What else is new: Moncada is hurt

[pcq]

  On 3/16/2025 at 11:35 PM, chitownsportsfan said:

Sure and they were also facing 88mph heaters. Thing about the old days is they the old days.

Moncada just has bad luck and is injury prone. Eloy never cared to be in shape imo.

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I worry about what's in their heads. Maybe nothing. 

[Chick Mercedes]

  On 3/16/2025 at 9:37 PM, nrockway said:

I dunno if you can really tell what's in a person's heart, maybe Rendon's, but I never got the impression that Moncada was just milkin it. I think you have to just feel sorry for both him and Eloy. Fell sorry about ourselves, the joke is ultimately on us, but I don't think I have any reason to question his desire. Maybe he ate too much candy. Then again, these players seemed to get hurt a whole lot less when they weren't constantly lifting weights and were subsisting on a diet of beer, chewing tobacco, steak dinners and sunflower seeds.

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Moncada looks outwardly he has all the passion of a corpse at a wake

[caulfield12]

  On 3/16/2025 at 11:47 PM, Chick Mercedes said:

Moncada looks outwardly he has all the passion of a corpse at a wake

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The joke we should have guffawed at was from Passan's article way back in 2016 when he originally signed with Boston about eating too many Twinkies.

That was an early indication.

[nrockway]

If Eloy wasn’t in shape, I’m the fattest mother fucker who ever lived. Guy looks like a Greek god. 

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/17/2025 at 12:01 AM, nrockway said:

If Eloy wasn’t in shape, I’m the fattest mother fucker who ever lived. Guy looks like a Greek god. 

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Agreed, they look like Greek gods and are made of glass. 

[Chick Mercedes]

  On 3/16/2025 at 11:58 PM, caulfield12 said:

The joke we should have guffawed at was from Passan's article way back in 2016 when he originally signed with Boston about eating too many Twinkies.

That was an early indication.

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We can’t tell what’s in a person’s heart, but if you didn’t get the impression he had no heart, not sure what didn’t give you that impression 

[nrockway]

  On 3/17/2025 at 12:03 AM, Lip Man 1 said:

Agreed, they look like Greek gods and are made of glass. 

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I think Ozzie made a good point once upon a time: you can’t pull fat. 
 

I don’t think these guys aren’t working hard enough, I think they care very much about what they do, especially the aforementioned players, but I wonder if they’re working on the right things.
What do I know, I’m not in my best shape, but I don’t think I’m going to get injured running the bases — and I’m a fair amount older than Eloy. I think if he was lying, his employer might’ve realized it. Might’ve said something. It’s a bit of money on the line. I wonder why they paid Vaughn $6mil or whatever.

I think some players don’t work hard, just not sure you could say it about some of the recent Sox. Seems like they’re all trying their best, just that their best isn’t good enough. It’s a good life lesson. 

[soulfly]

  On 3/17/2025 at 12:01 AM, nrockway said:

If Eloy wasn’t in shape, I’m the fattest mother fucker who ever lived. Guy looks like a Greek god. 

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He looked like one of the least athletic guys doing just about anything other than swinging a bat any time he was on the field.  Problem is, he thought he was good at everything else that came along with the game of baseball.  His performance in the field proved he wasn't.  Maybe if he just accepted he was just a DH and nothing else. maybe he wouldn't have been injured all the time.

[nrockway]

  On 3/17/2025 at 3:47 AM, soulfly said:

He looked like one of the least athletic guys doing just about anything other than swinging a bat any time he was on the field.  Problem is, he thought he was good at everything else that came along with the game of baseball.  His performance in the field proved he wasn't.  Maybe if he just accepted he was just a DH and nothing else. maybe he wouldn't have been injured all the time.

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Gosh, I’m just thinking….i don’t have a body like that. Eloy specifically looks great. Dude is a hunk, my opinion is unchanged regardless of what he says about his momma. He says nice things, bonus points.  I don’t work out. But it clearly takes work to produce that body. Thus I think they spent all their time lifting weights instead of swinging a bat. I think there’s a meme on this forum about this. Probably should’ve been focusing on other things, ie swinging a bat. I’m wondering about Lenyn…he’s looked nice over the last ~100ab I’ve seen him take….but the “development path” seems similar to Eloy: lift a ton of weights, then learn how to play baseball. Perhaps one should come before the other. 

[Chick Mercedes]

  On 3/17/2025 at 3:32 AM, nrockway said:

I think Ozzie made a good point once upon a time: you can’t pull fat. 
 

I don’t think these guys aren’t working hard enough, I think they care very much about what they do, especially the aforementioned players, but I wonder if they’re working on the right things.
What do I know, I’m not in my best shape, but I don’t think I’m going to get injured running the bases — and I’m a fair amount older than Eloy. I think if he was lying, his employer might’ve realized it. Might’ve said something. It’s a bit of money on the line. I wonder why they paid Vaughn $6mil or whatever.

I think some players don’t work hard, just not sure you could say it about some of the recent Sox. Seems like they’re all trying their best, just that their best isn’t good enough. It’s a good life lesson. 

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It’s all relative, and it’s a bottom line business. 

[bmags]

  On 3/17/2025 at 5:04 AM, nrockway said:

Gosh, I’m just thinking….i don’t have a body like that. Eloy specifically looks great. Dude is a hunk, my opinion is unchanged regardless of what he says about his momma. He says nice things, bonus points.  I don’t work out. But it clearly takes work to produce that body. Thus I think they spent all their time lifting weights instead of swinging a bat. I think there’s a meme on this forum about this. Probably should’ve been focusing on other things, ie swinging a bat. I’m wondering about Lenyn…he’s looked nice over the last ~100ab I’ve seen him take….but the “development path” seems similar to Eloy: lift a ton of weights, then learn how to play baseball. Perhaps one should come before the other. 

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I 100% agree. Robert too. I don't really think these guys were optimizing their body for baseball. 

[oldsox]

Moncada just picked the wrong sport.

[Chick Mercedes]

  On 3/17/2025 at 2:25 PM, oldsox said:

Moncada just picked the wrong sport.

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Pro wrestling? They don’t play hockey in Cuba. If they played football, Moncada doesn’t fit in with screaming coaches yelling “LETS GO!”. *Moncada saunters onto the gridiron.*

[WestEddy]

  On 3/17/2025 at 4:49 PM, Chick Mercedes said:

Pro wrestling? They don’t play hockey in Cuba. If they played football, Moncada doesn’t fit in with screaming coaches yelling “LETS GO!”. *Moncada saunters onto the gridiron.*

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Hot dog eating. 

[ptatc]

  On 3/17/2025 at 5:10 PM, WestEddy said:

Hot dog eating. 

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Twinkle eating. 

[JoeCredeYes]

  On 3/17/2025 at 12:01 AM, nrockway said:

If Eloy wasn’t in shape, I’m the fattest mother fucker who ever lived. Guy looks like a Greek god. 

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I'm 41 now, but in my 20's I was 6'5" and typically around 220-230.  I lifted a few times a week for most of my 20's, but never took my cardio very seriously and if you asked me to run a mile without stopping it would probably take me 8 minutes, but I sure looked like I was in shape.  It's easy to look the part if you're tall and have good genetics and still be in miserable cardio condition. 

[Chick Mercedes]

  On 3/17/2025 at 7:15 PM, JoeCredeYes said:

I'm 41 now, but in my 20's I was 6'5" and typically around 220-230.  I lifted a few times a week for most of my 20's, but never took my cardio very seriously and if you asked me to run a mile without stopping it would probably take me 8 minutes, but I sure looked like I was in shape.  It's easy to look the part if you're tall and have good genetics and still be in miserable cardio condition. 

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If you were running an 8 minute mile at 6’5, you’re cardio was pretty great. It’s not 5 miles in 40 minutes, but that was pretty good.

[soulfly]

  On 3/18/2025 at 1:46 AM, Chick Mercedes said:

If you were running an 8 minute mile at 6’5, you’re cardio was pretty great. It’s not 5 miles in 40 minutes, but that was pretty good.

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I mean, you can basically walk a mile in 10 minutes at a pretty decent pace if you're in somewhat decent shape.  So I agree with Crede, 8 isn't killing it by any means.

[Chick Mercedes]

  On 3/18/2025 at 6:11 AM, soulfly said:

I mean, you can basically walk a mile in 10 minutes at a pretty decent pace if you're in somewhat decent shape.  So I agree with Crede, 8 isn't killing it by any means.

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I’d like to see you demonstrate that. If you’re a professional race walker, then sure.

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[JoeC]

  On 3/18/2025 at 11:32 AM, Chick Mercedes said:

I’d like to see you demonstrate that. If you’re a professional race walker, then perhaps

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  On 3/18/2025 at 6:11 AM, soulfly said:

I mean, you can basically walk a mile in 10 minutes at a pretty decent pace if you're in somewhat decent shape.  So I agree with Crede, 8 isn't killing it by any means.

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A fast walk is a 15-minute mile.

An 8:00 mile is moderately fast. For someone who is in decent shape (not a lot of extra weight), they could do one mile in 8:00.

[poppysox]

  On 2/28/2025 at 4:25 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Worst draft pick in MLB history.

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That would be Courtney Hawkins

[JoeCredeYes]

  On 3/18/2025 at 6:11 AM, soulfly said:

I mean, you can basically walk a mile in 10 minutes at a pretty decent pace if you're in somewhat decent shape.  So I agree with Crede, 8 isn't killing it by any means.

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For sure, the point of my post was if you saw me you'd think I was in shape, but if I was doing any taxing cardio stuff I would be gassed pretty quickly.  Eloy looked the part, but his body couldn't handle the full rigors of a baseball season. 

[Chick Mercedes]

  On 3/18/2025 at 1:51 PM, JoeCredeYes said:

For sure, the point of my post was if you saw me you'd think I was in shape, but if I was doing any taxing cardio stuff I would be gassed pretty quickly.  Eloy looked the part, but his body couldn't handle the full rigors of a baseball season. 

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Just to note, I”d say an 8 min mile is moving pretty good. Most people are gonna be pretty happy being able to move that fast, that’s athletic. And especially a 24 min 5k. That aside, baseball is not really an aerobic sport. Especially endurance not really needed. Just strength and fitness overall.  

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/17/2025 at 7:15 PM, JoeCredeYes said:

I'm 41 now, but in my 20's I was 6'5" and typically around 220-230.  I lifted a few times a week for most of my 20's, but never took my cardio very seriously and if you asked me to run a mile without stopping it would probably take me 8 minutes, but I sure looked like I was in shape.  It's easy to look the part if you're tall and have good genetics and still be in miserable cardio condition. 

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Don't sell yourself short.  There are a LOT of people who couldn't hit an eight minute mile, and that is speaking as someone who broke 5 minutes in college a long time ago.  I would bet a vast majority of people couldn't do it.  Hell I couldn't do it today.

[JoeCredeYes]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:52 PM, Chick Mercedes said:

Just to note, I”d say an 8 min mile is moving pretty good. Most people are gonna be pretty happy being able to move that fast, that’s athletic. And especially a 24 min 5k. That aside, baseball is not really an aerobic sport. Especially endurance not really needed. Just strength and fitness overall.  

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An 8 min mile might be pretty good for an average human, for an MLB outfielder it's pathetic.  I would argue it's way more aerobic than you're making it out to be, the guy couldn't get to first base without pulling up lame, I'm simply trying to make the point that looking good with your shirt off and being "in shape" are two very different things.