Opening Day 26-Man Roster

[GreenSox]

  On 3/21/2025 at 10:56 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I'm going to have to resist the idea of shitty vets that aren't good enough to return anything. You never know what you can come up for a relief pitcher especially LHRP.

Look how that A ball SS Bergolla has hit in ST since they started using him. They picked him up for Tanner Banks. He's got hits, a few doubles a bunt hit, played the position well. Seems like a real savvy baseball player. We'll see how he does in Birmingham but if what he's done in ST so far is any indication along with what he did in A ball he's a likely .300 hitter who can also draw some walks at a premium position.

Getz said they scouted and liked him because of the Phillies overtures into Crochet.

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Of course, Banks is pitching, and specifically relief pitching in July.   It's its own bull market.
DeJong had 19 homers when we traded him and we got a lottery ticket relief prospect (who pitched decently for us).  It's hard to tell what we got for Pham, but it wasn't much.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/22/2025 at 12:27 AM, ChiSox59 said:

Tanner Banks wasn't really a shitty vet tho. He had multiple years of cheap control. 

in any event, I am referring to the the slew of not good position players that are crowding out the roster, not pitchers. 

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You never know what you get but you have to try.

I'm not sure you differentiated between who was a shitty vet and who wasn't.

All I heard this off season was fans crying about how Getz didn't improve the pen. I guess that remains to be seen and all the injuries to a lot of our youthful depth is hurting the cause but pitching does have a market more than bats.

It seems fairly useful that he picked so many veteran arms on the cheap. Some young arms he gave up for veteran arms might turn into useful position players. It's always hit and miss working in the fringes. Either you end up giving up someone you regret or you make the other team regret it.

So far there's not much to regret on either side of these minor trades that everyone makes a big deal about because of the process. It's all just howling into the wind. The sound gets lost most of the time.

I'll admit a lot of what Getz is doing is on the job training. He's made mistakes but some things are working and he's hired outside the organization and Crochet was a major win. I don't think he's had a bad 1st full year. Maybe a solid C grade considering JR isn't giving him much to spend unless infrastrure rebuilding is a lot more expensive than I think it is. I think the initial costs are higher than the maintenance costs so we'll have to wait and see what bears fruit if he's around long enough to see the fruits of his labors. I like the initial returns on the Bannister hiring. The efforts of the FO seems a lot more collaborative.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Braden Montgomery and some of our draft picks like Bonemer,Antonacci, McLain,Saucke and Hagen Smith do. Bergolla will be a good follow too as well as Zavala,Meidroth,Wikel-man Gonzalez , Jacob Gonzalez and Colson Montgomery.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChiSox59]

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:47 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

You never know what you get but you have to try.

I'm not sure you differentiated between who was a shitty vet and who wasn't.

All I heard this off season was fans crying about how Getz didn't improve the pen. I guess that remains to be seen and all the injuries to a lot of our youthful depth is hurting the cause but pitching does have a market more than bats.

It seems fairly useful that he picked so many veteran arms on the cheap. Some young arms he gave up for veteran arms might turn into useful position players. It's always hit and miss working in the fringes. Either you end up giving up someone you regret or you make the other team regret it.

So far there's not much to regret on either side of these minor trades that everyone makes a big deal about because of the process. It's all just howling into the wind. The sound gets lost most of the time.

I'll admit a lot of what Getz is doing is on the job training. He's made mistakes but some things are working and he's hired outside the organization and Crochet was a major win. I don't think he's had a bad 1st full year. Maybe a solid C grade considering JR isn't giving him much to spend unless infrastrure rebuilding is a lot more expensive than I think it is. I think the initial costs are higher than the maintenance costs so we'll have to wait and see what bears fruit if he's around long enough to see the fruits of his labors. I like the initial returns on the Bannister hiring. The efforts of the FO seems a lot more collaborative.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Braden Montgomery and some of our draft picks like Bonemer,Antonacci, McLain,Saucke and Hagen Smith do. Bergolla will be a good follow too as well as Zavala,Meidroth,Wikel-man Gonzalez , Jacob Gonzalez and Colson Montgomery.

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I was responding to a post that was only referring to position players and the fact that fringe guys like Colas, Fletcher and Sosa are getting crowded out by shitty vets that accomplish nothing for this club in short or long term for reasons I have already explained in this thread.

I am excited for the season and will hope for the best. I am all for giving Getz rope. He is our guy whether we want him or not. But I don't at all agree with his strategy this offseason. I sincerely hope I am proven wrong and a couple of Slater, Drury, Tauchmann, Taylor turn into actual trade pieces that can return something meaningful. But color me skeptical. I'd rather just let the controllable fringe guys play in what is certain to be a 100+ loss season. 

 

[WhiteSox2023]

Drury has a broken left thumb so he likely won’t be making the opening day roster.

[Timmy U]

What are the rules re: Drury?  They got to add him to the 40, then DL him?

[Bob Sacamano]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:18 PM, Timmy U said:

What are the rules re: Drury?  They got to add him to the 40, then DL him?

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I would think they would have a hand shake agreement to add him to the MLB roster when he is healed up and ready to go. But I could be wrong.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/22/2025 at 2:32 PM, ChiSox59 said:

I was responding to a post that was only referring to position players and the fact that fringe guys like Colas, Fletcher and Sosa are getting crowded out by shitty vets that accomplish nothing for this club in short or long term for reasons I have already explained in this thread.

I am excited for the season and will hope for the best. I am all for giving Getz rope. He is our guy whether we want him or not. But I don't at all agree with his strategy this offseason. I sincerely hope I am proven wrong and a couple of Slater, Drury, Tauchmann, Taylor turn into actual trade pieces that can return something meaningful. But color me skeptical. I'd rather just let the controllable fringe guys play in what is certain to be a 100+ loss season. 

 

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As a GM I think winning has to have place among your top priorities so you pick up vets who have proven track records with recent hiccups that made them affordable rather than just hand jobs to kids who struggle at AAA.

Apparently wins do matter to fans too because I haven't stopped hearing about last seasons disaster. 110 losses would have been considered a disaster too but once you set modern day records for losses it drives the point home that there's no reason for that to happen if you can help it even if it was a Murphy's Law situation you should still have enough talent to avoid that kind of situation.

Plenty of fans are thinking they will be worse than last year .  That shouldn't be allowed to happen  under any circumstances so if you think it'll be a 110 loss season things could go horribly wrong once again you're right back there. You don't want to give the impression that improving or not setting more futility records isn't important just because it's a rebuild. If you can't force the issue facing AAA pitching there's no reason to play in the big leagues.

It's just odd to me when the fans past war crys were the Sox ruined Vaughn and Crochet and called up prospects before they were ready that now the script is flipped and it's "let the kids"  play even though they've done nothing to warrant it except get older .

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:03 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Drury has a broken left thumb so he likely won’t be making the opening day roster.

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Damn when the hell did that happen ?

[caulfield12]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:39 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

As a GM I think winning has to have place among your top priorities so you pick up vets who have proven track records with recent hiccups that made them affordable rather than just hand jobs to kids who struggle at AAA.

Apparently wins do matter to fans too because I haven't stopped hearing about last seasons disaster. 110 losses would have been considered a disaster too but once you set modern day records for losses it drives the point home that there's no reason for that to happen if you can help it even if it was a Murphy's Law situation you should still have enough talent to avoid that kind of situation.

Plenty of fans are thinking they will be worse than last year .  That shouldn't be allowed to happen  under any circumstances so if you think it'll be a 110 loss season things could go horribly wrong once again you're right back there. You don't want to give the impression that improving or not setting more futility records isn't important just because it's a rebuild. If you can't force the issue facing AAA pitching there's no reason to play in the big leagues.

It's just odd to me when the fans past war crys were the Sox ruined Vaughn and Crochet and called up prospects before they were ready that now the script is flipped and it's "let the kids"  play even though they've done nothing to warrant it except get older .

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Almost all their first draft picks were moved quickly.

Madrigal.  Burdi.  Fulmer before he was ready.  Collins.  Burger was the only one who took time because of the injuries and then Covid.

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:39 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Damn when the hell did that happen ?

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“We were doing a drill, and he just collided with a runner as a first baseman. Just a throw that took him up the line and a tough break,” Venable said.

[Buehrle>Wood]

  On 3/22/2025 at 6:19 PM, Bob Sacamano said:

I would think they would have a hand shake agreement to add him to the MLB roster when he is healed up and ready to go. But I could be wrong.

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Would they not be paying him a meaningful salary/for his rehab until then? He'd be getting screwed over but guess he may not have other options.