Opening Day 26-Man Roster

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:51 AM, ChiSox59 said:

Like, I get where you're coming from, respect your opinion, and generally agree with your takes, but the Sox are going to suck ass no matter who they play. There is literally no upside in playing shitty vets on one year deals that aren't good enough to return anything of note even id they play well. So what's the point? To lose 107 games instead of 112? It doesn't matter. Chances are that Colas and Fletcher and Sosa aren't good major leaguers, but there is no reason not to find out when this season is already punted. 

here is to hoping Fletcher and Colas earn their way in AAA, because both should get a ton of MLb at bats in 25. 

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Sosa should get playing time because he hit well in Charlotte (117 wRC+ in Charlotte last year), whereas Colas (89 wRC+) and Fletcher (79 wRC+) did not.  I truly hope both give us some reason to invest significant major league playing time in them, but I fully believe it’s bad process to put someone in the majors who hasn’t proven themselves in AAA.  If you think there is any chance they will be successful for the Sox next year, then showing their worth during a four week stint in Charlotte shouldn’t be a problem.  If they can’t figure out how to hit AAA pitching, they won’t figure out to do so against major league pitching.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:51 AM, caulfield12 said:

RF platoon?

Or are we DHing Brnintendi now?

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Benintendi plays LF…

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:53 AM, southsider2k5 said:

There's an above zero chance Colas is around in 5 years.

There is a zero chance that any of the 1 year older FAs are around.

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Sure…but why must Colas start the season on the major league roster when he hasn’t been successful in AAA?  This is becoming like the South Park underwear Gnomes meme.

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:51 AM, ChiSox59 said:

Like, I get where you're coming from, respect your opinion, and generally agree with your takes, but the Sox are going to suck ass no matter who they play. There is literally no upside in playing shitty vets on one year deals that aren't good enough to return anything of note even id they play well. So what's the point? To lose 107 games instead of 112? It doesn't matter. Chances are that Colas and Fletcher and Sosa aren't good major leaguers, but there is no reason not to find out when this season is already punted. 

here is to hoping Fletcher and Colas earn their way in AAA, because both should get a ton of MLb at bats in 25. 

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Greatest post ever.  I wish I could have worded it as well as you as many times I have tried to say it.  We are 100% aligned on this argument.

And even if Fletcher and Colas aren’t “it”, there will likely be better DFA options from other teams that are worth trying over worthless one year vets.

Edited Friday at 02:38 AM by WhiteSox2023

[pcq]

No idea the Sox don't even have enough room for all their future stars. Gertz has Billy Beaned this roster.  Only thing left is who will play Gertz in the Hallmark movie. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:33 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

Sure…but why must Colas start the season on the major league roster when he hasn’t been successful in AAA?  This is becoming like the South Park underwear Gnomes meme.

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Then cut him.  Quit wasting roster spots on guys who have zero chance at being here in the future. 

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:59 AM, pcq said:

No idea the Sox don't even have enough room for all their future stars. Gertz has Billy Beaned this roster.  Only thing left is who will play Gertz in the Hallmark movie. 

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I wish Gertz was our GM.  Much more enjoyable to watch, even if she fucked up half as much as Getz…

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:00 AM, southsider2k5 said:

Then cut him.  Quit wasting roster spots on guys who have zero chance at being here in the future. 

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Exactly.  Either play him or cut him.  If Colas never had a shot to begin with, there were DFAs that would have been more useful to try out.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:00 AM, southsider2k5 said:

Then cut him.  Quit wasting roster spots on guys who have zero chance at being here in the future. 

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We just hired a new Director of Hitting…maybe we should give him a chance to work with Colas before cutting him?  Personally, I think they will cut him before spring is over with, but I really don’t see the problem of giving him a couple of months in Charlotte if Fuller thinks there is something for him to work on.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:03 AM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Exactly.  Either play him or cut him.  If Colas never had a shot to begin with, there were DFAs that would have been more useful to try out.

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The best part of this post is the Sox had the choice to cut Colas or pick up one of these beloved DFA players and chose Colas.  Why do you think they keep him on the roster?  Because they want to ruin his career by forcing him to suffer in Charlotte forever?  Or maybe they didn’t like any of these DFA guys you keep hyping up that become available but that every GM passes on.

This idea that allowing Colas to work on stuff at Charlotte for a short period of time based on guidance from our new Director Hitting is somehow a sign of incompetence is quite humorous to me.  Until someone better comes along or the spot is needed for an actual prospect like Teel, Quero, etc. in a couple of months, you might as well see if anything clicks in a stress free environment.

[pcq]

Their treatment of Colas is abusive. Have a vet mentor him and get him some playing time. Gertz is playing games with his Jerrymandering ways. 

[caulfield12]

  On 3/21/2025 at 5:13 AM, pcq said:

Their treatment of Colas is abusive. Have a vet mentor him and get him some playing time. Gertz is playing games with his Jerrymandering ways. 

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Jamie...?  That's a pretty tough allegation...but you just wonder WHERE it's coming from if it's NOT Getz?

Obviously DeLoach was already passed through waivers, you just wonder what they're thinking with him...haven't heard much about converting him to 1B from the outfield, pitching again, etc.

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:40 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

The best part of this post is the Sox had the choice to cut Colas or pick up one of these beloved DFA players and chose Colas.  Why do you think they keep him on the roster?  Because they want to ruin his career by forcing him to suffer in Charlotte forever?  Or maybe they didn’t like any of these DFA guys you keep hyping up that become available but that every GM passes on.

This idea that allowing Colas to work on stuff at Charlotte for a short period of time based on guidance from our new Director Hitting is somehow a sign of incompetence is quite humorous to me.  Until someone better comes along or the spot is needed for an actual prospect like Teel, Quero, etc. in a couple of months, you might as well see if anything clicks in a stress free environment.

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Fletcher, DeLoach, Zavala…

I stopped caring about what bust outfielders that Getz picks and thinks should work with his Director of Hitting.  Getz can even take some credit for Colas as he was the assistant GM when Colas was signed.  I doubt Fuller can turn s%*# into whipped cream.  Hopefully B. Montgomery is that guy, but Getz has already had plenty of whiffs at trying to find an outfielder that is above league average.

Edited Friday at 09:37 AM by WhiteSox2023

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:26 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

Sosa should get playing time because he hit well in Charlotte (117 wRC+ in Charlotte last year), whereas Colas (89 wRC+) and Fletcher (79 wRC+) did not.  I truly hope both give us some reason to invest significant major league playing time in them, but I fully believe it’s bad process to put someone in the majors who hasn’t proven themselves in AAA.  If you think there is any chance they will be successful for the Sox next year, then showing their worth during a four week stint in Charlotte shouldn’t be a problem.  If they can’t figure out how to hit AAA pitching, they won’t figure out to do so against major league pitching.

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But giving a ton of plate appearances to proven failures like Gavin Sheets and Nicky Lopez made sense?  Cuz that’s what Getz did instead.  How did they prove themselves to be starters?

[PaleAleSox]

  On 3/21/2025 at 9:36 AM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Fletcher, DeLoach, Zavala…

I stopped caring about what bust outfielders that Getz picks and thinks should work with his Director of Hitting.  Getz can even take some credit for Colas as he was the assistant GM when Colas was signed.  I doubt Fuller can turn s%*# into whipped cream.  Hopefully B. Montgomery is that guy, but Getz has already had plenty of whiffs at trying to find an outfielder that is above league average.

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I don’t think you’ve stopped caring, my dude. 

[46DidIt]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:02 AM, WhiteSox2023 said:

I wish Gertz was our GM.  Much more enjoyable to watch, even if she fucked up half as much as Getz…

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I had to look at this post for close to five minutes before I realized pcq misspelled Getz

Edited Friday at 02:08 PM by 46DidIt

[Harold's Leg Lift]

  On 3/20/2025 at 6:43 PM, fathom said:

no shock but Smith made the team

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Heck of a job by the scouting department.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/21/2025 at 9:45 AM, WhiteSox2023 said:

But giving a ton of plate appearances to proven failures like Gavin Sheets and Nicky Lopez made sense?  Cuz that’s what Getz did instead.  How did they prove themselves to be starters?

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When did I defend those moves?  Pretty sure I ridiculed Getz for saying defense would be a priority and then played Sheets in the OF like his predecessor did.

Regardless, this is a silly argument.  Lopez has proven to be an above replacement level player because of his defense.  I don’t think he’s good enough to be a starter on a good team, but he is a major leaguer in some capacity.  Sheets put up a 131 wRC+ in half a season at Charlotte before being called up.  Colas has never been over 100 wRC+ and regressed further last year.

The big thing you keep missing is that signing cheap vets is a way to buy your prospects more time.  The reason that we signed DeJong last year was to have a placeholder until Colson was ready (turned out he wasn’t).  Let guys complete their development in the minors first before them into a major league role.  I get the clock is ticking on Colas & Fletcher, but if they can’t fix their s%*# in AAA it’s unlikely they fix their s%*# in the majors.

[ptatc]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:57 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

When did I defend those moves?  Pretty sure I ridiculed Getz for saying defense would be a priority and then played Sheets in the OF like his predecessor did.

Regardless, this is a silly argument.  Lopez has proven to be an above replacement level player because of his defense.  I don’t think he’s good enough to be a starter on a good team, but he is a major leaguer in some capacity.  Sheets put up a 131 wRC+ in half a season at Charlotte before being called up.  Colas has never been over 100 wRC+ and regressed further last year.

The big thing you keep missing is that signing cheap vets is a way to buy your prospects more time.  The reason that we signed DeJong last year was to have a placeholder until Colson was ready (turned out he wasn’t).  Let guys complete their development in the minors first before them into a major league role.  I get the clock is ticking on Colas & Fletcher, but if they can’t fix their s%*# in AAA it’s unlikely they fix their s%*# in the majors.

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I agree. I think far too many people are impatient and want to bring up prospects before they are ready. Ready isnt just numbers. It takes into account more things like being emotionally and mentally ready for the failure in the MLB. They will fail more in the MLB then succeed. Even the best players are out more then they succeed at the plate. These are aspects that fans can't know. Even the teams don't know for sure but the coaches who interact with them everyday have a better sense if this.

The Sox aren't trying to win right now. The only thing that matters is the development of their current players throughout the system. In theory they see what they have this year and start filling in next year.

The complicating factor us the impending strike. Are teams going to sign deals next year if they know a significant lock out/strike is coming?

[caulfield12]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:23 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Heck of a job by the scouting department.

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Walter McInven

[tray]

The White Sox can only do so much for a prospect who cannot maintain his weight or one who lacks the athleticism, quickness and speed to play his position.  Colas recent lawn dart play was remindful of what Avisail Garcia did in RF years ago. For Garcia that was the beginning of a string of debilitating injuries.   Remember Courtney Hawkins?  Started out with a back-flip and just blew up after that.  Soon RF will be Braden Montgomery's spot and LF will be George Wolkow's. In the meantime, plug in veterans to fill positions on short term contracts until younger players are ready to take over. Colas? Adios.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:51 AM, ChiSox59 said:

Like, I get where you're coming from, respect your opinion, and generally agree with your takes, but the Sox are going to suck ass no matter who they play. There is literally no upside in playing shitty vets on one year deals that aren't good enough to return anything of note even id they play well. So what's the point? To lose 107 games instead of 112? It doesn't matter. Chances are that Colas and Fletcher and Sosa aren't good major leaguers, but there is no reason not to find out when this season is already punted. 

here is to hoping Fletcher and Colas earn their way in AAA, because both should get a ton of MLb at bats in 25. 

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I'm going to have to resist the idea of shitty vets that aren't good enough to return anything. You never know what you can come up for a relief pitcher especially LHRP.

Look how that A ball SS Bergolla has hit in ST since they started using him. They picked him up for Tanner Banks. He's got hits, a few doubles a bunt hit, played the position well. Seems like a real savvy baseball player. We'll see how he does in Birmingham but if what he's done in ST so far is any indication along with what he did in A ball he's a likely .300 hitter who can also draw some walks at a premium position.

Getz said they scouted and liked him because of the Phillies overtures into Crochet.

[caulfield12]

  On 3/21/2025 at 10:56 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I'm going to have to resist the idea of shitty vets that aren't good enough to return anything. You never know what you can come up for a relief pitcher especially LHRP.

Look how that A ball SS Bergolla has hit in ST since they started using him. They picked him up for Tanner Banks. He's got hits, a few doubles a bunt hit, played the position well. Seems like a real savvy baseball player. We'll see how he does in Birmingham but if what he's done in ST so far is any indication along with what he did in A ball he's a likely .300 hitter who can also draw some walks at a premium position.

Getz said they scouted and liked him because of the Phillies overtures into Crochet.

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Anything is better than Amaya...Bergolla impressed everyone with his baseball IQ that is largely credited to his father's tutelage.

[ChiSox59]

  On 3/21/2025 at 10:56 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I'm going to have to resist the idea of shitty vets that aren't good enough to return anything. You never know what you can come up for a relief pitcher especially LHRP.

Look how that A ball SS Bergolla has hit in ST since they started using him. They picked him up for Tanner Banks. He's got hits, a few doubles a bunt hit, played the position well. Seems like a real savvy baseball player. We'll see how he does in Birmingham but if what he's done in ST so far is any indication along with what he did in A ball he's a likely .300 hitter who can also draw some walks at a premium position.

Getz said they scouted and liked him because of the Phillies overtures into Crochet.

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Tanner Banks wasn't really a shitty vet tho. He had multiple years of cheap control. 

in any event, I am referring to the the slew of not good position players that are crowding out the roster, not pitchers. 

[46DidIt]

  On 3/21/2025 at 9:36 AM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Fletcher, DeLoach, Zavala…

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One of these is not like the others