vilehoopster Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 1:49 AM, Chicago White Sox said: Did you see Burke in the majors last year? Expand This is a great point that's hard for me to argue with. I'm upset about the team not looking at ST performances, especially Smith's; but then I'm ignoring Burke's incredible September in real MLB games. Maybe he is the way to go? We'll see. With that said, if Smith is not in the starting rotation, I'm going to be posting the first fire Venable post . . . maybe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/16/2025 at 9:58 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: He's got 0% chance of being as good as Crochet, but he could be a young Freddy Garcia with a better k/9. Good 4 pitch mix, plus velo, big body and extension. Expand To be fair, Crochet only had slightly more than a 0% chance of being as good as Crochet last year, per most assessments (mine included) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) On 3/17/2025 at 1:45 PM, 46DidIt said: Kind of hard to imagine any of these guys aside from Perez racking up very many innings. Could get brutal after injuries mount with the pen worn out by July Expand Why can't you imagine a staff of Cannon (161), B. Wilson (102), Thorpe (102), Burke (90), S. Smith (94) and Davis Martin (70) throwing 120 IP each? That's 4 IP for 30 games. You're saying that none of these guys are major league pitchers and won't be able to handle pitching loads they just threw last year. This also presupposes they all will completely forget how to pitch to major league hitters. That seems fanciful. Edited March 17 by WestEddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 1:55 PM, Dick Allen said: I'm glad they gave it to a guy who may have a future with the team rather than a re-tread who will be gone at the end of the season at the latest. Expand James Shields was the most recent one that sticks in my craw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 The interesting thing was i was watching a bit of the breakout game yesterday and they had Getz on. Getz seemed to imply that the opening day starter is his call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 5:14 PM, Dick Allen said: The interesting thing was i was watching a bit of the breakout game yesterday and they had Getz on. Getz seemed to imply that the opening day starter is his call. Expand In the game today, the GM and analytics staff has much of the pregame decision power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/16/2025 at 6:17 PM, Tony said: Seriously. Has nothing to do with the player himself, just embarrassing Sean Burke is the best an organization can throw out there Opening Day. If you didn’t announce the starter until the day of the game, 90% in attendance would say “Who?” Expand I can't even get wound up about it to be honest. It's not like there is a Garrett Crochet in the bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/16/2025 at 7:48 PM, ptatc said: That's just depressing. Expand Welcome to the 2025 Chicago White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:04 PM, southsider2k5 said: Welcome to the 2025 Chicago White Sox. Expand Thats only true if you can't just enjoy a baseball game. I know they are going to suck and not win much but a summer baseball game is still enjoyable for many. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:03 PM, southsider2k5 said: I can't even get wound up about it to be honest. It's not like there is a Garrett Crochet in the bunch. Expand Be honest. Did you think Garrett Crochet was going to be what he was prior to opening day last year? I didn't think so, so last year they didn't have a Garrett crochet either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/16/2025 at 8:56 PM, WestEddy said: As a 3rd rounder, the guy was always a dude. He just needed to return from the injury. Expand The Sox have gotten 1 guy in the last 25 drafts in the 3rd round who put up more than 5 total war in their entire MLB playing career. Hopefully he is more than our usual "dude" as only 8 of them put up more than a positive WAR in their major league career, with about half never making the majors at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:08 PM, ptatc said: Be honest. Did you think Garrett Crochet was going to be what he was prior to opening day last year? I didn't think so, so last year they didn't have a Garrett crochet either. Expand Garrett Crochet always had superstar stuff in his arm. That is not applicable to anyone else who is going to be on this major league roster as a pitcher to open this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:12 PM, southsider2k5 said: The Sox have gotten 1 guy in the last 25 drafts in the 3rd round who put up more than 5 total war in their entire MLB playing career. Hopefully he is more than our usual "dude" as only 8 of them put up more than a positive WAR in their major league career, with about half never making the majors at all. Expand His tuff looks good. In the minors it was health. That will determine his worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:06 PM, ptatc said: Thats only true if you can't just enjoy a baseball game. I know they are going to suck and not win much but a summer baseball game is still enjoyable for many. Expand There is a difference between enjoying A baseball game, and this disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:13 PM, southsider2k5 said: Garrett Crochet always had superstar stuff in his arm. That is not applicable to anyone else who is going to be on this major league roster as a pitcher to open this season. Expand Crochet had never started in his life. I would say both Burke and smith have electric stuff as well. With more quality pitches than crochet showed before last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:15 PM, southsider2k5 said: There is a difference between enjoying A baseball game, and this disaster. Expand No there isn't. If only go to se wins then yes. However if you can enjoy a baseball game then there isnt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:16 PM, ptatc said: Crochet had never started in his life. I would say both Burke and smith have electric stuff as well. With more quality pitches than crochet showed before last year. Expand If you are telling me to expect Sean Burke to be Garrett Crochet, I can't even take you seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:17 PM, ptatc said: No there isn't. If only go to se wins then yes. However if you can enjoy a baseball game then there isnt. Expand Cool, then you enjoy it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:17 PM, southsider2k5 said: If you are telling me to expect Sean Burke to be Garrett Crochet, I can't even take you seriously. Expand You don't have to, I don't think you do anyway. Not saying quite crochet level but as far as a breakout star pitcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:19 PM, ptatc said: You don't have to, I don't think you do anyway. Not saying quite crochet level but as far as a breakout star pitcher. Expand Good luck man, I hope you are right, but a breakout star in his very first extended MLB experience? Yeah. Ok. I will pass on the Kool-aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:16 PM, ptatc said: Crochet had never started in his life. I would say both Burke and smith have electric stuff as well. With more quality pitches than crochet showed before last year. Expand I tend to agree with you. Now odds they strike lightning in a bottle twice in a row, probably slim, but Burke has electric stuff (maybe not quite Crochet stuff but its pretty darn good). Just like Crochet he has had consistent health troubles that cause us all to not know whether he can actually be someone you can count on. For those reasons - I feel like an ideal Burke trajectory is anything even remotely close to what Crochet did and I'd probably do the same thing if he had that sort of a year - use it to continue to improve the high end talent in the organization...multipliers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:17 PM, southsider2k5 said: If you are telling me to expect Sean Burke to be Garrett Crochet, I can't even take you seriously. Expand The person not to be taken seriously is the one throwing around more strawmen than the wicked witch's flying monkeys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:27 PM, WestEddy said: The person not to be taken seriously is the one throwing around more strawmen than the wicked witch's flying monkeys. Expand Ironic as you jumped in here like a flying monkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:24 PM, southsider2k5 said: Good luck man, I hope you are right, but a breakout star in his very first extended MLB experience? Yeah. Ok. I will pass on the Kool-aid. Expand Crochet wasn't that, either. He threw 3 nice starts, then fell apart for the next 3. Took some retooling to get him back on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:28 PM, WestEddy said: Crochet wasn't that, either. He threw 3 nice starts, then fell apart for the next 3. Took some retooling to get him back on track. Expand Crochet has always shown a top notch major league arm. He showed it over a period of years in the bullpen. The question wasn't how good he was, it was can he marathon instead of sprint. We know neither about Burke, and I have yet to see a single report of him being a future superstar. Even Law who sees him as really good, put two other White Sox pitchers ahead of him and didn't include him in his personal top 100. Solid to good? Sure. Garrett Crochet? Can we at least be realistic here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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