Chicago White Sox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 6:31 AM, greg775 said: How come NBA doesn't care about "rushing" prospects? They play the 1 and done college guys on 2 way contracts their rookie seasons then if they aren't good in year two they quickly lose the 'top prospect' tag as they've proven they can't play. I see no reason guys 21 and 22 can't be regulars on MLB teams like in NBA and in NHL and soccer. Expand Still trolling after all these years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 6:31 AM, greg775 said: How come NBA doesn't care about "rushing" prospects? They play the 1 and done college guys on 2 way contracts their rookie seasons then if they aren't good in year two they quickly lose the 'top prospect' tag as they've proven they can't play. I see no reason guys 21 and 22 can't be regulars on MLB teams like in NBA and in NHL and soccer. Expand “How come different sports are different from each other? Is it because of the differences in pretty much everything?” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 12:25 PM, Kyyle23 said: “How come different sports are different from each other? Is it because of the differences in pretty much everything?” Expand Greg just reentered the world after years of Captain America style hibernating and doesn’t get how these sports are different! Give him a fucking break Kyle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 12:30 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Greg just reentered the world after years of Captain America style hibernating and doesn’t get how these sports are different! Give him a fucking break Kyle! Expand Super soldier Greg here to change the world 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 With 3 games still to go I am excited about a potential win in February. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I know people are super down and rightfully so, but there is actual stuff to look forward to this year. First & foremost, we will have a sizable group of young players on the major league roster this year. On the positional side, you start with current top 100 prospects in Montgomery, Teel, & Quero. In addition, you have a former top 40 prospect in Vargas and a former fringe top 100 prospect in Ramos. And on top of that, you have a super versatile player in Baldwin who put up a 150 wRC+ in the upper minors last year, another infielder in Meidroth who put up a 132 wRC+ in AAA due to a .437 OBP, and a third infielder in Sosa who put up a 173 wRC+ in Sep/Oct and who was overall a league average hitter last year per Statcast despite his chase & walk issues. While this group obviously lacks the star potential that the previous rebuild core possessed, there is a lot of depth here and I’m confident that we can quickly build a foundation of good 2+ win players across the infield and at catcher. IMO, it will be super fun to watch. On the pitching side, the major league rotation will lack the level of intrigue that the 2024 version possessed. There is no TOR ceiling type arm like there was with Crochet last year and Fedde was more interesting as a potential trade chip than Martin Perez. Regardless, there is a lot to be excited about even if the Big Three arms don’t arrive this year. Year 2 of Davis Martin post TJS is going to be super interesting. He’s coming off 10 starts of league average production and should only get better as the rust wears off and and he gets more work in with Bannister (sounds like he’s added a sinker to his already vast arsenal). Cannon may lack a high ceiling, but he already looks a legit BOR major league starter who will soak up a ton of innings. Can he be more than? Burke may be the most interesting arm on the roster next year. Massive dude with four legit pitches who Keith Law is a big fan of and who cracked a Fangraphs’ top 25 pitching prospect list based on projected peak major league performance. He has a chance to be super valuable SP if he can stay healthy and harness his command. And while he won’t be ready for OD, Thorpe is high on my list of must follows for next year. I think the prospect community and this site are sleeping on this kid way too much. I get Region’s Park is super pitching friendly, but we’re talking about a consensus top 100 prospect (who was as high as the 50’s) who just put up a 1.35 ERA across 11 starts last year. Yes, he didn’t look great in his last handful of major league starts, but there is strong reason to believe the kid was not 100% healthy at the time. I personally believe with a little improvement to his 4 seamer and repertoire changes that allow for less reliance on it, he can develop into a solid mid rotation starter. And given the length of this post, I won’t go into much detail regarding the minors, but this is the deepest system we have had in over a decade or more. The rotations will be loaded throughout. There are actually some high upside positional guys worth following in B. Montgomery, Wolkow, Bonemer, etc. It’s going to be a fun follow on a daily basis regardless how bad the parent club is. Finally, and most importantly, we should finally get confirmation on what life after Jerry might look like. I have been as down as anyone when it comes to this team and a big part of that was there was zero margin for error with the farm system as Free Agency isn’t a foundational level with Jerry. But the change to Ishbia will completely change that equation and it’s important to take in next year with that consideration in mind. We don’t need to win 70 games next year to feel good about our future… we just need to find enough long-term pieces that can provide us with a solid floor that we supplement via free agency. And that should excite the fanbase more than pretty much anything next year. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 The Sox are also stock-piling OFs in A-ball. Zavala, Wolkow and Casey Saucke at Winston-Salem, and Montgomery, McLain, McConnell and McCants at Kanny. Looking for a breakout or two. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/24/2025 at 10:27 PM, DirtySox said: The minors. Expand I think this is the only one field answer that isn't a stretch of the imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 6:31 AM, greg775 said: How come NBA doesn't care about "rushing" prospects? They play the 1 and done college guys on 2 way contracts their rookie seasons then if they aren't good in year two they quickly lose the 'top prospect' tag as they've proven they can't play. I see no reason guys 21 and 22 can't be regulars on MLB teams like in NBA and in NHL and soccer. Expand I have a couple ideas. Because baseball is mired in preserving how it was done when granddad was alive. There is an intensive minor league structure that needs athletes to work at minimum wage for lots of people to make money off of. Somehow the athleticism that baseball requires takes longer to develop than literally every other sport invented by humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 And while they're probably schlubs who are only delaying their next careers, curious to see if Alec Makarewicz and Lyle Miller-Green are actual hitters, or just college wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 5:47 PM, Texsox said: I have a couple ideas. Because baseball is mired in preserving how it was done when granddad was alive. There is an intensive minor league structure that needs athletes to work at minimum wage for lots of people to make money off of. Somehow the athleticism that baseball requires takes longer to develop than literally every other sport invented by humans. Expand You don't think that baseball has a lot more fundamentals tied to the existence of bases that require extensive drilling? And that hitting is the hardest endeavor in all of sports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 5:47 PM, Texsox said: I have a couple ideas. Because baseball is mired in preserving how it was done when granddad was alive. There is an intensive minor league structure that needs athletes to work at minimum wage for lots of people to make money off of. Somehow the athleticism that baseball requires takes longer to develop than literally every other sport invented by humans. Expand Amen. I've never been fooled by this, "He is not ready," talk in baseball. So many fans 'appear' to live in fear of 'rushing' their top prospects. Why? You give me one good reason Montgomery would play AA or AAA this year instead of MLB. Or even some of these pitchers who are 'close' but certainly 'not ready?' Now because of analytics a player is basically done after his age 34 season. He has to be coddled and not be an MLB regular til 24. So we're down to 8 year careers now (Hall of Fame in the future, lol) max compared to say the Pete Rose era guys who played 20 years. Yes Pete Rose made his debut at 22. It can, and should be the norm for the studs of baseball IMO. Glad to see somebody finally agreed with me on an issue, in the form of Texsox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 5:52 PM, WestEddy said: You don't think that baseball has a lot more fundamentals tied to the existence of bases that require extensive drilling? And that hitting is the hardest endeavor in all of sports? Expand No. Why should a player 'waste' all those at bats or 'waste' all the stress on the arm in something as uinimportant as minor league baseball. These guys can play college ball 3 years then hit the pros running rather than play 2-3-4 years of minor league ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 7:57 PM, greg775 said: Amen. I've never been fooled by this, "He is not ready," talk in baseball. So many fans 'appear' to live in fear of 'rushing' their top prospects. Why? You give me one good reason Montgomery would play AA or AAA this year instead of MLB. Or even some of these pitchers who are 'close' but certainly 'not ready?' Now because of analytics a player is basically done after his age 34 season. He has to be coddled and not be an MLB regular til 24. So we're down to 8 year careers now (Hall of Fame in the future, lol) max compared to say the Pete Rose era guys who played 20 years. Yes Pete Rose made his debut at 22. It can, and should be the norm for the studs of baseball IMO. Glad to see somebody finally agreed with me on an issue, in the form of Texsox. Expand How about the fact he was terrible last year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 4:33 AM, ptatc said: I did for the second half of last year. Made a couple of bucks. Plan to do the same this year. Easy money. Expand But how do you make real $$ with the strategy. If you bet the Sox to lose it'll be -250 or more every game. Is it worth the bet to bet when the Sox will be -350 or so every game to lose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) On 2/26/2025 at 8:02 PM, greg775 said: But how do you make real $$ with the strategy. If you bet the Sox to lose it'll be -250 or more every game. Is it worth the bet to bet when the Sox will be -350 or so every game to lose? Expand You gotta bet Runline or Alternate Runlines (so to lose by 2 or more) Edited February 26 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 8:00 PM, southsider2k5 said: How about the fact he was terrible last year? Expand Terrible in the minors. Let's start his clock like the Royals did with Witt and see where he stands after 2 seasons. Witt stunk year one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 8:05 PM, greg775 said: Terrible in the minors. Let's start his clock like the Royals did with Witt and see where he stands after 2 seasons. Witt stunk year one. Expand hahahahahahaha, you just make up whatever works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 8:03 PM, Bob Sacamano said: You gotta bet Runline or Alternate Runlines (so to lose by 2 or more) Expand Yeah, if you want big coin you need to do that. I just do enough that it funds itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 8:08 PM, ptatc said: Yeah, if you want big coin you need to do that. I just do enough that it funds itself. Expand I wish I had started already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Hagen Smith. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 9:58 PM, DirtySox said: Hagen Smith. Expand He's gonna be really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) Witt's 2.3 rookie fWAR was "terrible" for him but double the best Sox players last year other than Fedde and Crochet. Then a 5.8 followed by last year's 10.4. Edited February 26 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/26/2025 at 5:52 PM, WestEddy said: You don't think that baseball has a lot more fundamentals tied to the existence of bases that require extensive drilling? And that hitting is the hardest endeavor in all of sports? Expand No. I believe if baseball started in the 21st century there wouldn't be an extensive minor league industrial complex that needs warm bodies. Let's agree that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing in sports. These players have been hitting balls for ten years or so when they get drafted. Do they really need 12 or 14? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I'm excited for another year of White Sox baseball. Its a new year and i'm hoping for better things in 2025. I renewed my season tickets recently and I'm looking forward to Opening Day 2025. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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