Sox Claim P Mike Vasil

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/24/2025 at 6:26 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

You know why this is a ridiculous conversation?  Because people that suck at their previous roles don’t normally get promoted to an even better and more important role.  Haha, the entire situation is a joke to begin with.

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Well that’s true, but that’s also a different debate than the one I having 😁

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/24/2025 at 6:26 PM, southsider2k5 said:

And very clearly based on the history of the 2024 White Sox never having happened in the history of MLB, people feel that other GMs would have stepped in and NOT see the entire organization self-destruct to the level that it did last year, even if we want to pretend that his complete failure at Player Dev shouldn't be counted against him, even though player dev didn't really see any big wins last year.

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How much of the self destruction is on Getz vs. Grifol though?  We don’t know if Getz was pushing to fire Grifol earlier in the season and Jerry simply told him no.  Not sure what else Getz could have done?  He tried picking up vets off the scrap heap to help out after the slow start and once the injuries started piling up but those opportunities were always going to be limited.  And again, this isn’t giving him a free pass.  He certainly contributed to building a historically bad team, but I’m not sure what another GM would have done substantially different last year with all the constraints with Jerry as owner.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/24/2025 at 6:29 PM, T R U said:

I don't see how you can even think that. A big part were in this mess is because he was bad at his job as the director of player development. If we had hired an outside candidate to be GM, absolutely, they had no ties to this mess and have a huge pile of work to do to get it right.

The guy they did hire, absolutely had a hand in creating this disaster by his inability to do his job successfully. How can you say that it should just be ignored now that he is the GM instead?

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Because he didn’t he create those messes as GM?  Why I am penalizing his performance as GM because of his performance of his last role?  It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/24/2025 at 6:35 PM, T R U said:

That's fair, we don't know for sure what exactly his role was. What I do know is, he was part of the regime that caused this franchise to bottom out. Common sense dictates that you don't keep those people around when it’s time to start over. I know you already agree with that though.

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I do agree with that…but I just think we should hold him responsible for his new job responsibilities as GM until Ishbia comes aboard and brings in his own guy.

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/24/2025 at 8:22 PM, Dick Allen said:

Ask yourself iis there another MLB team that would hire Chris Getz to be its GM? I think the answer is no. Maybe I'm way wrong, but I really doubt it.

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Not in a million years.  Just like how both Kenny and Hahn are completely out of baseball.  The Jerry stink is all over them.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/24/2025 at 8:19 PM, caulfield12 said:

"But I suppose 6 TJ surgeries will end up his fault too sooner or later ."

Who gets blamed?  Just bad luck right?

The fact that LaRussa was forced upon him?

Ultimately the GM is going to be responsible for whatever happens on his watch.  And his win/loss record, too.

Although most believe it's unfair to blame Getz for last year...he's got to be at least somewhat responsible, yes?

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No one is saying he's not responsible for his own actions.He's made bad decisions. He's learning on the job.The whole situation stinks.  But along with the bad there is good happening and we act like minor, on the fringes trades are like signing Benintendi to his contract level of bad and some people never let us forget that.

When you trade a nobody for a nobody if it doesn't work out how long am I supposed to cry about it ? I care more about new Traject machines and the new coaches and manager than I do the failure of Deloach or Fletcher .I care more about how some of the organization top arms will progress and ultimately impact the rise of the team.

I care about the Sox being bad enough to get the best odds to acquire the1-1 pick in the draft, something the last rebuild never got because they failed to be really bad like Houston in their rebuild. The last rebuild never modernized. They were an insular group with the GM and the exGM operating independently as we saw when KW traded Buger for Eder and Ng bypassed Hahn and went straight to Williams.

Who holds more responsibility for Edgar Quero ,Rick Hahn who traded for him or the people who have helped him develop once he came here ?

Getz has been far from perfect.I think his 1st full year as GM was a huge learning process but he's got a firmer grip on the direction he's going now and managed to find good hires along the way. If you're impressed by the hires of McKinvin ,Fuller, Venable at least on the surface the rest of baseball seems to think those are good moves.

Also recently there's been hope for a new owner. Chris Getz didn't prevent a multi billionaire to cancel his plans to buy the Twins and continue to buy more shares of the White Sox did he ?

Every year that goes by brings us closer to new ownership and a possible ascension into being a real big league team again. It would be nice to think that Getz is putting in enough ground floor work to modernize the team and rebuild the infrastructure to get a new regime off to a good start. It'll take a few years to see if the restructuring of the International Department and building a new DR Academy and hiring David Keller will produce better results bringing in better talent from the Dominican Republic. That was a huge failure in every single year of JRs tenure as owner while Domincans have been flourishing in baseball for over 50 years. If you can name a single Dominican  the Sox signed and became an All Star with the Sox you'd be the first because I'm pretty sure that player doesn't exist.

So let's not pretend that how this franchise has been run into the ground has nothing to do with mismanagement and policies that have been in place for many many many years by the only guy who has been in charge the whole time.

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/24/2025 at 9:22 PM, fathom said:

Definitely not another team that wouldn’t fire their GM after the worst season ever

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Come on Fathom you have more baseball knowledge than to make silly statements like you know what the rest of baseball would do in a similar situation. There is no similar situation comparable to a terrible owner , hiring a GM to rebuild after a failed rebuild so you're expected to be really bad during a rebuild right and then fire him for being really really bad ? I mean seriously is this about having a worse record than you expected to have when you should have known all along that they were going to have a very bad record. For all we know JR is smarter than all of us because he isn't mentioned half as much for that terrible record as his fall guy is.

JR must know he is despised but watching the fans at each others throats about Chris Getz must make him chuckle.  What a bunch of dimwits bothered so much by that record in one year that my puppet was in charge. I didn't even give him any real money to work with because I'm stripping down the whole franchise to be sold off after I die.

As far as I'm concerned if Ishbia buys the Sox and fired everyone I'm good but expecting Reinsdorf the fire Getz accomplishes nothing. We act like JR wants to fix the mess he's responsible for in the 1st place. Fire Getz ! Ok now what ? Seriously is JR going to make it all better and kiss your boo boo ?

Edited Tuesday at 12:56 PM by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/24/2025 at 8:26 AM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Getz already won the award for biggest GM failure last year.  Everyone’s pitchforks should be sharper already.  JR and Getz kick everyone’s dog and this year will be no different unfortunately.

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It's actually shocking to me that you're supposed to be bad in a rebuild but because it was setting record bad you're all so angry. It's actually comical. Yes we were supposed to be bad but not this bad ! It's even more funny thinking if JR fired Getz that that would somehow change the trajectory that JR has started the countdown on already. 5, 4, 3...I'm gone , my kids sell the Sox.  New owner Ishbia ? New stadium ? Are we happy now ? Who cares I'm dead and my kids are rich.Good luck everybody !

[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/25/2025 at 1:19 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

It's actually shocking to me that you're supposed to be bad in a rebuild but because it was setting record bad you're all so angry. It's actually comical. Yes we were supposed to be bad but not this bad ! It's even more funny thinking if JR fired Getz that that would somehow change the trajectory that JR has started the countdown on already. 5, 4, 3...I'm gone , my kids sell the Sox.  New owner Ishbia ? New stadium ? Are we happy now ? Who cares I'm dead and my kids are rich.Good luck everybody !

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How many other GMs throughout baseball history intentionally tanked like Getz and the Sox did?  How many of those GMs set the record Getz did last year?

[WestEddy]

  On 3/25/2025 at 1:41 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

How many other GMs throughout baseball history intentionally tanked like Getz and the Sox did?  How many of those GMs set the record Getz did last year?

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Dave Dombrowski missed by one loss in 2003. 

[Dick Allen]

  On 3/25/2025 at 3:53 PM, WestEddy said:

Dave Dombrowski missed by one loss in 2003. 

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His prize for being bad was Justin Verlander. The Sox get the 10th pick. Nice plan.

[WestEddy]

  On 3/25/2025 at 5:06 PM, Dick Allen said:

His prize for being bad was Justin Verlander. The Sox get the 10th pick. Nice plan.

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I'm glad you mentioned the draft. Looking at Dombrowski's early 1st rounders with the Tigers, outside of that one pick, his early first rounders kind of sucked. Kyle Sleeth at #3 overall? Andrew Miller? Scott Moore? Jacob Turner? 

Seems like Dave Dombrowski's genius was in picking an owner who wanted to spend tons of money on free agency. 

year	rd	pick			bWAR
2015	1	34	Christin Stewart (minors)	OF	-1.1	4Yr
2014	1	23	Derek Hill (minors)	OF	-0.2	HS
2013	1	20	Jonathon Crawford (minors)	RHP		4Yr
2013	1	39	Corey Knebel (minors)	RHP	5.5	4Yr
2010	1s	44	*Nick Castellanos (minors)	3B	14	HS
2010	1s	48	*Chance Ruffin (minors)	RHP	-0.5	4Yr
2009	1	9	Jacob Turner (minors)	RHP	-2.6	HS
2008	1	21	Ryan Perry (minors)	RHP	0.2	4Yr
2007	1	27	Rick Porcello (minors)	RHP	18.8	HS
2007	1s	60	*Brandon Hamilton (minors)	RHP		HS
2006	1	6	Andrew Miller (minors)	LHP	7.7	4Yr
2005	1	10	Cameron Maybin (minors)	OF	13.4	HS
2004	1	2	Justin Verlander (minors)	RHP	80.5	4Yr
2003	1	3	Kyle Sleeth (minors)	RHP		4Yr
2002	1	8	Scott Moore (minors)	SS	-0.8	HS

 

[Dick Allen]

  On 3/25/2025 at 5:43 PM, WestEddy said:

I'm glad you mentioned the draft. Looking at Dombrowski's early 1st rounders with the Tigers, outside of that one pick, his early first rounders kind of sucked. Kyle Sleeth at #3 overall? Andrew Miller? Scott Moore? Jacob Turner? 

Seems like Dave Dombrowski's genius was in picking an owner who wanted to spend tons of money on free agency. 

year	rd	pick			bWAR
2015	1	34	Christin Stewart (minors)	OF	-1.1	4Yr
2014	1	23	Derek Hill (minors)	OF	-0.2	HS
2013	1	20	Jonathon Crawford (minors)	RHP		4Yr
2013	1	39	Corey Knebel (minors)	RHP	5.5	4Yr
2010	1s	44	*Nick Castellanos (minors)	3B	14	HS
2010	1s	48	*Chance Ruffin (minors)	RHP	-0.5	4Yr
2009	1	9	Jacob Turner (minors)	RHP	-2.6	HS
2008	1	21	Ryan Perry (minors)	RHP	0.2	4Yr
2007	1	27	Rick Porcello (minors)	RHP	18.8	HS
2007	1s	60	*Brandon Hamilton (minors)	RHP		HS
2006	1	6	Andrew Miller (minors)	LHP	7.7	4Yr
2005	1	10	Cameron Maybin (minors)	OF	13.4	HS
2004	1	2	Justin Verlander (minors)	RHP	80.5	4Yr
2003	1	3	Kyle Sleeth (minors)	RHP		4Yr
2002	1	8	Scott Moore (minors)	SS	-0.8	HS

 

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Funny you mention Andrew Miller. He was traded for Miguel Cabrera, another 1st ballot HOFer. jacob Turner got them a couple of players who had nice seasons as Tigers.

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[WestEddy]

  On 3/25/2025 at 5:50 PM, Dick Allen said:

Funny you mention Andrew Miller. He was traded for Miguel Cabrera, another 1st ballot HOFer.

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Well, it's a deep draft this year where any of a half dozen guys could go #1, and there will still be great bats available at #10. I'm not sure how you think Getz should have "planned" differently. They were always going to be awful in 2024. He took over with about 5-6 weeks left in the 2023 season. 

And as for Miller, that's kind of like saying Jim Thome was traded to the White Sox for Daniel Haigwood without mentioning Rowand and Gio Gonzalez. Miller was one of a boat load of prospects sent to Miami for Cabrera. 

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[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/25/2025 at 5:57 PM, WestEddy said:

Well, it's a deep draft this year where any of a half dozen guys could go #1, and there will still be great bats available at #10. I'm not sure how you think Getz should have "planned" differently. They were always going to be awful in 2024. He took over with about 5-6 weeks left in the 2023 season. 

And as for Miller, that's kind of like saying Jim Thome was traded to the White Sox for Daniel Haigwood without mentioning Rowand and Gio Gonzalez. Miller was one of a boat load of prospects sent to Miami for Cabrera. 

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The Miguel Cabrera trade was still a fleecing.  Getz wakes up in a cold sweat wishing he could make a trade like this.  Then he struggles to fall back asleep all depressed thinking about his Cease and Santos trades.

December 4, 2007:  Miguel Cabrera traded by the Florida Marlins with Dontrelle Willis to the Detroit Tigers for Dallas Trahern (minors), Burke Badenhop, Frankie De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, and Mike Rabelo.

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[WestEddy]

  On 3/25/2025 at 6:12 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Miguel Cabrera trade was a fleecing.  Getz wakes up in a cold sweat wishing he could make a trade like this.  Then he tries to fall back asleep all depressed thinking about his Cease and Santos trades.

December 4, 2007:  Miguel Cabrera traded by the Florida Marlins with Dontrelle Willis to the Detroit Tigers for Dallas Trahern (minors), Burke Badenhop, Frankie De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, and Mike Rabelo.

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Everybody's an expert with 18 years of hindsight. Miller and Maybin were both top ten prospects. Badenhop and Trahern were live arms. That was a good return for Cabrera, AND they got the Tigers to take on Dontrelle Willis' contract. 

The main point is that Dombrowski's high first rounders (beyond Verlander taken at #2) weren't really impact stars. It's great that he packaged a bunch of them to get Cabrera while taking on Dontrelle's huge albatross of a contract. 

Miggy stopped producing in 2017 and stuck around for another 6 years. He was a centerpiece of that 2019 114-loss team, and the Tigers kept Al Avila as GM for another 4 years after that. I guess other teams don't fire their GMs either after a horrible season that scrapes the bottom of physically possible loss totals. 

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[southsider2k5]

  On 3/25/2025 at 6:12 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Miguel Cabrera trade was still a fleecing.  Getz wakes up in a cold sweat wishing he could make a trade like this.  Then he struggles to fall back asleep all depressed thinking about his Cease and Santos trades.

December 4, 2007:  Miguel Cabrera traded by the Florida Marlins with Dontrelle Willis to the Detroit Tigers for Dallas Trahern (minors), Burke Badenhop, Frankie De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, and Mike Rabelo.

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And by many accounts the Sox didn't get into that deal because they didn't want to take on Willis.

[Dick Allen]

  On 3/25/2025 at 6:27 PM, WestEddy said:

Everybody's an expert with 18 years of hindsight. Miller and Maybin were both top ten prospects. Badenhop and Trahern were live arms. That was a good return for Cabrera, AND they got the Tigers to take on Dontrelle Willis' contract. 

The main point is that Dombrowski's high first rounders (beyond Verlander taken at #2) weren't really impact stars. It's great that he packaged a bunch of them to get Cabrera while taking on Dontrelle's huge albatross of a contract. 

Miggy stopped producing in 2017 and stuck around for another 6 years. He was a centerpiece of that 2019 114-loss team, and the Tigers kept Al Avila as GM for another 4 years after that. I guess other teams don't fire their GMs either after a horrible season that scrapes the bottom of physically possible loss totals. 

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Miller was the #10 prospect in baseball. Yet your other post said he was a bad draft pick. Your batting average this thread might get you a spot in the White Sox line up. All these terrible GMS, yet they never were able to accomplish what Getz was able to accomplish in year 1. 121.

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[WhiteSox2023]

  On 3/25/2025 at 6:27 PM, WestEddy said:

Everybody's an expert with 18 years of hindsight. Miller and Maybin were both top ten prospects. Badenhop and Trahern were live arms. That was a good return for Cabrera, AND they got the Tigers to take on Dontrelle Willis' contract. 

The main point is that Dombrowski's high first rounders (beyond Verlander taken at #2) weren't really impact stars. It's great that he packaged a bunch of them to get Cabrera while taking on Dontrelle's huge albatross of a contract. 

Miggy stopped producing in 2017 and stuck around for another 6 years. He was a centerpiece of that 2019 114-loss team, and the Tigers kept Al Avila as GM for another 4 years after that. I guess other teams don't fire their GMs either after a horrible season that scrapes the bottom of physically possible loss totals. 

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It’s not a good return if the top prospects don’t pan out.  Knowing which prospects to give up is also the key to being a good GM.

[WestEddy]

  On 3/25/2025 at 6:37 PM, Dick Allen said:

Miller was the #10 prospect in baseball. Yet your other post said he was a bad draft pick. Your batting average this thread might get you a spot in the White Sox line up. All these terrible GMS, yet they never were able to accomplish what Getz was able to accomplish in year 1. 121.

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Yeah, Andrew Miller was a great pick. Never mind the fact that Clayton Kershaw was the very next pick, and Max Scherzer was 3 picks after that. Good on Dombrowski for trading a highly ranked prospect in a package for Willis' salary. 

[Dick Allen]

  On 3/25/2025 at 8:21 PM, WestEddy said:

Yeah, Andrew Miller was a great pick. Never mind the fact that Clayton Kershaw was the very next pick, and Max Scherzer was 3 picks after that. Good on Dombrowski for trading a highly ranked prospect in a package for Willis' salary. 

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I'd take Willis' contract for a bunch of guys who, while Miller became an awesome reliver a few years later, put up a combined 1.0 bWAR for the Marlins, if a 25 year old  Miguel Cabrera was included.

[caulfield12]

  On 3/25/2025 at 5:43 PM, WestEddy said:

I'm glad you mentioned the draft. Looking at Dombrowski's early 1st rounders with the Tigers, outside of that one pick, his early first rounders kind of sucked. Kyle Sleeth at #3 overall? Andrew Miller? Scott Moore? Jacob Turner? 

Seems like Dave Dombrowski's genius was in picking an owner who wanted to spend tons of money on free agency. 

year	rd	pick			bWAR
2015	1	34	Christin Stewart (minors)	OF	-1.1	4Yr
2014	1	23	Derek Hill (minors)	OF	-0.2	HS
2013	1	20	Jonathon Crawford (minors)	RHP		4Yr
2013	1	39	Corey Knebel (minors)	RHP	5.5	4Yr
2010	1s	44	*Nick Castellanos (minors)	3B	14	HS
2010	1s	48	*Chance Ruffin (minors)	RHP	-0.5	4Yr
2009	1	9	Jacob Turner (minors)	RHP	-2.6	HS
2008	1	21	Ryan Perry (minors)	RHP	0.2	4Yr
2007	1	27	Rick Porcello (minors)	RHP	18.8	HS
2007	1s	60	*Brandon Hamilton (minors)	RHP		HS
2006	1	6	Andrew Miller (minors)	LHP	7.7	4Yr
2005	1	10	Cameron Maybin (minors)	OF	13.4	HS
2004	1	2	Justin Verlander (minors)	RHP	80.5	4Yr
2003	1	3	Kyle Sleeth (minors)	RHP		4Yr
2002	1	8	Scott Moore (minors)	SS	-0.8	HS

 

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Andrew Miller turned into one of the best high leverage multi inning relievers in the sport the second half of his career.

Lots of playoff appearances.

[Stinky Stanky]

  On 3/23/2025 at 5:57 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

 

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There's your problem with a light bulb over its head.  Too many pitches.    Even Katz has a chance at fixing this.

[caulfield12]

  On 3/25/2025 at 10:15 PM, Stinky Stanky said:

There's your problem with a light bulb over its head.  Too many pitches.    Even Katz has a chance at fixing this.

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Vagisil will save the day!

At least when you're hyping one of the last players on the roster and lost 121 games last season.

Plus relievers are better when they don't make any noise at all...you don't even notice them.

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[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/25/2025 at 10:15 PM, Stinky Stanky said:

There's your problem with a light bulb over its head.  Too many pitches.    Even Katz has a chance at fixing this.

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Getz has said Vasil was on their radar when doing the research that led to picking Shane Smith.

He's the kind of guy Bannister likes to work with quickly and see if they can come up with a plan against hitters from both sides of plate . Lots of little things you can change quickly and see how comfortable they feel with it.

Davis Martin is a guy to keep your eye on as far as a guy who picked up the kick change and than a sinker to overhaul his plan of attack from working with Bannister and Katz and giving him an off season regiment . They won't have that luxury with Vasil so it'll have to happen on the fly. But it's like picking up a AAA starting pitching for almost free with an arm and pitch mix they look for and sticking him in the pen with a chance to start down the road if he can pitch decent enough to stick around all year especially in light of losing guys like Berroa,Adams,Thorpe who all had a good chance to pitch on the 2025 Sox.