WestEddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 6:09 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: It is what it is. As long as Jerry is the White Sox owner, you gotta milk that extra year. Expand Do the Sox even do this? When you look at our recent history of first rounders, I think we'd all be in agreement that guys like Crochet, Madrigal, Vaughn and even Carson Fulmer were clearly rushed to the bigs. And with the current crop of prospects, Getz seems to be giving long thought of breaking camp with a top prospect in order to get the extra draft pick if they rank in the ROY voting. I seriously think Carlos Rodon was the last real prospect where this was even an issue. While the Cubs were openly jerking Kris Bryant around, the Sox were trying not to rush Rodon. Boras, who represented both, screamed about Bryant's treatment, while saying publicly they had no problem with the White Sox' plan for Rodon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 7:47 AM, tray said: I agree with service time manipulation from the owners' point of view but not from the players' point of view. And really, if a team doesn't know whether they want to sign a player to a contract after he has played for them for several years, worn the jersey, established a fan base in town, is the expiration of extended team control his reward for that ? Frankly, the extra year of team control for essentially nothing seems like it could be unlawful if not unethical. This nonsense could be disposed of with a new CBA but you know the owners likely won't agree to that. Expand Neither would the players. It's a negotiated contract. There are a lot of items in the agreement that on the face, might seem like easy issues to take off the table. But if one side really wants that in principle, it becomes a bargaining chip. They whittle away at it, make that last year expensive. They start arbitration earlier for the most egregious examples. The current service time environment has been crafted by both sides for their own particular purposes. Some clauses might be happy accidents for one party, but overall, the owners like the system because it allows them enough control to plan for, while the players like how free agency is set up to limit supply of the high-end players to force up their salaries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Nice roundup of what the final bullpen is starting to look like over at SoxMachine. I don't like rooting against players. Clevinger could really grab his elbow on the next pitch he throws, and I'd be pretty happy. The White Sox bullpen is taking the first of its shapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fielder Jones Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) On 3/16/2025 at 2:46 PM, WestEddy said: Nice roundup of what the final bullpen is starting to look like over at SoxMachine. I don't like rooting against players. Clevinger could really grab his elbow on the next pitch he throws, and I'd be pretty happy. The White Sox bullpen is taking the first of its shapes Expand right before being grabbed the elbow suggested he pay his child support Edited March 16 by Fielder Jones 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Wednesday at 07:49 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:49 PM Final 26 man roster projection: Lineup: 1B: Vaughn 2B: Sosa SS: Meidroth 3B: Vargas LF: Benintendi* CF: Robert RF: Tauchman* DH: Drury CA: Lee Bench: BC: Thaiss* IF: Baldwin# OF: Slater OF: Taylor Rotation: Burke Martin Perez* Smith Cannon Bullpen: CL: Clevinger SU: Anderson SU: Varland MR: Ellard* MR: Booser* MR: Murfee MR: Gilbert* LR: Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted Wednesday at 08:13 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:13 PM On 3/19/2025 at 7:49 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Final 26 man roster projection: Lineup: 1B: Vaughn 2B: Sosa SS: Meidroth 3B: Vargas LF: Benintendi* CF: Robert RF: Tauchman* DH: Drury CA: Lee Bench: BC: Thaiss* IF: Baldwin# OF: Slater OF: Taylor Rotation: Burke Martin Perez* Smith Cannon Bullpen: CL: Clevinger SU: Anderson SU: Varland MR: Ellard* MR: Booser* MR: Murfee MR: Gilbert* LR: Wilson Expand I think Steven Wilson should be in the bullpen somewhere. The rest looks realistic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Wednesday at 08:45 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:45 PM On 3/19/2025 at 8:13 PM, ChiSoxFanMike said: I think Steven Wilson should be in the bullpen somewhere. The rest looks realistic to me. Expand Wish he was there instead of Clevinger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Wednesday at 09:44 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:44 PM (edited) On 3/19/2025 at 8:13 PM, ChiSoxFanMike said: I think Steven Wilson should be in the bullpen somewhere. The rest looks realistic to me. Expand S.Wilson over Gilbert Is Varland really such a sure thing? And Josh Rojas is definitely starting on the DL? They're eventually going to have to choose between Meidroth and Baldwin. Edited Wednesday at 09:58 PM by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted Wednesday at 10:44 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:44 PM (edited) On 3/19/2025 at 7:49 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Final 26 man roster projection: Bench: BC: Thaiss* IF: Baldwin# OF: Slater OF: Taylor Rotation: Burke Martin Perez* Smith Cannon Bullpen: CL: Clevinger SU: Anderson SU: Varland MR: Ellard* MR: Booser* MR: Murfee MR: Gilbert* LR: Wilson Expand Looks about right. I just don't see the allure of Slater. I thought Maton had a good spring among the veterans, but no room I supposed. Edited Wednesday at 10:46 PM by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Wednesday at 10:56 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:56 PM Well that's pretty much the end of Eisert making the team...but the Charlotte/Chicago shuttle will be quite lively this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Wednesday at 10:56 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:56 PM On 3/19/2025 at 8:13 PM, ChiSoxFanMike said: I think Steven Wilson should be in the bullpen somewhere. The rest looks realistic to me. Expand They’d have to cut someone from the 40 man right? Maybe they can find a slot there, but I can’t see them demoting Gilbert to start the season. The of them appear to be locks IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Wednesday at 10:57 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:57 PM On 3/19/2025 at 9:44 PM, caulfield12 said: S.Wilson over Gilbert Is Varland really such a sure thing? And Josh Rojas is definitely starting on the DL? They're eventually going to have to choose between Meidroth and Baldwin. Expand Varland was like our best reliever last year post trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Wednesday at 11:00 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:00 PM On 3/19/2025 at 10:44 PM, GreenSox said: Looks about right. I just don't see the allure of Slater. I thought Maton had a good spring among the veterans, but no room I supposed. Expand Was one of the best hitters in baseball against LHP for a five year period prior to last year and we just hired one of his previous hitting coaches to oversee our broader hitting. I would assume that they believe they can get him back to form and if not he’s a cheap holder until someone else warrants the spot. I do not like having and Taylor both on the roster though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted Wednesday at 11:00 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:00 PM On 3/19/2025 at 8:45 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Wish he was there instead of Clevinger Expand Lets hope the scarcity of save opportunites keeps him so burried at the end of the bench we forget he's even on the roster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted Wednesday at 11:06 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:06 PM On 3/19/2025 at 8:45 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Wish he was there instead of Clevinger Expand Wish he could pitch as well as Clevinger. Clevinger will be gone soon enough. Some team will bite this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Wednesday at 11:23 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:23 PM On 3/19/2025 at 11:06 PM, GreenSox said: Wish he could pitch as well as Clevinger. Clevinger will be gone soon enough. Some team will bite this time. Expand No one wanted him 2 seasons ago. No one wanted him last season. No one wanted him this off season. The White Sox are the only team in MLB willing to bring this dude into their locker room since 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Wednesday at 11:39 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:39 PM On 3/19/2025 at 11:06 PM, GreenSox said: Wish he could pitch as well as Clevinger. Clevinger will be gone soon enough. Some team will bite this time. Expand Disagree but we’ll see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 12:03 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:03 AM Seemed like Taylor was signed just as insurance in event of Robert trade, but if he's still here seems to me Tauchman is sufficient to back up Robert. Colas still hasn't been reassigned unlike Fletcher. Any chance he makes roster instead of Taylor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted Thursday at 12:06 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:06 AM Forget who makes the roster. The Sox have a new franchise player: The Celebration Cake SHAKE. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/44111171/mlb-2025-new-ballpark-food Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 12:23 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:23 AM (edited) On 3/20/2025 at 12:03 AM, 46DidIt said: Seemed like Taylor was signed just as insurance in event of Robert trade, but if he's still here seems to me Tauchman is sufficient to back up Robert. Colas still hasn't been reassigned unlike Fletcher. Any chance he makes roster instead of Taylor? Expand Next to zero...the sad part of all this is they could have picked up Taylor or the equivalent of him WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DID TRADE ROBERT for basically major league minimum. (The Padres waited until the end of spring training and got Jose Iglesias in this exact same way.) Now we're committed to Tauchman, Slater and Taylor. Not that anyone's really being blocked...other than Fletcher/Colas/DeLoach/Veras (if you really want to make the argument he's close to ready, or even DJ Gladney.) Edited Thursday at 12:27 AM by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted Thursday at 12:26 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:26 AM On 3/19/2025 at 11:23 PM, southsider2k5 said: No one wanted him 2 seasons ago. No one wanted him last season. No one wanted him this off season. The White Sox are the only team in MLB willing to bring this dude into their locker room since 2022. Expand No one wanted him as a 5th starter. Standards change in July for late inning relievers. Yall may be right that he's just too odious. But, I can remember 2 teams trading for wife-beaters for want of late inning relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 12:37 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:37 AM On 3/20/2025 at 12:26 AM, GreenSox said: No one wanted him as a 5th starter. Standards change in July for late inning relievers. Yall may be right that he's just too odious. But, I can remember 2 teams trading for wife-beaters for want of late inning relief. Expand And still no one wanted Clevinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 12:38 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:38 AM On 3/20/2025 at 12:26 AM, GreenSox said: No one wanted him as a 5th starter. Standards change in July for late inning relievers. Yall may be right that he's just too odious. But, I can remember 2 teams trading for wife-beaters for want of late inning relief. Expand Of course, the White Sox also have the example of Brett Myers here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 12:39 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:39 AM On 3/20/2025 at 12:06 AM, Timmy U said: Forget who makes the roster. The Sox have a new franchise player: The Celebration Cake SHAKE. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/44111171/mlb-2025-new-ballpark-food Expand A new shake was totally going to be my bold prediction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 12:45 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:45 AM On 3/20/2025 at 12:39 AM, southsider2k5 said: A new shake was totally going to be my bold prediction. Expand You know Schiffren's just chomping at the bit to work it into one of his sign-offs at the end of a (rare) White Sox victory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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