2025 Bold Predictions

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:44 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

It happened a few times/injuries with Deng though, not just the meningitis diagnosis.  How often does it have to happen before it is a running theme due to failure, rather than a one off incident?

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The shin/tibia thing is also out there for him specifically.

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:35 PM, southsider2k5 said:

What an impressive standard.  They are smarter than a message board.  Wow.  So impressive.  Such a great contribution.

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That's an amazing admission by you. Congratulations on recognizing that a bunch of grumps cheering for injuries is the dirt standard for fact-based, injury-related analysis.

Now that we've established that mopes who want pro athletes to immediately go under the knife without consultation at the first twinge in their arm - have no idea what they're talking about, maybe we can admit that their jeering the immediate guess that a player has a sprain (as he's limping off the field) and the eventual, correct diagnosis should hold zero weight, whatsoever. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:48 PM, WestEddy said:

That's an amazing admission by you. Congratulations on recognizing that a bunch of grumps cheering for injuries is the dirt standard for fact-based, injury-related analysis.

Now that we've established that mopes who want pro athletes to immediately go under the knife without consultation at the first twinge in their arm - have no idea what they're talking about, maybe we can admit that their jeering the immediate guess that a player has a sprain (as he's limping off the field) and the eventual, correct diagnosis should hold zero weight, whatsoever. 

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Nah, I recognized that by your own admission and standards as a guy on a message board you are just as "moronic" as those you are railing against.  Even though you seem to believe you can't be possibly be informed enough to be speaking on this topic, yet you can't sit it out and yet here you are, not able to handle living up to your own standards.

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:37 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

That’s epic, coming from the master of all Sox/Getz ball washers.  I remembered Deng blaming the Bulls medical team and just posted the video.

Perhaps the same deadbeat owner of two losing franchises is bad at picking GMs, who in turn are bad at hiring the right people in their respective organizations?

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How is it that everyone who disagrees with you must be "washing Getz's balls", fluffing players, or whatever sex acts that spring into your addled mind? Am I to assume that your job is to stand in an alley and "reward" anybody who agrees with you that Getz is a bad GM?

As has been explained multiple times, 2 different ownership groups. I don't care about the Bulls. Maybe you can find one of his Real Estate holding companies, and tell me about their vacation policies. I'm sure that would "fluff" your narrative. 

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:48 PM, WestEddy said:

That's an amazing admission by you. Congratulations on recognizing that a bunch of grumps cheering for injuries is the dirt standard for fact-based, injury-related analysis.

Now that we've established that mopes who want pro athletes to immediately go under the knife without consultation at the first twinge in their arm - have no idea what they're talking about, maybe we can admit that their jeering the immediate guess that a player has a sprain (as he's limping off the field) and the eventual, correct diagnosis should hold zero weight, whatsoever. 

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Grumps cheering for injuries?  No, but not surprised that you would claim that.

More like many injuries that start as wait and see and turn into TJ surgeries.  The Sox timelines are always off.  It happens all the time.  No one is rooting for it to happen.  It just happens.  I remember when Thorpe was supposed to be fine for ST and there was no expectation that he wouldn’t be ready for opening day.

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[chitownsportsfan]

Bold prediction is we threaten our season long futility pace in the first half before becoming a bad but not historically bad team in the last two months to finish around 55-107.

[ptatc]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:58 PM, chitownsportsfan said:

Bold prediction is we threaten our season long futility pace in the first half before becoming a bad but not historically bad team in the last two months to finish around 55-107.

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I would take that. I've got a bet placed on the over at 49.5.

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:54 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Grumps cheering for injuries?  No, but no surprised that you would claim that.

More like many injuries that starts wait and see and turn into TJ surgeries.  The Sox timelines are always off.  It happens all the time.  No one is rooting for it to happen.  It just happens.  I remember when Thorpe was supposed to be fine for ST and there was no expectation that he wouldn’t be ready for opening day.

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The Sox injury diagnosis situation especially for their pitchers has been really comical and a sham going back to the David Wells "shouldergate" fiasco but more recently starting with guys like Rodon, Dunning and others.

I'll be the first to admit it may be no better or worse than other MLB teams but the perception around the fan base is this is simply another example of the incompetence that permeates the organization. 

How many team doctors, trainers and conditioning people have been hired, fired (and are sueing) in the last 10 years alone?

How many teams hire a guy FIRED by the Red Sox for injecting players with a questionable (illegal?) drug???

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530943-ex-red-sox-trainer-mike-reinold-injected-players-with-controversial-substance) 

 

 

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:54 PM, WestEddy said:

How is it that everyone who disagrees with you must be "washing Getz's balls", fluffing players, or whatever sex acts that spring into your addled mind? Am I to assume that your job is to stand in an alley and "reward" anybody who agrees with you that Getz is a bad GM?

As has been explained multiple times, 2 different ownership groups. I don't care about the Bulls. Maybe you can find one of his Real Estate holding companies, and tell me about their vacation policies. I'm sure that would "fluff" your narrative. 

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Haha, and what is a brown noser?  Someone with their nose up another person’s ass?

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:52 PM, southsider2k5 said:

Nah, I recognized that by your own admission and standards as a guy on a message board you are just as "moronic" as those you are railing against.  Even though you seem to believe you can't be possibly be informed enough to be speaking on this topic, yet you can't sit it out and yet here you are, not able to handle living up to your own standards.

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"Giving the benefit of the doubt" is moronic?  

ok

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:54 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Grumps cheering for injuries?  No, but no surprised that you would claim that.

More like many injuries that starts wait and see and turn into TJ surgeries.  The Sox timelines are always off.  It happens all the time.  No one is rooting for it to happen.  It just happens.  I remember when Thorpe was supposed to be fine for ST and there was no expectation that he wouldn’t be ready for opening day.

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I guess you have Liptak's comments on "ignore". Dude is absolutely gleeful whenever there's an injury. I can't count up the other "LMFAO!!!" comments whenever there's an injury. Maybe I'm the weirdo, and the appropriate thing to do when somebody tells me they had an accident and broke their arm is to bust out laughing in their face. 

I find it amazing that the grumps don't compute that maybe somebody feels a twinge in their off-season throwing program, and since they're 3 weeks away from reporting, they're told to wait until they get to the best facilities in the organization to check them out. Everything doesn't have to get smooshed into the same, tired narrative. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:09 PM, WestEddy said:

"Giving the benefit of the doubt" is moronic?  

ok

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moronic was your word to describe those on the message board, not mine.

 

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:03 PM, Lip Man 1 said:

The Sox injury diagnosis situation especially for their pitchers has been really comical and a sham going back to the David Wells "shouldergate" fiasco but more recently starting with guys like Rodon, Dunning and others.

I'll be the first to admit it may be no better or worse than other MLB teams but the perception around the fan base is this is simply another example of the incompetence that permeates the organization. 

How many team doctors, trainers and conditioning people have been hired, fired (and are sueing) in the last 10 years alone?

How many teams hire a guy FIRED by the Red Sox for injecting players with a questionable (illegal?) drug???

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530943-ex-red-sox-trainer-mike-reinold-injected-players-with-controversial-substance) 

 

 

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And this is what I am saying.  Far from being a "moronic" guy on a message board, both the Sox and the Bulls questionable history here has been well documented publicly, and these questions have been asked out loud in a lot of places, including someone like Luol Deng. 

There have been questions about this team rushing guys back from injuries, misdiagnosing injuries and playing guys who are clearly injured. 

Do I know this last injury was done right or wrong?  Do I know that someone else could have correctly diagnosed this?  Absolutely not.  But do I know that a "moron" on a message board is far from the first person to make this connection to an injury diagnosis that suddenly changes?  Absolutely not. This has been an ongoing part of the public discourse over these JR owned franchise's failings for YEARS now, and will absolutely be justified in it's mentionings as long as they keep happening.

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:03 PM, Lip Man 1 said:

I'll be the first to admit it may be no better or worse than other MLB teams but the perception around the fan base is this is simply another example of the incompetence that permeates the organization. 

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No, you wouldn't be. Those of us trying to inject reason into the "LMFAO!!!" discussions were the first to admit that. When you finally admit to this, you would be, maybe, the one thousandth or so to finally admit it. The perception exists because of people like you who are announcing to the world you are laughing your ass off at another injury, and then a bunch of grumps join in and create the perception of incompetence. 

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How many teams hire a guy FIRED by the Red Sox for injecting players with a questionable (illegal?) drug???

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The drug was neither "questionable" nor "illegal". I would think that somebody with your particular relationship to journalism would understand how inappropriate it is to imply he's injecting something illegal into an athlete. The trainer (one of a group of professional trainers who have been disciplined) skipped a step and administered the medication himself, rather than waiting for a licensed practitioner to arrive and do it.

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:17 PM, southsider2k5 said:

moronic was your word to describe those on the message board, not mine.

 

And this is what I am saying.  Far from being a "moronic" guy on a message board, both the Sox and the Bulls questionable history here has been well documented publicly, and these questions have been asked out loud in a lot of places, including someone like Luol Deng. 

There have been questions about this team rushing guys back from injuries, misdiagnosing injuries and playing guys who are clearly injured. 

Do I know this last injury was done right or wrong?  Do I know that someone else could have correctly diagnosed this?  Absolutely not.  But do I know that a "moron" on a message board is far from the first person to make this connection to an injury diagnosis that suddenly changes?  Absolutely not. This has been an ongoing part of the public discourse over these JR owned franchise's failings for YEARS now, and will absolutely be justified in it's mentionings as long as they keep happening.

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Sports medicine is, in itself, questionable. The whole purpose is to patch up players and get them back onto the field. There is an entire genre of non-fiction that tells players' stories of their journey through the system. 

Yes, tell us about White Sox specific incidents of abuse. 

But people crowing over a broken toe, and "laughing their asses off" over a non-medical spokesperson surmising at the time of the incident that a sprain occurred, then further testing revealing it to be a fracture has nothing to do with the stories of abuse. A few of the TJS strings here are a group of people yelling at me that the White Sox should be cutting open pitchers' arms at the first sign of a twinge so that they're not "lying" to grumpy fans (who will consider themselves lied to no matter what transpires). 

I'll wait for an actual misdiagnosis until I declare it so. 

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:07 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Haha, and what is a brown noser?  Someone with their nose up another person’s ass?

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Not a sex act. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:35 PM, WestEddy said:

Sports medicine is, in itself, questionable. The whole purpose is to patch up players and get them back onto the field. There is an entire genre of non-fiction that tells players' stories of their journey through the system. 

Yes, tell us about White Sox specific incidents of abuse. 

But people crowing over a broken toe, and "laughing their asses off" over a non-medical spokesperson surmising at the time of the incident that a sprain occurred, then further testing revealing it to be a fracture has nothing to do with the stories of abuse. A few of the TJS strings here are a group of people yelling at me that the White Sox should be cutting open pitchers' arms at the first sign of a twinge so that they're not "lying" to grumpy fans (who will consider themselves lied to no matter what transpires). 

I'll wait for an actual misdiagnosis until I declare it so. 

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But you aren't qualified to decide that, by your own admissions, so run along.

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:35 PM, WestEddy said:

Sports medicine is, in itself, questionable. The whole purpose is to patch up players and get them back onto the field. There is an entire genre of non-fiction that tells players' stories of their journey through the system. 

Yes, tell us about White Sox specific incidents of abuse. 

But people crowing over a broken toe, and "laughing their asses off" over a non-medical spokesperson surmising at the time of the incident that a sprain occurred, then further testing revealing it to be a fracture has nothing to do with the stories of abuse. A few of the TJS strings here are a group of people yelling at me that the White Sox should be cutting open pitchers' arms at the first sign of a twinge so that they're not "lying" to grumpy fans (who will consider themselves lied to no matter what transpires). 

I'll wait for an actual misdiagnosis until I declare it so. 

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Your problem is that you need to have hope for this team for whatever reason, otherwise your world will apparently be shattered.  To LipMan and other people who have seen the same things happen to the Sox year after year, like injuries, misdiagnosed injuries, and ultimately failure and suckitude, this crap is just par for the course.  You see it happen so often with the Sox that “it’s laughable”.  That doesn’t mean LipMan or anyone else is praying for injuries.  It’s like watching the same train wreck year after year.  Why you care so much about what other people think and have coined them “grumps” is more a reflection on you and that you can’t handle any criticism of your favorite awful baseball team.

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[MEANS]

Certain posters will stop mucking up every single thread.....how's that for BOLD?

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:17 PM, southsider2k5 said:

moronic was your word to describe those on the message board, not mine.

 

And this is what I am saying.  Far from being a "moronic" guy on a message board, both the Sox and the Bulls questionable history here has been well documented publicly, and these questions have been asked out loud in a lot of places, including someone like Luol Deng. 

There have been questions about this team rushing guys back from injuries, misdiagnosing injuries and playing guys who are clearly injured. 

Do I know this last injury was done right or wrong?  Do I know that someone else could have correctly diagnosed this?  Absolutely not.  But do I know that a "moron" on a message board is far from the first person to make this connection to an injury diagnosis that suddenly changes?  Absolutely not. This has been an ongoing part of the public discourse over these JR owned franchise's failings for YEARS now, and will absolutely be justified in it's mentionings as long as they keep happening.

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Luis Robert is an excellent example of health mismanagement. Guy was swinging with one arm trying to hit. 

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:49 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

To LipMan and other people who have seen the same things happen to the Sox year after year, like injuries, misdiagnosed injuries, and ultimately failure and suckitude, this crap is just par for the course.  You see it happen so often with the Sox that “it’s laughable”.  That doesn’t mean LipMan or anyone else is praying for injuries.

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He kind of crossed the line with the Bush and Carella TJS announcements. Couldn't contain his glee and called it "karma", for some reason. I read the comments. When a small bunch of people descend into a hateful muck, criticizing every aspect of a baseball team, it kind of hurts to put that garbage in your head. I try to "ignore" the people who do nothing but, but some strings just explode with invective over an injury. 

[WestEddy]

  On 3/18/2025 at 5:00 PM, Lip Man 1 said:

Luis Robert is an excellent example of health mismanagement. Guy was swinging with one arm trying to hit. 

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And if they held him out, y'all would have clucked at how lazy and unmotivated he was. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/18/2025 at 5:03 PM, WestEddy said:

He kind of crossed the line with the Bush and Carella TJS announcements. Couldn't contain his glee and called it "karma", for some reason. I read the comments. When a small bunch of people descend into a hateful muck, criticizing every aspect of a baseball team, it kind of hurts to put that garbage in your head. I try to "ignore" the people who do nothing but, but some strings just explode with invective over an injury. 

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I don't think it is any secret that Lip and I aren't the best of posting buddies, but I feel this is a completely misrepresenting his feelings.  Decades of frustration building expectations of failure is different than "glee" over an injury.

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:49 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Your problem is that you need to have hope for this team for whatever reason, otherwise your world will apparently be shattered.  To LipMan and other people who have seen the same things happen to the Sox year after year, like injuries, misdiagnosed injuries, and ultimately failure and suckitude, this crap is just par for the course.  You see it happen so often with the Sox that “it’s laughable”.  That doesn’t mean LipMan or anyone else is praying for injuries.  It’s like watching the same train wreck year after year.  Why you care so much about what other people think and have coined them “grumps” is more a reflection on you and that you can’t handle any criticism of your favorite awful baseball team.

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I don't root for injuries, wouldn't wish that on anybody but seeing as you say, the same stuff happen year after year, another example is the pap nonsense we hear every spring about fundamentals, yet when play begins the same stuff happens...throwing to the wrong base, missing the cut off man, can't execute a run down or advance runners into scoring position or drive guys home with less than two out...that is 100% laughable and reflective of an inept organization that can't get out of their own way.

I laugh totally at the absurdity of it all, not at the players getting injured. An incompetence organization from top to bottom THAT is 100% laughable. 

[Quin]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:03 PM, Lip Man 1 said:

The Sox injury diagnosis situation especially for their pitchers has been really comical and a sham going back to the David Wells "shouldergate" fiasco but more recently starting with guys like Rodon, Dunning and others.

I'll be the first to admit it may be no better or worse than other MLB teams but the perception around the fan base is this is simply another example of the incompetence that permeates the organization. 

How many team doctors, trainers and conditioning people have been hired, fired (and are sueing) in the last 10 years alone?

How many teams hire a guy FIRED by the Red Sox for injecting players with a questionable (illegal?) drug???

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530943-ex-red-sox-trainer-mike-reinold-injected-players-with-controversial-substance) 

 

 

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If we're going as far as including Dave Wells, then you should give the Sox their flowers for having an insane run of health from 2001-2016.

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/18/2025 at 5:24 PM, Quin said:

If we're going as far as including Dave Wells, then you should give the Sox their flowers for having an insane run of health from 2001-2016.

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For a while they absolutely did although even that caused some to wonder what was going on, a few examples from my story on the state of the team November 2022:

From two different individuals who agree to speak for the story:

“The White Sox playing shorthanded started in 2007 when Jermaine Dye got hurt and Kenny Williams refused to call up Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney. Maybe they were cheap, maybe they wanted to protect Herm’s record of keeping guys off the DL.” (Author’s Note: Herm Schneider was the Sox longtime head trainer and for years the Sox were among the league leaders in keeping players healthy.) 

“Jake Peavy made the comment one time, ‘They have no reservations about playing shorthanded.”