Heads22 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 https://bsky.app/profile/jrfegan.soxmachine.com/post/3ljsnove66c2o Quote White Sox say both reliever Prelander Berroa and prospect righty Juan Carela will undergo Tommy John surgery. Expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) This is why @southsider2k5 and others always say you need basically 2 or 3 times the prospects that you think you need. Many will need surgery and many will bust. Brutal. That Santos trade went from looking good a year ago to pretty bad. Edited March 7 by WhiteSox2023 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Including Larson and Bush, that's four. Then Thorpe's situation is still a bit cloudy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/7/2025 at 6:47 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: This is why @southsider2k5 and others always say you need basically 2 or 3 times the prospects that you think you need. Many will need surgery and many will bust. Brutal. That Santos trade went from looking good a year ago to pretty bad. Expand So we went and pretty much lost an entire rotations worth of pitchers in the last month. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) In a way, I would rather have these guys have this surgery now before they are any good then when we are counting on them. Hopefully, they come back better than before, like the $6 million man. Edited March 7 by Dick Allen 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/7/2025 at 7:47 PM, Dick Allen said: In a way, I would rather have these guys have this surgery now before they are any good then when we are counting on them. Hopefully, they come back better than before, like the $6 million man. Expand Agreed. Still sucks obviously, but this season was always going to be a wash anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/7/2025 at 6:47 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: This is why @southsider2k5 and others always say you need basically 2 or 3 times the prospects that you think you need. Many will need surgery and many will bust. Brutal. That Santos trade went from looking good a year ago to pretty bad. Expand Can never have enough pitching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/7/2025 at 7:47 PM, Dick Allen said: In a way, I would rather have these guys have this surgery now before they are any good then when we are counting on them. Hopefully, they come back better than before, like the $6 million man. Expand Yep. The way pitchers throw today it's not if they will have a UCL reconstruction it's when. It's a shame but that's the game today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 This likely means Berroa is done with the Sox. He's out of options and he's likely not back until mid 2026 and he didn't exactly look ready for the bigs in his short stint. Seems like the most likely outcome on him is he gets DFAed next spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/7/2025 at 10:23 PM, mac9001 said: This likely means Berroa is done with the Sox. He's out of options and he's likely not back until mid 2026 and he didn't exactly look ready for the bigs in his short stint. Seems like the most likely outcome on him is he gets DFAed next spring. Expand Fangraphs indicates Berroa has one more option which won't be used this year if he gets put on the 60-day IL. I would imagine they do that with either Berroa, Carella, or both to avoid playing the season with 38 active players on the 40-man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/7/2025 at 10:40 PM, WestEddy said: Fangraphs indicates Berroa has one more option which won't be used this year if he gets put on the 60-day IL. I would imagine they do that with either Berroa, Carella, or both to avoid playing the season with 38 active players on the 40-man. Expand I didn't realize you save a option year by using the 60 day DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Organization continues to lead the world in TJS every year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 1:39 AM, mac9001 said: I didn't realize you save a option year by using the 60 day DL. Expand I'm pretty sure that on the 60-day IL, you stay on the pro squad, albeit, on the IL. He burns a year of service time, but they save the option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/7/2025 at 10:40 PM, WestEddy said: Fangraphs indicates Berroa has one more option which won't be used this year if he gets put on the 60-day IL. I would imagine they do that with either Berroa, Carella, or both to avoid playing the season with 38 active players on the 40-man. Expand No reason not to, it's two free roster spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 So Carela was optioned today. Does that mean if they put him in the 60 day they won't burn his option? I forgot that Berroa was technical on the active roster so they didn't have to option him they could just place him on the 60 day, keep him on the MLB roster and just eat a year of service time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 5:32 AM, mac9001 said: So Carela was optioned today. Does that mean if they put him in the 60 day they won't burn his option? I forgot that Berroa was technical on the active roster so they didn't have to option him they could just place him on the 60 day, keep him on the MLB roster and just eat a year of service time. Expand No, he's on the 40-man. If he's not on the 26-man, they're burning an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 2:33 AM, Soxfest said: Organization continues to lead the world in TJS every year Expand That’s, uh, not true at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 5:32 AM, mac9001 said: So Carela was optioned today. Does that mean if they put him in the 60 day they won't burn his option? I forgot that Berroa was technical on the active roster so they didn't have to option him they could just place him on the 60 day, keep him on the MLB roster and just eat a year of service time. Expand I think Berroa is more valuable with an extra option than an extra year of service time. I’d put him on the major league DL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I wonder if they try to DFA Carela. Carrying him on the 40 man all year may be a bigger pain than he’s worth. I doubt too many teams want to claim him on waivers right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 3:31 PM, Timmy U said: I wonder if they try to DFA Carela. Carrying him on the 40 man all year may be a bigger pain than he’s worth. I doubt too many teams want to claim him on waivers right now. Expand He’ll go on 60 day when they need a spot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 3:37 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: He’ll go on 60 day when they need a spot Expand speaking as a layman, why not put him on the 60 man immediately? is there some kind of chance for a PA grievance or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 5:58 PM, Heads22 said: speaking as a layman, why not put him on the 60 man immediately? is there some kind of chance for a PA grievance or something? Expand A team can only use the 60-day IL when they need to add a player. They can't just put a guy on the 60-day and be at 39 players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/7/2025 at 10:23 PM, mac9001 said: This likely means Berroa is done with the Sox. He's out of options and he's likely not back until mid 2026 and he didn't exactly look ready for the bigs in his short stint. Seems like the most likely outcome on him is he gets DFAed next spring. Expand good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 6:02 PM, WestEddy said: A team can only use the 60-day IL when they need to add a player. They can't just put a guy on the 60-day and be at 39 players. Expand Thank you. To that end, why not put him on the 15 (I realize he would shift to the 60) and it is procedural, but what's the advantage of waiting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/8/2025 at 7:42 PM, Heads22 said: Thank you. To that end, why not put him on the 15 (I realize he would shift to the 60) and it is procedural, but what's the advantage of waiting? Expand There's no regular IL right now because there's no 26-man rosters in effect. And the 10-day (15-day?) doesn't open any spot on the 40-man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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