WhiteSox2023 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) On 2/13/2025 at 1:29 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: 3/120 is significantly better. Good on him Expand Agreed, but it could go either way. If he was a couple years older, I’d say take the guaranteed years and money from Houston. Will he still be good enough at age 33 to make $36+ million more? Perhaps. He’s rich either way but he’s betting on himself. Edited February 13 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 1:31 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed, but it could go either way. If he was a couple years older, I’d say take the guaranteed money from Houston. Will he still be good enough at age 33 to make $36+ million more? Perhaps. Expand He just has to be 'okay' to receive 3/36 at is next contract. That's less than Profar and Joc Pederson just got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) On 2/13/2025 at 1:33 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: He just has to be 'okay' to receive 3/36 at is next contract. That's less than Profar and Joc Pederson just got Expand True. Think about how much more ridiculous free agent money will be in 3 years, especially when good (not great) players like Profar and Joc get paid what they did now. As long as Bregman doesn’t fall off a cliff (injuries or performance), he should do well. Edited February 13 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 (edited) On 2/13/2025 at 1:31 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed, but it could go either way. If he was a couple years older, I’d say take the guaranteed years and money from Houston. Will he still be good enough at age 33 to make $36+ million more? Perhaps. He’s rich either way but he’s betting on himself. Expand Total gap is less than that if there's no deferrals in either case. Edited February 13 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 1:39 PM, Buehrle>Wood said: Total gap is less than that if there's no deferrals in either case. Expand Looks like Bregman also has opt-outs after the 2025 and 2026 seasons so if he has a monster year in either of the next two seasons, he can become a free agent again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 6:56 AM, Chisoxfn said: The upcoming lockout is going to be brutal - I think it will be worse than 94. Expand Rosenthal in the Athletic today: Rosenthal: MLB owners taking a hard-line stance on a salary cap would be a mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 7:49 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Sadly, they are likely better off without him in the long run at this price and the fact that they have Matt Shaw. Nightengale said their final offer was 4/$120. $40 million AAV for Bregman is crazy money. Also, not spending this money on Bregman could help them resign Kyle Tucker next offseason. Expand A good chunk of Bregman's salary is deferred plus it's a shorter term deal. Cubs could've found time for Shaw at 3B/1B/DH or used him to find pitching help. I'm also not convinced a 5'9" third baseman is going to produce, good minors numbers or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 6:48 PM, almagest said: A good chunk of Bregman's salary is deferred plus it's a shorter term deal. Cubs could've found time for Shaw at 3B/1B/DH or used him to find pitching help. I'm also not convinced a 5'9" third baseman is going to produce, good minors numbers or not. Expand I think the idea is they would keep him down in minors, get the extra year of control, and then maybe use him semi-regularly around the infield. Or a trade of Nico Hoerner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 7:04 PM, Bob Sacamano said: I think the idea is they would keep him down in minors, get the extra year of control, and then maybe use him semi-regularly around the infield. Or a trade of Nico Hoerner. Expand Gage Workman and Jon Berti might not be enough...to replace Hoerner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 7:17 PM, caulfield12 said: Gage Workman and Jon Berti might not be enough...to replace Hoerner. Expand Who's talking about either of those guys? I'm saying if they signed Bregman (or add someone else now) and moved Shaw back to his natural position of 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 7:19 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Who's talking about either of those guys? I'm saying if they signed Bregman (or add someone else now) and moved Shaw back to his natural position of 2B. Expand A lot of speculation Bregman was going to be moving to 2B with Altuve to LF had he stayed in Houston. Shaw will be much better than Morel Paredes Candelario at third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 7:22 PM, caulfield12 said: A lot of speculation Bregman was going to be moving to 2B with Altuve to LF had he stayed in Houston. Shaw will be much better than Morel Paredes Candelario at third. Expand ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 It’s easy to see the Red Sox’s vision for plenty of doubles and pull-side homers. In fact, in 21 career games at Fenway, Bregman is slashing .375/.490/.750 with nine doubles, seven homers and 15 RBI. His 1.240 OPS at Fenway is his highest at any ballpark (minimum 20 games). The Red Sox came into this offseason looking to be part of the Juan Soto sweepstakes. Since then, they have pivoted and put together one of the more complete lineups in baseball. Bregman’s addition gives Boston the big right-handed bat they’d been seeking since the beginning of the winter, and he can slot in with Jarren Duran and Rafael Devers at the top of the lineup, providing Devers plenty of protection. Defensively, Bregman has been a third baseman his entire career, but according to reports, he will shift to second base with the Red Sox, allowing Devers to stay at third, at least for the time being. Bregman has appeared at second in his big-league career, but not since 2018. https://sports.yahoo.com/alex-bregmans-new-deal-puts-the-cherry-on-top-of-a-big-offseason-for-the-red-sox-183951885.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Kristian Campbell’s chances of making the Opening Day roster seemed good when he arrived in Fort Myers earlier this month. They lessened significantly Wednesday, quite obviously. Campbell’s versatility (he played four different positions in 2024) still makes it possible he’s with the Red Sox in late March. But the Bregman addition will allow them to proceed with caution when it comes to Campbell, who while checking every box in the minors so far, has just 601 plate appearances as a professional. Expect Campbell — who was expected to compete at second base throughout camp before the Bregman addition — to get reps in different spots in spring training. There’s a real path to playing time in left field if Ceddanne Rafaela struggles and Jarren Duran plays center, though Roman Anthony’s existence further complicates things. Bregman’s deal is further proof of Boston’s organizational desire to not have its top prospects feel like they have to carry the 2025 team. And the structure of it, on what could very well be a high-dollar one-year deal — doesn’t block Campbell in the long-term. https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2025/02/how-alex-bregman-red-sox-signing-impacts-kristian-campbell-rafael-devers-others.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 With the way FA contracts are trending, do you think we will ever see the White Sox sign a player to a 100+ million contract under JR ownership? Just assume he is the owner for 5 more years, it has to happen right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/14/2025 at 8:23 PM, T R U said: With the way FA contracts are trending, do you think we will ever see the White Sox sign a player to a 100+ million contract under JR ownership? Just assume he is the owner for 5 more years, it has to happen right? Expand No chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/14/2025 at 8:23 PM, T R U said: With the way FA contracts are trending, do you think we will ever see the White Sox sign a player to a 100+ million contract under JR ownership? Just assume he is the owner for 5 more years, it has to happen right? Expand It will not happen under JR, it goes against his core philosophy. He does not feel that any baseball player is worth that kind of money which is why he has done everything he could over the decades to get a salary cap installed in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/14/2025 at 8:23 PM, T R U said: With the way FA contracts are trending, do you think we will ever see the White Sox sign a player to a 100+ million contract under JR ownership? Just assume he is the owner for 5 more years, it has to happen right? Expand What's crazy is $100 million is 14.3% of the highest contract issued right now. It isn't even THAT big of a deal anymore. Most teams have given out multiple contracts of this size, many have given out $200/300 million contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/14/2025 at 8:48 PM, southsider2k5 said: What's crazy is $100 million is 14.3% of the highest contract issued right now. It isn't even THAT big of a deal anymore. Most teams have given out multiple contracts of this size, many have given out $200/300 million contracts. Expand The A's are closing in on the Sox. Severino at $67 million and Rooker at $60 million this offseason. The Sox eventually will be the only franchise left after Pitt/Reynolds passed that mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) On 2/13/2025 at 3:38 AM, Buehrle>Wood said: Per espn Expand This does not seem like a great idea. For the Red Sox that is. Edited February 15 by FloydBannister1983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/14/2025 at 8:40 PM, Lip Man 1 said: It will not happen under JR, it goes against his core philosophy. He does not feel that any baseball player is worth that kind of money which is why he has done everything he could over the decades to get a salary cap installed in MLB. Expand He has literally made multiple $100M offers, so this is entirely untrue. And him wanted a salary cap makes sense…90% of MLB owners should want one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/14/2025 at 8:40 PM, Lip Man 1 said: It will not happen under JR, it goes against his core philosophy. He does not feel that any baseball player is worth that kind of money which is why he has done everything he could over the decades to get a salary cap installed in MLB. Expand Half wondering if a player will sign a $100M+ / year contract before a JR-owned team signs a player to a $100M+ total contract. I mean, Ohtani is (deferred, but still) making $70M…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/14/2025 at 8:23 PM, T R U said: With the way FA contracts are trending, do you think we will ever see the White Sox sign a player to a 100+ million contract under JR ownership? Just assume he is the owner for 5 more years, it has to happen right? Expand I will say no just because you have to find the right player who warrants such a contract and won’t be in demand enough so we can actually land. I definitely think it’s possible and would be more likely if we had three full off-seasons of trying to compete but not sure we’ll be competent soon enough for that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/15/2025 at 6:09 PM, Chicago White Sox said: He has literally made multiple $100M offers, so this is entirely untrue. And him wanted a salary cap makes sense…90% of MLB owners should want one. Expand Machado we kept sabotaging those deals over extra years and incentives on the final decline years. Harper not really. Wheeler signed for $80-90 million that first Phillies contract. Masahiro Tanaka...??? It was claimed we made second or third highest bid. A-Rod to Rangers deal...distant second or third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/15/2025 at 7:12 PM, caulfield12 said: Machado we kept sabotaging those deals over extra years and incentives on the final decline years. Harper not really. Wheeler signed for $80-90 million that first Phillies contract. Masahiro Tanaka...??? It was claimed we made second or third highest bid. A-Rod to Rangers deal...distant second or third. Expand Wheeler signed a 5/$118M deal, one that we topped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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