CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/4/2025 at 7:14 PM, fathom said: Nightengale made it seem like nothing at all is close in terms of JR selling Expand What would make you think anything is close other than terminal illness ? One thing we know for sure is that the kids sell when he dangles the carrot in the great beyond. We all wish it was sooner.I've speculated on a deal that makes it happen before then but that's very wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 There is literally nothing insightful from this interview. Sounds like a bunch of speculation on Bob’s part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 12:43 AM, Bob Sacamano said: I think you and many were just blindly hoping it was going to be an immediate switch like it’s the flip of a switch despite others not believing that. Expand I wasn’t blindly hoping anything…him dropping out of the Twins deal and buying a ton of White Sox shares after a call with Jerry tells me everything I need to know. And I never once said it would be an immediate switch…the deal with the minority investors doesn’t involve Jerry and I have always stated there would be have to be a follow-up transaction for him to take over control. No idea when that will happen, but I seriously doubt he’s going to wait for Jerry to die when there are ways to get around the tax issue for Jerry. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Sacamano Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) On 3/5/2025 at 12:49 AM, Chicago White Sox said: I wasn’t blindly hoping anything…him dropping out of the Twins deal and buying a ton of White Sox shares after a call with Jerry tells me everything I need to know. And I never once said it would be an immediate switch…the deal with the minority investors doesn’t involve Jerry and I have always stated there would be have to be a follow-up transaction for him to take over control. No idea when that will happen, but I seriously doubt he’s going to wait for Jerry to die when there are ways to get around the tax issue for Jerry. Expand Wait for the facts and details to come out. Don’t get too ahead of yourself. Edited March 5 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 12:44 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: What would make you think anything is close other than terminal illness ? One thing we know for sure is that the kids sell when he dangles the carrot in the great beyond. We all wish it was sooner.I've speculated on a deal that makes it happen before then but that's very wishful thinking. Expand Explosive cigars like for Fidel Castro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) On 3/4/2025 at 10:42 PM, Rey21 said: So Greenberg lied about Jerry going to Ishbia during the discussions with the Twins? Yeah I’m not buying it, I think it’s closer than we’re all being led to believe but don’t think it’s happening this year or anything Expand How did 2 + 2 not become 4 ? In 2021 Ishbia bought shares and was speculated to own around 5%. He wanted more but in the past after 2021 there was no one selling . So he turned to the Twins. Jerry sensed that he could possibly be losing a buyer for the team when he passed so it's likely he did reach out to him because he knew some minority owners were looking to sell and it was arranged . At some point Ishbia backed out of his commitment to the Twins . If he bought the Twins he would've had to sell his Sox shares. But instead probably because of JR he bought more of the Sox and back out of any negotiations to buy the Twins . It was thought Ishbia could be the Twins new owner as early as the start of this season. So, logically ,you'd think he wants to own a team fairly soon and it would be the White Sox. Whatever else, if anything ,they agreed to do is unknown. It is also unknown if Nightingale has his info correct or is just telling us what JR wants us to hear. Everything is speculation except we can be pretty sure at the end of February, 2025, Ishbia bought more shares. How much more we don't really know. Edited March 5 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 12:57 AM, Rey21 said: Expand On 3/5/2025 at 12:57 AM, Rey21 said: Expand Haha, to be fair, I seem to recall this trade almost being a done deal but the Sox backed out at the last minute when Escobar suffered a slight quadriceps strain. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/white-sox-discussing-eduardo-escobar-trade-with-diamondbacks.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) On 3/5/2025 at 12:44 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: What would make you think anything is close other than terminal illness ? One thing we know for sure is that the kids sell when he dangles the carrot in the great beyond. We all wish it was sooner.I've speculated on a deal that makes it happen before then but that's very wishful thinking. Expand He could definitely still give up control before he dies...that has nothing to do with capital gains taxes and everything to do with officially designating a new "control person." Edited March 5 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 1:27 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Haha, to be fair, I seem to recall this trade almost being a done deal but the Sox backed out at the last minute when Escobar suffered a slight quadriceps strain. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/white-sox-discussing-eduardo-escobar-trade-with-diamondbacks.html Expand An insider earlier pointed out that whoever Sox were sending was hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan18 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 12:10 AM, caulfield12 said: That's not a great ballpark. It's one of the more boring outdoor stadiums that I've been to. Just kind of blah/sterile. Not as bad as the Metrodome, obviously, but not much of a home field advantage either. Expand I disagree, think it's very underrated. Maybe the nicest concourses of the 11 current parks I've been to, very spacious and a great view of the field from anywhere. Very walkable park, fun place to wander around to different areas. Lots of variety in the seating options as well, I really like the home run porch and the covered bleachers in left. And home field advantage barely exists in baseball, if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 You can tell the people who read the original reporting by Greenberg and Hayes and the people who haven’t in regards to this story and that includes the media. Those stories are both essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTC Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 1:04 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Explosive cigars like for Fidel Castro? Expand Think more like ricin/polonium-210 and Georgi Markov or Alexander Litvinenko. The only question is, is it us that’s being slowly poisoned to death …? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) On 3/5/2025 at 2:54 AM, RTC said: Think more like ricin/polonium-210 and Georgi Markov or Alexander Litvinenko. The only question is, is it us that’s being slowly poisoned to death …? Expand I might almost hate (the better word at this point is detest, I guess) Reinsdorf...but Russian nerve agents are probably not the answer. Or jokes about them. Edited March 5 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 12:44 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: What would make you think anything is close other than terminal illness ? One thing we know for sure is that the kids sell when he dangles the carrot in the great beyond. We all wish it was sooner.I've speculated on a deal that makes it happen before then but that's very wishful thinking. Expand David Kaplan has been saying they will be sold by the end of the year 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTC Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 3:04 AM, caulfield12 said: I might almost hate (the better word at this point is detest, I guess) Reinsdorf...but Russian nerve agents are probably not the answer. Or jokes about them. Expand I meant for us because that’s what it can feel like, not him. Sorry if I offended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 3:05 AM, fathom said: David Kaplan has been saying they will be sold by the end of the year Expand While that would be nice remember these other Kaplan stories: The Cubs would not be outbid for Tanaka... Joe Girardi will be the Cubs next manager... Albert Pujols will be signing with the Cubs... Kaplan doesn't have a lot of credibility in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 12:10 AM, caulfield12 said: That's not a great ballpark. It's one of the more boring outdoor stadiums that I've been to. Just kind of blah/sterile. Not as bad as the Metrodome, obviously, but not much of a home field advantage either. Twenty year old stadium, it's another 10-15 years before they even THINK about replacing it...and the Twins' fanbase has grown so disenchanted with the Pohlads not spending past a certain point, there's just not nearly as much overall support there as for the Vikings or TWolves. The Twins' valuation was $1.5 billion...you've got a secondary media market, vs. the opportunity to build a new stadium in Chicago in the #3 media market, and come in as the "hero/savior" to a frustrated fanbase, it's a no-brainer as an investment to choose potential of the White Sox. Meanwhile, the Twins are saddled with the Correa and Buxton contracts....one of their starting pitchers at $15-20 million as well. Expand Target Field is 15 years old - it opened in 2010. And I agree on the 2nd part I bolded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 4:33 AM, 77 Hitmen said: Target Field is 15 years old - it opened in 2010. And I agree on the 2nd part I bolded. Expand I guess I was going back to the 2001-02 when the Commissioner's office was (first) threatening the Twins with contraction. The process of getting the stadium built started from that point, culminating in 2010 and then all those consecutive losses to the Yankees in the post-season, haha. And the (sort of) end of lots of traumatic losses by the White Sox to the Twins up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 3:05 AM, fathom said: David Kaplan has been saying they will be sold by the end of the year Expand Pretty sure he said he wouldn't be surprised if he sold, not that it was something he thought was imminent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 5:32 AM, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Pretty sure he said he wouldn't be surprised if he sold, not that it was something he thought was imminent. Expand It's going to have to be another of these "threatening the 2024 White Sox/1962 expansion Mets" seasons in terms of ineptitude to get him to finally capitulate...more signs at the ballpark/media and fan pressure, because "Sell the Team" doesn't quite work for signs and chants if he's already technically done that. More like, "relinquish control of the team!"...but that's not exactly an exciting/exhilarating chant now, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just remember, Bobs source is JR. So he is going to say what JR wants him to say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 3:05 AM, fathom said: David Kaplan has been saying they will be sold by the end of the year Expand So in 10 months according to Kap.Sounds like more speculation to be me but could also be an illness timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/4/2025 at 9:49 PM, fathom said: Not that I buy it, but he also mentioned Ishbia dropping out of the Twins race was less about him acquiring the Sox and more that maybe the Twins was a bad investment. Expand I think it looks bad to other owners to potentially poach their buyer. I also don't think Jerry ever has to be closer to selling to give up control. I still find it hard to believe that ishbia wants to own 40-50+% of something while someone else tanks it into the ground. I always thought it would likely take a year or two, so I'll be optimistic and say one year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2025 at 2:03 AM, Y2Jimmy0 said: You can tell the people who read the original reporting by Greenberg and Hayes and the people who haven’t in regards to this story and that includes the media. Those stories are both essential. Expand Two quotes from Hayes article that you consider "essential." "People with knowledge of the situation believe Ishbia’s deal with the White Sox comes with an eventual path to take a controlling interest from longtime owner Jerry Reinsdorf." "However, the White Sox issued a statement denying that the deal comes with provisions for Ishbia to take control." and the Greenberg article: "People with knowledge of the discussions believe that the deal will allow Ishbia to take control of the team at some point by buying the shares of longtime owner Jerry Reinsdorf and other partners. But a White Sox official on Friday night disputed that notion, even though it would be unusual for prospective owners to make significant investments for minority shares without the promise of their stakes growing larger." There was nothing essential stated in either article to help estimate a transition period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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