Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Thursday at 09:30 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:30 PM On 3/20/2025 at 7:08 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: From no restrictions in ST, to not ready for opening day, to… ??? Does he even pitch this year? The Sox are so very bad at injury reporting and updates. Expand Hard to blame the team much for off season injury news. That's usually coming from the players camp given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Thursday at 09:33 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:33 PM On 3/20/2025 at 8:13 PM, Lip Man 1 said: All I'll say is given the Sox history with pitchers over the past few years this seemed inevitable as Thanos would say. As someone pointed out the Sox first reported he would be ready to go for spring training, then it would be later in the spring to now this. Typical White Sox. It would be better I think if they just didn't say anything or if they felt they had to with injuries let the doctors actually speak to the press not the field manager or the general manager or the clubhouse attendant 😆 or anybody else who really don't know s%*#. Just have the TJS or whatever surgery is needed right now, stop dicking around and we'll see you next year (maybe...) Expand On 3/20/2025 at 8:32 PM, Lip Man 1 said: Exactly. Stop screwing around with these guys 'hoping" rest and rehab will solve the issue. History shows at least with the Sox (hello Rodon, Dunning, Martin et al) that doesn't seem to be working out. Expand Surgery Is the players call. A lot to blame the Sox for, and thorpe stinks anyway, but this isnt one of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted Thursday at 10:02 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:02 PM On 3/20/2025 at 9:33 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Surgery Is the players call. A lot to blame the Sox for, and thorpe stinks anyway, but this isnt one of them. Expand Is it totally? Serious question...doesn't the team which is paying them have any say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Thursday at 10:02 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:02 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:02 PM, Lip Man 1 said: Is it totally? Serious question...doesn't the team which is paying them have any say? Expand Yes, it's totally the players call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted Thursday at 10:03 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:03 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:02 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, it's totally the players call. Expand I'm sorry I don't agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted Thursday at 10:07 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:07 PM https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/03/20/drew-thorpe-suffers-another-setback-in-return-from-elbow-injury Six White Sox pitchers (and counting...) with injury issues. Not that it matters anything for this season which is already flushed down the toilet but moving forward it could come into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 10:15 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:15 PM On 3/20/2025 at 6:42 PM, ptatc said: That would be odd. The previous surgery was for bone spurs. This has no correlation to joint laxity or UCL issues. Unless there was something else not reported. Not like the guy from Houston who hhad a UCL reconstruction and continues to have issues there. Expand McCullers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Thursday at 10:17 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:17 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:03 PM, Lip Man 1 said: I'm sorry I don't agree. Expand You be wrong. It's always the players call. They can take the advice of the team's medcial staff. Get a second opinion and take their advice. Or simply do what they want. No one can force the decision upon them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Thursday at 10:17 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:17 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:15 PM, caulfield12 said: McCullers? Expand Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 10:18 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:18 PM On 3/20/2025 at 9:30 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Nope. It always kinda felt like a salary dump. Expand A steaming pile of dump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Thursday at 10:19 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:19 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:07 PM, Lip Man 1 said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/03/20/drew-thorpe-suffers-another-setback-in-return-from-elbow-injury Six White Sox pitchers (and counting...) with injury issues. Not that it matters anything for this season which is already flushed down the toilet but moving forward it could come into play. Expand Do you blame the actual injuries on the medical staff? Or is it the pitching coaches and their philosophy? Or is it the strength and conditioning group? Or the players off season training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted Thursday at 10:20 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:20 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:19 PM, ptatc said: Do you blame the actual injuries on the medical staff? Or is it the pitching coaches and their philosophy? Or is it the strength and conditioning group? Or the players off season training? Expand Or the owner, don’t forget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Thursday at 10:21 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:21 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:07 PM, Lip Man 1 said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/03/20/drew-thorpe-suffers-another-setback-in-return-from-elbow-injury Six White Sox pitchers (and counting...) with injury issues. Not that it matters anything for this season which is already flushed down the toilet but moving forward it could come into play. Expand And what’s the number for every other team? I would assume right around there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 10:24 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:24 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:20 PM, fathom said: Or the owner, don’t forget Expand Probably why Ishbia wants to keep his head down these next two years...except for enthusiastic comments about the milkshakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Thursday at 10:25 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:25 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:20 PM, fathom said: Or the owner, don’t forget Expand Yes, his karma causes injuries as well. How could I forget. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Thursday at 10:38 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:38 PM On 3/20/2025 at 10:03 PM, Lip Man 1 said: I'm sorry I don't agree. Expand You ask me a question. I tell you the factual answer. You then disagree. Weird stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 11:04 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:04 PM (edited) Can't really say "TOTALLY." We're arguing semantics here. Teams can't ever unilaterally force surgeries on their so called top prospects and highest paid players. Of course the player and their family will make the final decision...but the team doctors and agent will both be influential throughout the process, as well as independently consulted second and third opinions. Edited Thursday at 11:06 PM by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted Thursday at 11:07 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:07 PM (edited) On 3/20/2025 at 10:38 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: You ask me a question. I tell you the factual answer. You then disagree. Weird stuff. Expand I think an employer who is paying a good salary should have some say since it impacts the team and organization. I don't see why that should be considered outlandish. Medicine is not an exact science to be sure however as has been discussed for the past several years the way the Sox are handling things, something is amiss. Not just by fans but by the media and others. Especially when they trot out G.M.'s who give misleading information (granted it may be unintentional but the damage done is just as much). Maybe consulting a witch doctor or throwing darts at a board to figure out what is wrong could give better results (LOL) 😆 Edited Thursday at 11:08 PM by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Thursday at 11:09 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:09 PM On 3/20/2025 at 11:04 PM, caulfield12 said: Can't really say "TOTALLY." We're arguing semantics here. Teams can't ever unilaterally force surgeries on their so called top prospects and highest paid players. Of course the player and their family will make the final decision...but the team doctors and agent will both be influential throughout the process, as well as independently consulted second and third opinions. Expand Of course they have influence. Everyone should take advice. The players aren't phyicians. But it is ultimately their decision. Just like the player and the agent. The player has the ultimate decision on signing a contract. It's advisable to listen to the agent and allow them to negotiate. However it's totally the players decisions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Thursday at 11:14 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:14 PM On 3/20/2025 at 11:07 PM, Lip Man 1 said: I think an employer who is paying a good salary should have some say since it impacts the team and organization. I don't see why that should be considered outlandish. Medicine is not an exact science to be sure however as has been discussed for the past several years the way the Sox are handling things, something is amiss. Not just by fans but by the media and others. Especially when they trot out G.M.'s who give misleading information (granted it may be unintentional but the damage done is just as much). Maybe consulting a witch doctor or throwing darts at a board to figure out what is wrong could give better results (LOL) 😆 Expand The fact that you don't inderstand the legal process of the medical field tells everything about your views on the medical decision process and the players Makes no difference what you think the process should be. It's the law. For everyone. An employer can't tell an employee where or how to get medical intervention. It's always their choice. Some have agreement with medical institutions so it may be cheaper. But they can't tell them what to do. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted Thursday at 11:24 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:24 PM The amount of eye rolls I had reading some peoples medical opinions on here that know absolutely zero...goodness gracious. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted Thursday at 11:49 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:49 PM (edited) For those interested, every Tommy John since well...Tommy John: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1gQujXQQGOVNaiuwSN680Hq-FDVsCwvN-3AazykOBON0/htmlview?pli=1 Edited Thursday at 11:49 PM by mac9001 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Thursday at 11:52 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:52 PM On 3/20/2025 at 11:49 PM, mac9001 said: For those interested, every Tommy John since well...Tommy John: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1gQujXQQGOVNaiuwSN680Hq-FDVsCwvN-3AazykOBON0/htmlview?pli=1 Expand Wow, thats digging deep. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted Friday at 12:00 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:00 AM (edited) On 3/20/2025 at 10:03 PM, Lip Man 1 said: I'm sorry I don't agree. Expand Do you also disagree with workers comp? The guy got injured at his job and has protections as an American citizen. God help you if your employer forces you into a potentially dangerous surgery so you can get back to work quicker. Edited Friday at 12:00 AM by nrockway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Friday at 12:21 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:21 AM On 3/21/2025 at 12:00 AM, nrockway said: Do you also disagree with workers comp? The guy got injured at his job and has protections as an American citizen. God help you if your employer forces you into a potentially dangerous surgery so you can get back to work quicker. Expand Those in their 40s and above grew up around a pretty autocratic Herm Schneider Sox regime where his word was basically next to God's. Thankfully, times have progressed and the system is much more democratized and player/family-centric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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