caulfield12 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Both are 30 something left-fielders that should probably be DH's. Benintendi one year younger. Both owed about the same amount of $$$ and years on their remaining contracts, $49.3 million for Andrew and $54 million for Yoshida. I'm guessing Boston would prefer to have Andrew at this point (past history alone, more motivation to compete for playoffs, back home in AL East) and they have been pretty disappointed with Yoshida overall so far, especially from a defensive standpoint. Would you trade them if the Red Sox included $2.5 million (or a prospect/sweetener) to balance out the contracts? My only reasoning (change of scenery trade here) is that Benintendi would clearly be happier (at least from an outsider's viewpoint) to move on from Chicago and his Hahn contract...back to Boston, where he's still fondly remembered (and leaving behind a 120+ loss team and being the veteran face of that disappointment). For Getz, it would be another way he could move on officially from the Hahn Era and forge his own line-up. And, it MIGHT be a way for the Sox to get a foot/toe-hold into the burgeoning Japanese market for players... And, it would be more exciting for Sox fans to watch almost anyone in the world besides Andrew Benintendi (granted, he had a very strong second half last year, and might even be their best hitter when/if Luis Robert, Jr. is traded). Then I would also bring in Tadahito Iguchi to the White Sox coaching staff. and bring in/recruit via FA the following players: Tomoya Mori C/OF (turning 30 this season, reportedly the best catcher in Japan, also an outfielder and can theoretically DH and play 1B, often compared to JP Realmuto...yes, we already have Quero and Teel, although depth is always a POSITIVE and could be traded for another position player the Sox value more) when he's old enough, LHP Yuma Miyagi (will be 23, turning 24 at the end of this season, ALL THE LEFTIES, the next Imanaga???) potentially 1B Yuma Tongu, who's 28 (turning 29 at end of season) and plays basically every infield position but SS, and can also catch as well ANYONE else that Iguchi can successfully recruit (and convince JR to shell out the money for) that fits the Sox roster. With the Cuban Connection Niche long gone (and with Marco Paddy finally out the door)...and the White Sox seemingly unwilling to extend any young player (especially pitchers) into the first or second season of free agency. what other options do the Sox have other than starting to look more internationally??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 (edited) Yoshida +1.6 fWAR vs Benintendi -0.6 fWAR the last two years combined... Yoshida +2.8 (1.4 + 1.4) bWAR vs. Benintendi (0.2 + -0.8) -0.6 bWAR Edited February 20 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 9:39 AM, caulfield12 said: Yoshida +1.6 fWAR vs Benintendi -0.6 fWAR the last two years combined... Yoshida +2.8 (1.4 + 1.4) bWAR vs. Benintendi (0.2 + -0.8) -0.6 bWAR Expand Yoshida has been better, but he's older and had the advantage of playing in Boston. Beni had to play for The worst team with the worst manager ever. He was also coming back from a broken wrist which sapped his power. I didn't look up their stats after AB returned from injury last June, but he was very solid after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 1:49 PM, zisk said: Yoshida has been better, but he's older and had the advantage of playing in Boston. Beni had to play for The worst team with the worst manager ever. He was also coming back from a broken wrist which sapped his power. I didn't look up their stats after AB returned from injury last June, but he was very solid after that. Expand That broken hamate bone was with the Yankees in 2022...late in the season. It really affected him for 1 1/2 full seasons with the White Sox...? But then miraculously healed in the second half? Wouldn't they be able to dump his contract on someone if that was the conventional wisdom across baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 This trade doesn't do anything for either team really. Boston is trying to rid themselves of an OF/DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 2:36 PM, Bob Sacamano said: This trade doesn't do anything for either team really. Boston is trying to rid themselves of an OF/DH. Expand What's your plan for bringing in non Tier C free agents? At least targeting Japanese players by leveraging Yoshida and Iguchi is an idea. Hard to prove it could be executed successfully, though. Same with HaSeong Kim and signing the other Kim (2B) that ended up with the Dodgers for $12 million to play IF together...planting a flag with future Korean players to come over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 2:02 PM, caulfield12 said: That broken hamate bone was with the Yankees in 2022...late in the season. It really affected him for 1 1/2 full seasons with the White Sox...? But then miraculously healed in the second half? Wouldn't they be able to dump his contract on someone if that was the conventional wisdom across baseball? Expand I believe Benintendi is saying now that in July, he had settled on some mechanical changes, and it all started to click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 2:41 PM, caulfield12 said: What's your plan for bringing in non Tier C free agents? At least targeting Japanese players by leveraging Yoshida and Iguchi is an idea. Hard to prove it could be executed successfully, though. Same with HaSeong Kim and signing the other Kim (2B) that ended up with the Dodgers for $12 million to play IF together...planting a flag with future Korean players to come over. Expand Ok....still makes zero sense for the Red Sox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 2:52 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Ok....still makes zero sense for the Red Sox. Expand At his more recent peak...2022, Benintendi's at leaet a 3+ fWAR player. Yoshida is older and unlikely to ever break even 2 fWAR. He was finally healthy in the second half and clearly outproduced Yoshida despite playing on the worst team in baseball history while Yoshida had Rafael Devers to protect him in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 3:37 PM, caulfield12 said: At his more recent peak...2022, Benintendi's at leaet a 3+ fWAR player. Yoshida is older and unlikely to ever break even 2 fWAR. He was finally healthy in the second half and clearly outproduced Yoshida despite playing on the worst team in baseball history while Yoshida had Rafael Devers to protect him in the lineup. Expand Then why do we want to trade this great 3 WAR ceiling player for Yoshida? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 They’ve got Duran, Rafaela and Abreu with Roman Anthony knocking on the door. No room for Benintendi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 4:42 PM, Bob Sacamano said: They’ve got Duran, Rafaela and Abreu with Roman Anthony knocking on the door. No room for Benintendi Expand Except Raffaela maybe can't hit and probably needs to replace Story at SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 6:25 PM, caulfield12 said: Except Raffaela maybe can't hit and probably needs to replace Story at SS. Expand Then it sounds like Yoshida can move to LF. Again, it’s a weird move to dump a bad contract OF for another bad contract OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 6:27 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Then it sounds like Yoshida can move to LF. Again, it’s a weird move to dump a bad contract OF for another bad contract OF. Expand Total change of scenery trade for both...unless you're buying that AB wants to be the de facto "veteran leader" of the Sox fighting off the boo birds when the Sox actually won games down the stretch drive at home to put off the all time loss record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) On 2/20/2025 at 6:34 PM, caulfield12 said: Total change of scenery trade for both...unless you're buying that AB wants to be the de facto "veteran leader" of the Sox fighting off the boo birds when the Sox actually won games down the stretch drive at home to put off the all time loss record Expand Why did I go down this rabbit hole. I usually know better. Edited February 20 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 After Robert is traded...Benintendi's salary dump will be the next target. Does anyone really think that JR will wait this time around until 2027 to try to clear it off the books? A follow up to second half 2024 of similar numbers makes it quite possible to move at least 70-75% of that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Texsox Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 How's their announcing crew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 8:57 PM, Texsox said: How's their announcing crew? Expand Boston? NPB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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