ptatc Posted Thursday at 04:41 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:41 PM On 3/20/2025 at 3:54 PM, 46DidIt said: Guys like Slater and Taylor do us no good long term, that's the point. Whether there's a possibility he returns to being a decent hitter against lefties is irrelevant. Considering prospects most likely to be called up later aren"t on 40 man, Sox are going to have to sacrifice young players to keep them on the roster at some point, which is counter productive. We obviously need some vets but to me Tauchman, Drury, Rojas and Thaiss are more valuable at present time. Colas may be a bone head but he also has a 99th percentile arm. Slater has never been a good OFer so not sure there's even an advantage there. If Colas bounces a couple balls off his head it would be evened out by the number of bases that would be advanced by having Slater in the OF. Carrying a defensive specialist like Taylor and a guy whose only value is maybe being able to hit lefties makes no sense for a rebuilding team Expand Very little on this roster is valuable long term. They are all placeholders until the prospects arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 04:41 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:41 PM Baldwin and Rojas can cover backing up the corner OF when the starters are off, with Tauchman backing up Robert. The issue of carrying guys like Slater and Taylor have more to do with 40 man roster management issues than active roster. Suppose you have dfa'd Colas and a couple OFers are on IL so you need to add someone like Maton. There's another 40 man cut that needs to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Thursday at 04:47 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:47 PM On 3/20/2025 at 4:36 PM, 46DidIt said: That's what Tauchman and Rojas are for Expand Tauchman and Slater are the likely RF platoon. Rojas is probably the utility infielder, given Sosa, Vargas and Drury look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 04:50 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:50 PM On 3/20/2025 at 4:38 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep, the same argument forever. He would have had a guaranteed starting position here as well last year. But please remember this argument when the Sox have had 4+ losing seasons in a row. How many winning seasons will they need to have before free agents will finally want to sign here? Or does money even matter at all? Expand I'm sure players don't worry about "4+ losing seasons". It's about the situation they're walking into. If a team has an established starting rotation, a good bullpen and a solid lineup, all in a weak division that's wide open, that's a good situation to hitch up to. Sure, money matters. But why overpay for players? It wasn't Chris Getz' choice to sign Robles, or not. If Getz wanted to overpay for a guy who still hadn't established himself as a reliable offensive producer 7 years into his career, then maybe he could have coaxed Robles away from Seattle. Overpaying on dollars and years is how we got Benintendi's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 04:55 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:55 PM On 3/20/2025 at 4:41 PM, 46DidIt said: Baldwin and Rojas can cover backing up the corner OF when the starters are off, with Tauchman backing up Robert. The issue of carrying guys like Slater and Taylor have more to do with 40 man roster management issues than active roster. Suppose you have dfa'd Colas and a couple OFers are on IL so you need to add someone like Maton. There's another 40 man cut that needs to be made. Expand This year's OF makeup is probably a direct reaction to last year's foibles. Tauchman can cover CF for a few days. He can't be your CF for 6 weeks if Robert gets injured or traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 04:56 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:56 PM (edited) On 3/20/2025 at 4:39 PM, WestEddy said: Who is being DFAed? Expand Someone will need to dfa'd each time someone is added like Clevinger, Drury, Meidroth, Montgomery, Teel, Quero along with anytime a reliever goes down, unless you want to start throwing starting pitching prospects in the bullpen due to injury. The 14 extra spots on the 40 man have to cover both guys you are protecting and guys you need as AAAA substitutes. It's not a lot of spots when you consider the number of pitchers we're likely to go through. It would be better to use 40 man on someone like Maton who could both cover in event of injury and potentially have use beyond this year Edited Thursday at 05:12 PM by 46DidIt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 04:57 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:57 PM On 3/20/2025 at 4:55 PM, WestEddy said: This year's OF makeup is probably a direct reaction to last year's foibles. Tauchman can cover CF for a few days. He can't be your CF for 6 weeks if Robert gets injured or traded. Expand Sure he can. The Sox aren"t winning much more than 50 games either way and Tauchman is solid defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 05:07 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:07 PM On 3/20/2025 at 4:47 PM, almagest said: Tauchman and Slater are the likely RF platoon. Rojas is probably the utility infielder, given Sosa, Vargas and Drury look good. Expand Yes I know that. The Sox could carry Sosa, Vargas, Rojas, Baldwin, Drury and Meidroth to cover 2b/3b/SS and backup the OF rather than waste a 40 man spot on Slater and Taylor is all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 05:13 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:13 PM On 3/20/2025 at 5:07 PM, 46DidIt said: Yes I know that. The Sox could carry Sosa, Vargas, Rojas, Baldwin, Drury and Meidroth to cover 2b/3b/SS and backup the OF rather than waste a 40 man spot on Slater and Taylor is all I'm saying. Expand Sure, that would be preferable. And it may still happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Thursday at 05:34 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:34 PM On 3/20/2025 at 1:45 PM, Princess Dye said: Colas hasn't even shown extended ability to hit at the minors, let alone his mlb opportunities Expand Exactly…Colas still needs to work on stuff. He improved his BB rate considerably last year and did so without racking up a ton more K’s, but it came at the expense of impacting the baseball. If he can find a way to square up on the baseball more frequently with better launch angle, his game might actually play in the pro’s with the aforementioned improvement in plate discipline. But let him work through that in Charlotte without the pressures of major league pitching. It’s a long season and he can come up when he’s earned it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Thursday at 05:44 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:44 PM On 3/20/2025 at 2:40 PM, mac9001 said: For all the hate that Colas gets his overall offensive number were pretty comparable to Colon's. Expand Colson is 3.5 years younger than Colas and can technically (for now) play a premium position, so not really comparable prospects. Regardless, Colson took massive hits to his prospect stock over the past 12 months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Thursday at 05:54 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:54 PM On 3/20/2025 at 2:46 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: I never said Colas will translate to the majors but I don’t see the point in wasting at bats on vets. The Sox have a garbage lineup and are playing 34 year old vets in their outfield that won’t be here next season. At some point, you should just see what you have with younger players. Afterall, what did Slater do to deserve being a platoon starter in the outfield from the minute he was signed? I don’t care about his numbers from 2+ years ago. He’s not the same guy now. He’s older and bad. The tiny chance of a younger player panning out in the majors is worth more to the Sox than wasting at bats on a guy like Slater. Expand I can tape a picture of Kathy Ireland to my wife’s face, wait around six months, and hope she becomes Kathy Ireland or I can acknowledge right now that the idea lacks all logic and reason. And saying Slater is “bad” now because of one bad season after five great ones is just garbage posting. He may be bad, but he wouldn’t be the first guy in his 30’s to have a bad year and then rebound. He was better when he joined the Orioles last year and guess who we just hired to be the Director of Hitting for our organization. You may not ultimately feel the value equation warrants giving him playing time, but saying he is unequivocally bad is simpltabsurd. Only a Sith speaks in such absolutes… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Thursday at 05:55 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:55 PM On 3/20/2025 at 5:07 PM, 46DidIt said: Yes I know that. The Sox could carry Sosa, Vargas, Rojas, Baldwin, Drury and Meidroth to cover 2b/3b/SS and backup the OF rather than waste a 40 man spot on Slater and Taylor is all I'm saying. Expand Eh. If Baldwin spends a little more time in AAA I don't think that's an issue. He only had 8 games there last year, is only 24, and was just ok in the majors in limited action in 2024. Meidroth can repeat AAA for a bit while the roster shakes out, and come up once trades happen in July at the latest. I agree on Taylor. He should be in AAA in case of injury at best. Tauchman can be the backup CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Thursday at 06:02 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:02 PM On 3/20/2025 at 3:09 PM, vilehoopster said: Managing a professional team means more than managing the talent, making lineups, scouting, skill development, and whatever else we associate with running a professional team. It also means managing players and their egos, usually big egos. You have to take into account those egos. So, let me say something that many on here will disagree with. I really don't think the Sox want to leave ST with Meidroth on the MLB roster. For one reason, I don't think his bat is ready. But here's the other. . . Also, if Meidroth, batting .133 or whatever, is playing in Chicago, and Colson was sent down to the minors two weeks ago, Colson is never going to forgive or forget that. I'm sure Colson will say all the right things, blah, blah blah. But he will see the combination of those two decisions as a big slight to him (he's been in the orgainzation much longer) and that is going to fester. Colson already feels he wasn't given a real shot due to an injury that he will feel is not his fault. Can I prove this? Of course not. but if you work with players and their egos, you have to know this is a reality. If Colson is at Charlotte and Meidroth is in Chicago, down the road, the Sox will pay for it. I've said this before: Send them all down to Charlotte, let them play together and win together; then after the big flip sale at the trading deadline, bring them and their winning attitutes and expectations up. Expand No offense, but this is nonsense. And I don’t mean the part about Meidroth being ready (although I would fully disagree on reacting to spring numbers for a dude 30% above league last year in AAA). Colson has done nothing to deserve being the OD shortstop for the Chicago White. If his feelings get hurt that a different kid who actually was successful in AAA last year got an opportunity over him and it affects him in any way then he’s not going to make it as a major league athlete. This idea that all our prospects should be sitting around a campfire in Charlotte and bonding with each other is silly. Call each guy up when they are ready and when service time is optimized…full stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Thursday at 06:04 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:04 PM On 3/20/2025 at 5:54 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I can tape a picture of Kathy Ireland to my wife’s face, wait around six months, and hope she becomes Kathy Ireland or I can acknowledge right now that the idea lacks all logic and reason. And saying Slater is “bad” now because of one bad season after five great ones is just garbage posting. He may be bad, but he wouldn’t be the first guy in his 30’s to have a bad year and then rebound. He was better when he joined the Orioles last year and guess who we just hired to be the Director of Hitting for our organization. You may not ultimately feel the value equation warrants giving him playing time, but saying he is unequivocally bad is simpltabsurd. Only a Sith speaks in such absolutes… Expand Five great seasons? I would hope a player who had five great seasons would have better career OPS than .728. If he only ever faces lefties, his .793 career OPS versus lefties looks good. In the grand scheme of things, I’d still rather use those at bats on a younger outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Thursday at 06:06 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:06 PM On 3/20/2025 at 5:54 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I can tape a picture of Kathy Ireland to my wife’s face, wait around six months, and hope she becomes Kathy Ireland or I can acknowledge right now that the idea lacks all logic and reason. And saying Slater is “bad” now because of one bad season after five great ones is just garbage posting. He may be bad, but he wouldn’t be the first guy in his 30’s to have a bad year and then rebound. He was better when he joined the Orioles last year and guess who we just hired to be the Director of Hitting for our organization. You may not ultimately feel the value equation warrants giving him playing time, but saying he is unequivocally bad is simpltabsurd. Only a Sith speaks in such absolutes… Expand Slater very well may be a better player than Colas, but why should that matter? Of the 2, there is only one that potentially can help them when and if they are ever good again. Colas was a top 100 prospect. Struggled initially. Played dumb, but played hard, and for some reason, ever since, the White Sox f*** with him. Either give him a shot or release him. It makes no sense doing to him what they are doing. If he has a bad attitude, why are you letting your other prospects be exposed to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Thursday at 06:06 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:06 PM On 3/20/2025 at 5:54 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I can tape a picture of Kathy Ireland to my wife’s face, wait around six months, and hope she becomes Kathy Ireland or I can acknowledge right now that the idea lacks all logic and reason. And saying Slater is “bad” now because of one bad season after five great ones is just garbage posting. He may be bad, but he wouldn’t be the first guy in his 30’s to have a bad year and then rebound. He was better when he joined the Orioles last year and guess who we just hired to be the Director of Hitting for our organization. You may not ultimately feel the value equation warrants giving him playing time, but saying he is unequivocally bad is simpltabsurd. Only a Sith speaks in such absolutes… Expand You don't know the power of the dark side. Let the anger flow. Appropriate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 06:11 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:11 PM On 3/20/2025 at 5:54 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Only a Sith speaks in such absolutes… Expand That in itself is an absolute, so you are basically saying you are a sith. I don't believe you though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 06:27 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:27 PM On 3/20/2025 at 1:13 PM, ChiSox59 said: While this was a foregone conclusion, I still don't get it. Oscar likely just sucks, but there is not a good reason to not give him 500 at bats this season. If if if if it clicked, he's kind of what we've been looking for for decades. Chances of that happening are remote, but chances that any of Tauchman, Slater or Taylor being part of the future is ZERO, and the chances they return anything remotely interesting are way less than Colas turning into a valuable player. Just play the dude and see what happens. Expand Then cut him or trade him. Quit wasting a roster spot 9n a dude you have no interest in playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 06:30 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:30 PM On 3/20/2025 at 6:04 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Five great seasons? I would hope a player who had five great seasons would have better career OPS than .728. If he only ever faces lefties, his .793 career OPS versus lefties looks good. In the grand scheme of things, I’d still rather use those at bats on a younger outfielder. Expand It's a good thing the Sox picked him up to be the weak side of a platoon, and you agree that he looks pretty good for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Thursday at 06:31 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:31 PM On 3/20/2025 at 6:06 PM, Dick Allen said: Slater very well may be a better player than Colas, but why should that matter? Of the 2, there is only one that potentially can help them when and if they are ever good again. Colas was a top 100 prospect. Struggled initially. Played dumb, but played hard, and for some reason, ever since, the White Sox f*** with him. Either give him a shot or release him. It makes no sense doing to him what they are doing. If he has a bad attitude, why are you letting your other prospects be exposed to it. Expand Because Colas has -1.4 bWAR in 278 at bats in the majors, while only managing a career .774 OPS in 735 PAs in a AAA bandbox. He needs to figure that level out first before he gets a longer shot at the majors, or they need to release him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 06:32 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:32 PM On 3/20/2025 at 6:27 PM, southsider2k5 said: Then cut him or trade him. Quit wasting a roster spot 9n a dude you have no interest in playing Expand Why? The Sox control Colas' rights to fill a need, if it arises. It's ugly, but that's Capitalism. They're not there for him. He's there for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 06:35 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:35 PM On 3/20/2025 at 1:41 PM, PaleAleSox said: I think he is a player who sucks and has a horrible attitude on top of it. Expand Yet we are going to have Mike Clevinger on this roster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 06:36 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:36 PM On 3/20/2025 at 4:35 PM, 46DidIt said: So we have to keep Benintendi, Robert, Tauchman, Taylor AND Slater on the roster to teach the subsequently nonexistent young outfielders how to win, meanwhile dfa-ing young players the Sox have under control for 5+ years when someone like Teel or Montgomery gets called up. Makes no sense for a team hoping to win 50 games Expand Rinse, repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 06:38 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:38 PM On 3/20/2025 at 6:32 PM, WestEddy said: Why? The Sox control Colas' rights to fill a need, if it arises. It's ugly, but that's Capitalism. They're not there for him. He's there for them. Expand Because it sends a "mixed message" to the rest of the Sox prospects...and they still have Fletcher Deloach Mitchell Veras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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