WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 2:11 AM, Balta1701 said: The thing is that Rick Hahn would actually have wanted that leaked because people would bring that up for years to prove they were real players for a free agent, after the Machado fiasco. And look what happens, it’s repeated forever based solely on an anonymous leak, which totally didn’t come from Rick Hahn. Expand It's not an anonymous leak. Wheeler and his agent have verified that bit. I've given you 3 examples of that. Your hatred is so deep-seated that you argue with reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 2:18 AM, WestEddy said: It's not an anonymous leak. Wheeler and his agent have verified that bit. I've given you 3 examples of that. Your hatred is so deep-seated that you argue with reality. Expand And it’s exactly what Hahn would have leaked it to accomplish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 2:21 AM, Balta1701 said: And it’s exactly what Hahn would have leaked it to accomplish. Expand Show any evidence of that, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) On 2/16/2025 at 1:10 AM, WestEddy said: These guys will do or say anything just to not admit their inane narrative is BS. Expand Dude, you are fucking flexing on a player that the Sox didn’t sign. 5/$75. The White Sox are literally as pathetic as only one other team in all of baseball in their max contract — the Athletics. Does that impress you? I know one thing — Wheeler didn’t sign with the White Sox and definitely made the best decision by not doing so. 🤣🤣🤣 Edited February 16 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) On 2/16/2025 at 2:38 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Dude, you are fucking flexing on a player that the Sox didn’t sign. 5/$75. The White Sox are literally as pathetic as only one other team in all of baseball in their max contract — the Athletics. Does that impress you? 🤣🤣🤣 Expand Posting evidence to disprove BS isn't really "flexing". You're just proving my statement. This is like the 3rd or 4th time that somebody has posted news stories where Wheeler verifies that the Sox offered more money than the Phillies, and he took less to go to Philadelphia. And sure enough, next time, you guys dig in and play these pedantic word games, and deflect about Benintendi's contract, all in the service of not admitting that the Sox have offered $100M contracts to players. Just admit it and move on. Edited February 16 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) On 2/16/2025 at 2:40 AM, WestEddy said: Posting evidence to disprove BS isn't really "flexing". You're just proving my statement. Expand 5/$75. We are in the basement with the A’s. Does that impress you? An offer isn’t a contract. Do you agree that 5/$75 is pathetic and embarrassing? Edited February 16 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 2:42 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: 5/$75. We are in the basement with the A’s. Does that impress you? An offer isn’t a contract. Do you agree that 5/$75 is pathetic and embarrassing? Expand None of this means anything. Here's what Liptak wrote to start this whole thing off, again: "It ($100M contract) will not happen under JR, it goes against his core philosophy. He does not feel that any baseball player is worth that kind of money which is why he has done everything he could over the decades to get a salary cap installed in MLB." It did happen. They offered Wheeler $125M, which was more than he accepted from the Phillies. Do you think you're impressing people by lying and digging in to defend a lie? I guess you make your own choices about what's important to you. Lying seems to be a priority in your activity, here. I have no idea why you keep using the word "flexing". You're trying to change the subject to avoid being wrong. Telling the truth and offering evidence of it isn't "flexing". Benintendi's contract did exactly what a bunch of mopes here cry for. He was given much more in money and years than his production called for, just to get a player signed. You think the Sox should have bid against themselves and overpaid to get Wheeler. Yes, I agree that Benintendi's contract is a pathetic and embarrassing overpay of a player just to silence people like yourself who scream whatever sports radio tells you to want. Instead of flexing over payroll, you should evaluate your own behavior. Why do you want the White Sox to grossly overpay for substandard players? Maybe you actually wanted Michael A. Taylor signed for 3/$45M, just to prove they "want to win". That would be stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 2:55 AM, WestEddy said: None of this means anything. Here's what Liptak wrote to start this whole thing off, again: "It ($100M contract) will not happen under JR, it goes against his core philosophy. He does not feel that any baseball player is worth that kind of money which is why he has done everything he could over the decades to get a salary cap installed in MLB." It did happen. They offered Wheeler $125M, which was more than he accepted from the Phillies. Do you think you're impressing people by lying and digging in to defend a lie? I guess you make your own choices about what's important to you. Lying seems to be a priority in your activity, here. I have no idea why you keep using the word "flexing". You're trying to change the subject to avoid being wrong. Telling the truth and offering evidence of it isn't "flexing". Benintendi's contract did exactly what a bunch of mopes here cry for. He was given much more in money and years than his production called for, just to get a player signed. You think the Sox should have bid against themselves and overpaid to get Wheeler. Yes, I agree that Benintendi's contract is a pathetic and embarrassing overpay of a player just to silence people like yourself who scream whatever sports radio tells you to want. Instead of flexing over payroll, you should evaluate your own behavior. Why do you want the White Sox to grossly overpay for substandard players? Maybe you actually wanted Michael A. Taylor signed for 3/$45M, just to prove they "want to win". That would be stupid. Expand Where did you see this specified? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 12:44 AM, WestEddy said: Here's Zach Wheeler talking about it with AJ Pierzynski. You guys keep talking about threads being ruined with the same argument over and over. Stop ruining them. Accept reality, and move on. Expand But Hahn has blackmail on Wheeler and forced him to say this! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Here's the fun part. While we go round and round in this meaningless contract circle jerk, even if you were to give the 5/125 to the White Sox it would move them past Cleveland and Pittsburgh in terms of their biggest contracts ever awarded, so instead of 29th, they'd be 27th. Every post on this discussion is a waste of time as it effectively changes nothing no matter who is "right". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 It wasn’t even leaked by the White Sox initially though, it was leaked by the agent. The Sox signed Grandal and then they offered Wheeler 5/125. The agent reportedly told Hahn that they had a deal. Wheeler’s wife preferred the East coast and Wheeler took 5/118 from Philly instead. The agent leaked to media that Sox had highest offer because of future clients and a good relationship with Sox. s%*# happens. The pivot to Keuchel and Encarnacion didn’t work out obviously. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) On 2/16/2025 at 2:55 AM, WestEddy said: None of this means anything. Here's what Liptak wrote to start this whole thing off, again: "It ($100M contract) will not happen under JR, it goes against his core philosophy. He does not feel that any baseball player is worth that kind of money which is why he has done everything he could over the decades to get a salary cap installed in MLB." It did happen. They offered Wheeler $125M, which was more than he accepted from the Phillies. Do you think you're impressing people by lying and digging in to defend a lie? I guess you make your own choices about what's important to you. Lying seems to be a priority in your activity, here. I have no idea why you keep using the word "flexing". You're trying to change the subject to avoid being wrong. Telling the truth and offering evidence of it isn't "flexing". Benintendi's contract did exactly what a bunch of mopes here cry for. He was given much more in money and years than his production called for, just to get a player signed. You think the Sox should have bid against themselves and overpaid to get Wheeler. Yes, I agree that Benintendi's contract is a pathetic and embarrassing overpay of a player just to silence people like yourself who scream whatever sports radio tells you to want. Instead of flexing over payroll, you should evaluate your own behavior. Why do you want the White Sox to grossly overpay for substandard players? Maybe you actually wanted Michael A. Taylor signed for 3/$45M, just to prove they "want to win". That would be stupid. Expand It didn’t happen. An offer isn’t a contract. The fact remains… 5/$75. Period. Do Blue Jays fans still give credit to their team for trying but failing to sign Ohtani? No. A failed signing is just that — a whiff, a failure. No one cares. No one wants to overpay bad players. I don’t see anywhere in this thread where anyone claimed that the Benintendi signing was great. But continue on with your stupid hyperbole and lies about what I said about Michael A. Taylor. I wanted the Sox to sign him last offseason for $3 to $4 million dollars as a flip candidate. Well, he sucked bad and the Sox just gave him $2 million this offseason instead. Why you think this is some sort of burn, I’ll never know. You continue making excuses for a bad, cheap owner and team — “The Sox last big contract was bad so they are justified in never giving out big contracts!” No. The problem is with the awful GMs that Jerry hires picking the wrong players to sign. And it doesn’t matter anyways. SS2K5 nailed it here. So while you continue to fantasize about a contract offer that was never formalized, remember that the Sox would still be in the minority of cheapskate teams even had Wheeler accepted it. On 2/16/2025 at 4:23 AM, southsider2k5 said: Here's the fun part. While we go round and round in this meaningless contract circle jerk, even if you were to give the 5/125 to the White Sox it would move them past Cleveland and Pittsburgh in terms of their biggest contracts ever awarded, so instead of 29th, they'd be 27th. Every post on this discussion is a waste of time as it effectively changes nothing no matter who is "right". Expand Edited February 16 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 12:16 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: It didn’t happen. An offer isn’t a contract. The fact remains… 5/$75. Period. Do Blue Jays fans still give credit to their team for trying but failing to sign Ohtani? No. A failed signing is just that — a whiff, a failure. No one cares. No one wants to overpay bad players. I don’t see anywhere in this thread where anyone claimed that the Benintendi signing was great. But continue on with your stupid hyperbole and lies about what I said about Michael A. Taylor. I wanted the Sox to sign him last offseason for $3 to $4 million dollars as a flip candidate. Well, he sucked bad and the Sox just gave him $2 million this offseason instead. Why you think this is some sort of burn, I’ll never know. You continue making excuses for a bad, cheap owner and team — “The Sox last big contract was bad so they are justified in never giving out big contracts!” No. The problem is with the awful GMs that Jerry hires picking the wrong players to sign. And it doesn’t matter anyways. SS2K5 nailed it here. So while you continue to fantasize about a contract offer that was never formalized, remember that the Sox would still be in the minority of cheapskate teams even had Wheeler accepted it. Expand The bottom line is that 5/75 in the largest contract in franchise history. They’ve offered other players over $100 million but that doesn’t really matter. They’ll offer players over $100 million again and I’d bet that Chris Getz is the GM who signs multiple $100 million contracts. They have no money on the books going forward. They’ll use free agency again. The biggest issue is that he’ll need to build a team of homegrown players at premium positions because ownership will never spend at the top of the market for star players. There are ways around that but you have to be really good at scouting and development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 1:38 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: The bottom line is that 5/75 in the largest contract in franchise history. They’ve offered other players over $100 million but that doesn’t really matter. They’ll offer players over $100 million again and I’d bet that Chris Getz is the GM who signs multiple $100 million contracts. They have no money on the books going forward. They’ll use free agency again. The biggest issue is that he’ll need to build a team of homegrown players at premium positions because ownership will never spend at the top of the market for star players. There are ways around that but you have to be really good at scouting and development. Expand Yep, that’s a problem. $100 million dollar contracts don’t even get you really good players anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 1:53 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep, that’s a problem. $100 million dollar contracts don’t even get you really good players anymore. Expand Right. I'm pretty confident that they'll be able to go out and grab a first baseman or a left fielder or a mid-rotation starter or even a great closer. The other players probably need to be in your org already though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Let me clear here. Jerry is a cheap, risk adverse owner. Being one of two MLB franchises to never have signed a $100M+ is a joke…full stop. I’m just sick of this era of fake news where people feel they can just straight up lie to embellish their talking points. Saying Jerry doesn’t believe any player is worth $100M is a factually untrue statement. That was the entire point of the post. No doubt he should be slammed for being a cheap and generally shitty owner. As for Wheeler, it’s the only free agent miss that I will give them a tiny amount of credit for. We 100% know we were the highest offer on paper. Balta arguing otherwise for years has always bothered me because it’s widely known across baseball. It would still would have been higher than what the Phillies offered if you really want to go down the tax rabbit hole. Also, people always say the Sox should have offered more, but these type of negotiations are never that simple. Regardless, the Sox didn’t land Wheeler and just being willing to offer the most money to one single free agent doesn’t negate the fact that under Jerry the Sox have failed in this area so many times before for so many reasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/16/2025 at 2:55 AM, WestEddy said: Benintendi's contract did exactly what a bunch of mopes here cry for. He was given much more in money and years than his production called for, just to get a player signed. You think the Sox should have bid against themselves and overpaid to get Wheeler. Yes, I agree that Benintendi's contract is a pathetic and embarrassing overpay of a player just to silence people like yourself who scream whatever sports radio tells you to want. Instead of flexing over payroll, you should evaluate your own behavior. Why do you want the White Sox to grossly overpay for substandard players? Maybe you actually wanted Michael A. Taylor signed for 3/$45M, just to prove they "want to win". That would be stupid. Expand You have a gross misunderstanding of what you think people believe. You’re crafting a narrative that fans just want the White Sox to spend. That isn’t true. You can keep saying it, but it doesn’t make it any more true. You are wrong. Additionally, if you believe Jerry Reinsdorf approved a $75 million dollar contract because he wanted to “make fans happy,” I have some ocean front property to sell you in Nebraska. Fans don’t want the Sox to spend just to spend. They want them to spend on difference makers. You asked if you wanted the Sox to overpay for Wheeler. My answer would be absolutely. Since he’s signed in Philly, he’s put up a 25.4 WAR. When the Sox missed on Wheeler, they pivoted to Keuchle. During his three years with the Sox, he put up 1.0 WAR. I would have loved to see some conviction from the Sox to get the desired target Hahn and Co. wanted, and have the backing of the front office. “Zach, if this takes $140 million to get you here and make your family happy, that’s what we’re going to do.” Yes, there is a point where dollars no longer makes sense and no one is justifying that, but if they felt strong about the prospects of Wheeler being a No. 1, then you do what it takes to push the core over the top that you just spent years building up. But we know that’s not what the Sox did, because they don’t really have an interest in doing what it takes to win consistently. It’s not in their DNA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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