Nardiwashere Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:17 PM, southsider2k5 said: If you are telling me to expect Sean Burke to be Garrett Crochet, I can't even take you seriously. Expand You know there are a lot of potential outcomes in between Garrett Crochet-level breakout and failure. You act like Crochet's breakout was foreseeable. The thread announcing him as opening day starter a year ago was full of people criticizing the move and saying we had an opener starting game 1. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:35 PM, Nardiwashere said: You know there are a lot of potential outcomes in between Garrett Crochet-level breakout and failure. You act like Crochet's breakout was foreseeable. The thread announcing him as opening day starter a year ago was full of people criticizing the move and saying we had an opener starting game 1. Expand I did not drag Crochet into this discussion as a comp for Burke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:36 PM, southsider2k5 said: I did not drag Crochet into this discussion as a comp for Burke. Expand Nor should you. I was referring to it as a breakout candidate not the actual performance. What he did borders on miraculous. Very innovative and ground breaking program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:32 PM, southsider2k5 said: Crochet has always shown a top notch major league arm. He showed it over a period of years in the bullpen. The question wasn't how good he was, it was can he marathon instead of sprint. We know neither about Burke, and I have yet to see a single report of him being a future superstar. Even Law who sees him as really good, put two other White Sox pitchers ahead of him and didn't include him in his personal top 100. Solid to good? Sure. Garrett Crochet? Can we at least be realistic here? Expand Who's not being realistic? Burke has a high ceiling. He had more of a starting pitching repertoire going into his opening day than Crochet did. Crochet's the better pitcher. Nobody debates that. Crochet being a better pitcher doesn't mean that nobody will ever be a good pitcher again. If it was up to you and your group of "experts", Crochet would be starting this year in AAA, building his workload up to a 2025 ceiling of maybe 120 innings. So, you didn't even think Crochet was Crochet a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:54 PM, WestEddy said: Who's not being realistic? Burke has a high ceiling. He had more of a starting pitching repertoire going into his opening day than Crochet did. Crochet's the better pitcher. Nobody debates that. Crochet being a better pitcher doesn't mean that nobody will ever be a good pitcher again. If it was up to you and your group of "experts", Crochet would be starting this year in AAA, building his workload up to a 2025 ceiling of maybe 120 innings. So, you didn't even think Crochet was Crochet a year ago. Expand Again, no one doubted the arm of Garrett Crochet. Sean Burke does not have that arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) On 3/17/2025 at 5:04 PM, WestEddy said: Why can't you imagine a staff of Cannon (161), B. Wilson (102), Thorpe (102), Burke (90), S. Smith (94) and Davis Martin (70) throwing 120 IP each? That's 4 IP for 30 games. You're saying that none of these guys are major league pitchers and won't be able to handle pitching loads they just threw last year. This also presupposes they all will completely forget how to pitch to major league hitters. That seems fanciful. Expand I don't think 120 innings is very many innings for a starter. The only guy you cited that pitched that many was Cannon and I think he is going to get bombed this year. The others will rarely make it through the fifth inning and Sox will probably use 9 or 10 starting pitchers for 10+ starts. Cannon most likely candidate to be replaced by Thorpe who won't fair much better. By the end of July enough will have been injured or bombed out that Clevinger will be in the rotation just to eat innings. Perez, given his greater than 6 career era in AL Central parks probably on his way to s%*# season as well. Not sure how you're claiming 70 or 90 innings is same workload as 120 anyway but I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of them made it to 120. Bullpen probably have to pitch 700+ innings this year either way. Probably will have to use some of those starters to piggy back other starters Edited March 17 by 46DidIt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:58 PM, southsider2k5 said: Again, no one doubted the arm of Garrett Crochet. Sean Burke does not have that arm. Expand Doesn’t Crochet also have way more command/control than Burke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Another factor is, no matter how you slice up the infield, looks like even more groundballs will be making it through than last year, which is not going to be good for this rotation of low k rate artists they've assembled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:58 PM, southsider2k5 said: Again, no one doubted the arm of Garrett Crochet. Sean Burke does not have that arm. Expand Of course not. They're different pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I need to see more out of Burke than 19 garbage time innings at the end of a miserable season. He had a 5.05 ERA across his minor league career. I hope he's as great as everyone is leading on, im not buying it currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 7:09 PM, 46DidIt said: I don't think 120 innings is very many innings for a starter. The only guy you cited that pitched that many was Cannon and I think he is going to get bombed this year. The others will rarely make it through the fifth inning and Sox will probably use 9 or 10 starting pitchers for 10+ starts. Cannon most likely candidate to be replaced by Thorpe who won't fair much better. By the end of July enough will have been injured or bombed out that Clevinger will be in the rotation just to eat innings. Perez, given his greater than 6 career era in AL Central parks probably on his way to s%*# season as well. Not sure how you're claiming 70 or 90 innings is same workload as 120 anyway but I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of them made it to 120. Bullpen probably have to pitch 700+ innings this year either way. Probably will have to use some of those starters to piggy back other starters Expand Nobody is claiming that 70 and 120 are the same number. It's not crazy to expect a pitcher who threw 70 innings from the middle of June through the end of 2024 to throw 120 innings in a full season. Garrett Crochet threw 146 while never seeing the 5th inning after June 30th. I suppose every pitcher in a Sox uniform could forget how to pitch, and all get shelled every single game. It's probably as likely that each of about 8-10 competent pitchers continue to pitch as they have for their short careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:58 PM, southsider2k5 said: Again, no one doubted the arm of Garrett Crochet. Sean Burke does not have that arm. Expand No one doubted it in relief. Although before the UCL there was a decrease in velocity but xould have been the elbow issue. Everyone doubted the arm for starting. Everyonewas shocked when they made him a starter prior to opening day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 8:08 PM, ptatc said: No one doubted it in relief. Although before the UCL there was a decrease in velocity but xould have been the elbow issue. Everyone doubted the arm for starting. Everyonewas shocked when they made him a starter prior to opening day. Expand Yeah that seems like revisionist history. There was a ton of "what are they doing to him?" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 8:08 PM, ptatc said: No one doubted it in relief. Although before the UCL there was a decrease in velocity but xould have been the elbow issue. Everyone doubted the arm for starting. Everyonewas shocked when they made him a starter prior to opening day. Expand And yet no one else has put Sean Burke on to the level of Garrett Crochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 1:55 PM, Dick Allen said: I'm glad they gave it to a guy who may have a future with the team rather than a re-tread who will be gone at the end of the season at the latest. Expand Just when Burke was feeling good about himself you bring up his future. Bastard raining on his parade. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 6:03 PM, southsider2k5 said: I can't even get wound up about it to be honest. It's not like there is a Garrett Crochet in the bunch. Expand I'm not either, I'm incredibly checked out of White Sox baseball, just crazy that Sean Burke is an Opening Day starter for a team in 2025. I hope he's great, but just wild. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Ironically if I had to pick which starter is the most likely to end up in back in AAA (or non-tendered) Burke would be at the top by a mile. But at the same time I don't see anything wrong with giving him the nod, its not like anyone else has earned it. Personally would have gone with Davis, but I'm more concerned with who's going last and I hope they keep Wilson in the pen and give Shane Smith a chance at starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 8:47 PM, mac9001 said: Ironically if I had to pick which starter is the most likely to end up in back in AAA (or non-tendered) Burke would be at the top by a mile. But at the same time I don't see anything wrong with giving him the nod, its not like anyone else has earned it. Personally would have gone with Davis, but I'm more concerned with who's going last and I hope they keep Wilson in the pen and give Shane Smith a chance at starting. Expand Looking at the guys in our rotation, I will be shocked if a majority of them don't spend some time in AAA individually during the course of this season. There is so little experience, and not a ton of raw stuff in this group. The future is Schultz, Smith and hopefully Taylor if he can stay healthy through a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 9:25 PM, southsider2k5 said: Looking at the guys in our rotation, I will be shocked if a majority of them don't spend some time in AAA individually during the course of this season. There is so little experience, and not a ton of raw stuff in this group. The future is Schultz, Smith and hopefully Taylor if he can stay healthy through a season. Expand I'll be stunned if Perez, Davis or Smith spend any time in Charlotte. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/17/2025 at 10:01 PM, ptatc said: I'll be stunned if Perez, Davis or Smith spend any time in Charlotte. Expand Smith will be the best Sox starter (outside of the Big 3) by the end of the season. Book it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/03/16/chicago-white-sox-sean-burke-opening-day-starter/ Lamond Pope story Edited March 18 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/18/2025 at 12:02 AM, caulfield12 said: Smith will be the best Sox starter (outside of the Big 3) by the end of the season. Book it. Expand More likely he’s returned to the Brewers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/18/2025 at 1:54 AM, T R U said: More likely he’s returned to the Brewers Expand That's insane. He throws the ball as well as anyone in organization not named Grant Taylor. They really are complete idiots if they prioritize Cannon Bryse Wilson and Perez over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Davis seems too competent to end up back in Charlotte but I figure the odds of Burke being back in AAA have to be 60%+, Cannon 50%+, Smith back in the bullpen 50%+ and Wilson and Perez getting non-tendered 50%+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/18/2025 at 2:23 AM, caulfield12 said: That's insane. He throws the ball as well as anyone in organization not named Grant Taylor. They really are complete idiots if they prioritize Cannon Bryse Wilson and Perez over him. Expand He should definitely get a shot at it, but he’s still a rule 5 pick and organizations don’t just let special talents leave for nothing. Although the bar for best Sox SP is pretty damn low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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