Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 10:25 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: We could already be right around there and it wouldn’t be Canario’s fault either way. Expand Getting 2 wins out of RF next year would be a 4 win improvement vs. 2024. I am all for playing young guys where possible, but you can’t force the issue by inserting a guy you don’t believe in into the lineup. Just being “young” is not justification to be given playing time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 10:25 PM, Chicago White Sox said: So you think the centerpiece of a Fedde/Kopech trade just seven months ago should be cut bait because of two bad months with the Sox? Expand I think Cali is defending Venable for his answer, and then asking who else should get PAs at 3rd. He doesn't seem to be saying to cut Vargas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) I can't argue against Vargas getting majority of the playing time at 3B. One time former top prospect should be playing there in a lost year. Ramos can wait his turn. I think its weird that they signed a 3B, who's best attribute is his defense at 3B, to play 2B. He may be the backup, but again, we do have depth at those 2 spots. Need a little more coverage at SS by someone at least average there defensively. Not a lot of money and he probably doesn't survive the season so it's whatever. Edited February 25 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/25/2025 at 10:25 PM, Chicago White Sox said: So you think the centerpiece of a Fedde/Kopech trade just seven months ago should be cut bait because of two bad months with the Sox? Expand When did I say that ? I wasnt being sarcastic. I was sticking up for your points. There is a pecking order and I have always maintained in numerous posts that Vargas and Sosa are at the top. I have no idea how you misinterpreted that post . Edited February 25 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 11:07 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: When did I say that ? I wasnt being sarcastic. I was sticking up for your points. There is a pecking order and I have always maintained in numerous posts that Vargas and Sosa are at the top. Expand Oh gotcha…I read it as you were saying it wasn’t stupid to cut bait on Vargas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 11:08 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Oh gotcha…I read it as you were saying it wasn’t stupid to cut bait on Vargas. Expand No I was saying that you called it stupid but I wouldn't use that word because it's like youre calling the other person stupid because their argument is stupid and that makes it personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/25/2025 at 11:15 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: No I was saying that you called it stupid but I wouldn't use that word because it's like youre calling the other person stupid because their argument is stupid and that makes it personal. Expand My point was the Sox would be stupid if they changed their evaluation of Vargas that quickly, especially when they knew he didn’t have options. If they were willing to admit they missed that bad that fast, then they should fire Gene Watson immediately for being an incompetent boob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Sounds like no subscription required if you're in area. Also free game of the day on MLBTV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 12:05 AM, Autumn Dreamin said: Sounds like no subscription required if you're in area. Also free game of the day on MLBTV. Expand Granted this is a lot of "if" but... If some of these kid pitchers are the real deal... If they can stay healthy... With new Sox ownership, maybe in four or five years they won't automatically be looking to trade them because they may actually be willing to take a risk and sign them to longer deals/extensions. One can only dream. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) On 2/26/2025 at 1:18 AM, Lip Man 1 said: Granted this is a lot of "if" but... If some of these kid pitchers are the real deal... If they can stay healthy... With new Sox ownership, maybe in four or five years they won't automatically be looking to trade them because they may actually be willing to take a risk and sign them to longer deals/extensions. One can only dream. Expand Cannon and Thorpe right now (before the Big 3) are the only even 50/50 possibilities sticking around. Martin seems likely to be traded. Perez for sure will be traded if he's anywhere close to second half 2024 results with the Padres. Wilson if they don't need to keep him to eat innings and protect the next wave. Scholtens...not even sure he's long for baseball, let alone representing any type of trade value when/if he returns. But the next wave is Iriarte, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, Nastrini, Carela, Eder (likely a reliever from all indications)...Berroa, but he might already be out (with elbow injury) and he's once again more likely a reliever. There are a LOT of dudes and the overall depth seems better, but what's the actual quality of that depth? Edited February 26 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 2:26 AM, caulfield12 said: Cannon and Thorpe right now (before the Big 3) are the only even 50/50 possibilities sticking around. Martin seems likely to be traded. Perez for sure will be traded if he's anywhere close to second half 2024 results with the Padres. Wilson if they don't need to keep him to eat innings and protect the next wave. Scholtens...not even sure he's long for baseball, let alone representing any type of trade value when/if he returns. But the next wave is Iriarte, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, Nastrini, Carela, Eder (likely a reliever from all indications)...Berroa, but he might already be out (with elbow injury) and he's once again more likely a reliever. There are a LOT of dudes and the overall depth seems better, but what's the actual quality of that depth? Expand Sean Burke says, Hi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 2:26 AM, caulfield12 said: Cannon and Thorpe right now (before the Big 3) are the only even 50/50 possibilities sticking around. Martin seems likely to be traded. Perez for sure will be traded if he's anywhere close to second half 2024 results with the Padres. Wilson if they don't need to keep him to eat innings and protect the next wave. Scholtens...not even sure he's long for baseball, let alone representing any type of trade value when/if he returns. But the next wave is Iriarte, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, Nastrini, Carela, Eder (likely a reliever from all indications)...Berroa, but he might already be out (with elbow injury) and he's once again more likely a reliever. There are a LOT of dudes and the overall depth seems better, but what's the actual quality of that depth? Expand Berroa is 100% a reliever. This is just the list of dudes in AAA and above who will likely make starts this year: Davis Martin Jonathan Cannon Martin Perez Sean Burke Bryse Wilson Shane Smith Drew Thorpe Nick Nastrini Jairo Iriarte Mason Adams Owen White That seems like pretty good depth for one season before the Big 3 and other arms start hitting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 2:44 AM, Chicago White Sox said: Berroa is 100% a reliever. This is just the list of dudes in AAA and above who will likely make starts this year: Davis Martin Jonathan Cannon Martin Perez Sean Burke Bryse Wilson Shane Smith Drew Thorpe Nick Nastrini Jairo Iriarte Mason Adams Owen White That seems like pretty good depth for one season before the Big 3 and other arms start hitting. Expand You ranked Smith that high because he has to stay on the roster or be offered back...or you're unsure about Thorpe's long-term viability as a starter/health/injury status? Or both? Nastrini arguably could be lower than Iriarte, but that's not really a big difference obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 2:46 AM, caulfield12 said: You ranked Smith that high because he has to stay on the roster or be offered back...or you're unsure about Thorpe's long-term viability as a starter/health/injury status? Or both? Nastrini arguably could be lower than Iriarte, but that's not really a big difference obviously. Expand I believe he listed out people who will "make starts" this year. Thorpe will probably start the season on rehab. There will be double-headers. There will be trades. There will be injuries and fatigue. I'd say 13-14 pitchers made "starts" for the Sox last year. (non-bullpen games) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 2:46 AM, caulfield12 said: You ranked Smith that high because he has to stay on the roster or be offered back...or you're unsure about Thorpe's long-term viability as a starter/health/injury status? Or both? Nastrini arguably could be lower than Iriarte, but that's not really a big difference obviously. Expand It was honestly just about immediate likelihood of grabbing a role. Smith would be second to last if the list was based on ability to retain a role long term. My point is we can easily survive trading Davis Martin and covering the innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 2:26 AM, caulfield12 said: Cannon and Thorpe right now (before the Big 3) are the only even 50/50 possibilities sticking around. Martin seems likely to be traded. Perez for sure will be traded if he's anywhere close to second half 2024 results with the Padres. Wilson if they don't need to keep him to eat innings and protect the next wave. Scholtens...not even sure he's long for baseball, let alone representing any type of trade value when/if he returns. But the next wave is Iriarte, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, Nastrini, Carela, Eder (likely a reliever from all indications)...Berroa, but he might already be out (with elbow injury) and he's once again more likely a reliever. There are a LOT of dudes and the overall depth seems better, but what's the actual quality of that depth? Expand I was specifically referring to Schultz, Hagen and Taylor myself, that's why I said in four or five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Good pitching on deck today, looking forward to seeing Schultz/Hagen/Burke today I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 After a three-up, three-down second, Sasaki seemed to lose some steam in the third inning, bookending a well-struck drive from White Sox prospect Tim Elko with a pair of walks to end his outing. Get tickets: Dick Allen bobble, Comiskey Park radio & much more "It's exciting for those guys to compete against Sasaki and the other pitchers today," White Sox director of player development Paul Janish said. "Pretty cool to be part of the first time [Sasaki] faced opposing hitters. We are hopeful both of those guys (Teel/Elko) give themselves a chance to play in the Major Leagues this season." mlb.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kitekrazy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/26/2025 at 1:18 AM, Lip Man 1 said: Granted this is a lot of "if" but... If some of these kid pitchers are the real deal... If they can stay healthy... With new Sox ownership, maybe in four or five years they won't automatically be looking to trade them because they may actually be willing to take a risk and sign them to longer deals/extensions. One can only dream. Expand If they can't scout and develop position players........they will be trading them and of course they will draft pitchers and let the cycle repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Sacamano Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/27/2025 at 2:24 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Expand Burke feels like a lock for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/27/2025 at 2:33 AM, Bob Sacamano said: Burke feels like a lock for sure. Expand I would probably start the season with Wilson in the rotation as well. If he can put up a good first half of starts, I’ve gotta think he could net a decent prospect considering he is only earning $1.05 million this year and isn’t a free agent until 2027. Wilson is arbitration eligible next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/26/2025 at 7:43 PM, Autumn Dreamin said: Expand You have to get on base first in order to steal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/27/2025 at 2:44 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: I would probably start the season with Wilson in the rotation as well. If he can put up a good first half of starts, I’ve gotta think he could net a decent prospect considering he is only earning $1.05 million this year and isn’t a free agent until 2027. Wilson is arbitration eligible next offseason. Expand How does that work then if he signed a one year deal this offseason? The Sox can still retain him via arbitration for 2026 if they chose to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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