vargas has shown even LESS at the level it matters at, than Ramos, in almost 600+ PAs. That isn't to say, I don't want Vargas to succeed. I hope he puts it all together. But, to anoint the position on him mid February is a tad egregious overall. We'll see, once everyone is healthy. Expand He didn't have those 600 AB with the Sox . Your stance while admirable judges a guy who is on his last legs because of his options . I don't like to use words like "stupid" to describe how not giving Vargas this last opportunity would be like someone else did but Ramos is just going to wait his turn . Who the hell else would you say would be the leading candidate to get the majority ABs at 3rd ? I'm sure Venable thought he was giving the most logical answer given the options ( no pun intended). When you're really bad you're walking a fine line between wins and hard choices regarding young players who have run out of chances and MUST play NOW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:08 PM, fathom said: I would take Canario over Vargas or Fletcher in a heartbeat. Expand I’d 100% take Vargas over Canario. Fletcher would be a different debate, but the lack of options do matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I am literally 100% confident that if the Sox acquired Canario and he continued to be what he has been, there'd be no shortage of complaints about how the Sox have learned nothing about falling in love with guys with limited contact skills, and how "typical White Sox" it is to give up on [whoever they DFA'd/traded] for a 30 hit tool profile, and how every other team passed on him for a reason and "only the Sox" would be stupid enough to give something up for him. Did the same thing last spring with guys like Peyton Burdick and Canaan Smith-Njigba who oscillated between being stupid to claim/not claim based almost entirely upon the assumption that whatever the Sox did was "obviously" wrong, as if players like these aren't running through a new team's waiver wire every week in spring for a reason. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:54 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: He didn't have those 600 AB with the Sox . Your stance while admirable judges a guy who is on his last legs because of his options . I don't like to use words like "stupid" to describe how not giving Vargas this last opportunity would be like someone else did but Ramos is just going to wait his turn . Who the hell else would you say would be the leading candidate to get the majority ABs at 3rd ? I'm sure Venable thought he was giving the most logical answer given the options ( no pun intended). When you're really bad you're walking a fine line between wins and hard choices regarding young players who have run out of chances and MUST play NOW. Expand I’m not disagreeing with Vargas getting ABs….he absolutely has to play and play a lot. I just think 3B isn’t the answer for him and this team. We will see how it shakes out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/25/2025 at 10:02 PM, Autumn Dreamin said: I am literally 100% confident that if the Sox acquired Canario and he continued to be what he has been, there'd be no shortage of complaints about how the Sox have learned nothing about falling in love with guys with limited contact skills, and how "typical White Sox" it is to give up on [whoever they DFA'd/traded] for a 30 hit tool profile, and how every other team passed on him for a reason and "only the Sox" would be stupid enough to give something up for him. Did the same thing last spring with guys like Peyton Burdick and Canaan Smith-Njigba who oscillated between being stupid to claim/not claim based almost entirely upon the assumption that whatever the Sox did was "obviously" wrong, as if players like these aren't running through a new team's waiver wire every week in spring for a reason. Expand This is where Hahn was actually pretty good with roster management during the first rebuild. He would acquire every decently hyped former prospect and just cycle through them, because why not? Your team blows and you have the opportunity to try guys. Let’s be honest, Fletcher and Colas are going nowhere with this team. You don’t acquire a 32+ year old RF platoon of cheap veterans if you have any faith in Fletcher and Colas. Edited February 25 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 10:01 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I’d 100% take Vargas over Canario. Fletcher would be a different debate, but the lack of options do matter. Expand Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 10:02 PM, Autumn Dreamin said: I am literally 100% confident that if the Sox acquired Canario and he continued to be what he has been, there'd be no shortage of complaints about how the Sox have learned nothing about falling in love with guys with limited contact skills, and how "typical White Sox" it is to give up on [whoever they DFA'd/traded] for a 30 hit tool profile, and how every other team passed on him for a reason and "only the Sox" would be stupid enough to give something up for him. Did the same thing last spring with guys like Peyton Burdick and Canaan Smith-Njigba who oscillated between being stupid to claim/not claim based almost entirely upon the assumption that whatever the Sox did was "obviously" wrong, as if players like these aren't running through a new team's waiver wire every week in spring for a reason. Expand But hey, 121 losses happened, and my referencing that elevates anything I suggest to Einsteinian levels of brilliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 5:37 PM, southsider2k5 said: Why screw up a perfect thing? Expand Do you really want to ask that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 10:02 PM, Autumn Dreamin said: I am literally 100% confident that if the Sox acquired Canario and he continued to be what he has been, there'd be no shortage of complaints about how the Sox have learned nothing about falling in love with guys with limited contact skills, and how "typical White Sox" it is to give up on [whoever they DFA'd/traded] for a 30 hit tool profile, and how every other team passed on him for a reason and "only the Sox" would be stupid enough to give something up for him. Did the same thing last spring with guys like Peyton Burdick and Canaan Smith-Njigba who oscillated between being stupid to claim/not claim based almost entirely upon the assumption that whatever the Sox did was "obviously" wrong, as if players like these aren't running through a new team's waiver wire every week in spring for a reason. Expand My problem with that is that if the Sox STILL can't fix flawed hitters with talent, this rebuild isn't going anywhere, anyway. Right now they are loaded with flawed hitters with minimal talent all over this roster. Let the fans say what they want, and lord knows what they will, but the Sox should be finding ceilings while they have time to play anyone and everyone. No more 35 year old utility guys who can't hit or field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:34 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: I would have taken a chance on him over Fletcher. The Sox don’t even like Colas either. These guys meant nothing to the Sox last year but we are now expecting them to do something this year? If there is a team that could give Canario at bats, it’s the Sox. Expand Colas & Fletcher are irrelevant here because they aren’t making the OD roster (short of injury) and have minor league options. Additionally, Getz wasn’t going to cut Tauchman, Slater, or Taylor this early into camp. I think it’s totally fair to prefer a younger option to those guys, but the reality is he isn’t going to cut them before they even get a shot. Hell, we just signed Taylor like a week ago. Also, I would just point out that the odds of Canario making the Mets’ OD roster are slim and they will likely try to sneak him through waivers. There is always a chance for us claim him at that point. But honestly, I’m guessing we just don’t believe in the contact profile and would prefer not creating another massive hole that could lead to another 120 loss season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 10:22 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Colas & Fletcher are irrelevant here because they aren’t making the OD roster (short of injury) and have minor league options. Additionally, Getz wasn’t going to cut Tauchman, Slater, or Taylor this early into camp. I think it’s totally fair to prefer a younger option to those guys, but the reality is he isn’t going to cut them before they even get a shot. Hell, we just signed Taylor like a week ago. Also, I would just point out that the odds of Canario making the Mets’ OD roster are slim and they will likely try to sneak him through waivers. There is always a chance for us claim him at that point. But honestly, I’m guessing we just don’t believe in the contact profile and would prefer not creating another massive hole that could lead to another 120 loss season. Expand We could already be right around there and it wouldn’t be Canario’s fault either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 9:54 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: He didn't have those 600 AB with the Sox . Your stance while admirable judges a guy who is on his last legs because of his options . I don't like to use words like "stupid" to describe how not giving Vargas this last opportunity would be like someone else did but Ramos is just going to wait his turn . Who the hell else would you say would be the leading candidate to get the majority ABs at 3rd ? I'm sure Venable thought he was giving the most logical answer given the options ( no pun intended). When you're really bad you're walking a fine line between wins and hard choices regarding young players who have run out of chances and MUST play NOW. Expand So you think the centerpiece of a Fedde/Kopech trade just seven months ago should be cut bait because of two bad months with the Sox? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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