Mason Adams - Tommy John

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/23/2025 at 8:51 PM, fathom said:

Yet Getz will keep his job somehow

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If JR isn't around in 2020 he won't have it. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

  On 3/23/2025 at 9:28 PM, Soxfest said:

Last few years Sox have had way more TJS in organization than just about any team. 

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6 in a 2 or 3 month period will do that.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/23/2025 at 9:41 PM, Lip Man 1 said:

If JR isn't around in 2020 he won't have it. 

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[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/23/2025 at 10:14 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

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Sorry that was a typo I mean 2030. My apologies.

[Lip Man 1]

Let me make my position clear especially for fans like PTAC who I respect his knowledge on things like this.

I don’t really believe in the “karma” aspect but I’m still waiting for someone to offer a rational explanation for this epidemic of injuries… not just this year, not just last year but going back to 2018.  

Remember that season the Sox had four players to use one example, not even able to get through their first game in a Sox uniform without suffering an injury, two of those were serious. (Charlie Tilson, Matt Davidson)

If I remember right it was in 2019 at one point they had nine pitchers alone of the IL.

The Sox can’t keep position players healthy because of generally soft tissue injuries, now the Sox can’t keep pitchers healthy.

Why?

I’ve posted what I’ve been told by numerous people inside and outside the organization when I’ve done stories on this. They feel there is something seriously amiss with the Sox medical, training and conditioning staffs and overall philosophy.

You can accept their comments or not but if you don’t I’d like to hear alternative theories.

But I personally won’t accept the “it’s just bad luck” BS excuse.

“Luck is a residue of design” – Branch Rickey Hall of Fame baseball executive.

“Bad luck” doesn’t happen year after year after year.

I also remind fans that Rick Hahn a few years ago, conducted a study to try to figure out why this was happening, to the best of my knowledge those results were never made public so who knows what was found.

What is factual is the Sox have gone through a boatload of trainers, strength and conditioning people the last decade and little is changing.

Again you ask why?

For those who never saw them these were the comments from sources specifically their thoughts on the injury situation and the Sox medical, training and conditioning staffs. It was from my story in November 2022. I’d submit things really haven’t changed and have gotten worse.

“Alan Thomas (Author’s Note: Thomas was the Director of Strength and Conditioning) was let go because his son was draft eligible and he was told the Sox no longer wanted to draft sons of members of the organization. Turns out his kid is playing center field for the Diamondbacks. I’m not saying he’d be playing center field for us but he’s good enough to be in the Major Leagues. I don’t know the new guy they brought in, but guys are getting hurt left and right.” (Author’s Note: I had heard Thomas disagreed with the results of the Sox injury study conducted last winter which was never released to the media or public. I was told he felt the Sox issues were only caused by the COVID restrictions. “The Sox play checkers where others teams play chess” when it comes to injury prevention, conditioning, nutrition, sleep schedules is a phrase I had heard mentioned.)

“The White Sox playing shorthanded started in 2007 when Jermaine Dye got hurt and Kenny Williams refused to call up Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney. Maybe they were cheap, maybe they wanted to protect Herm’s record of keeping guys off the DL.” (Author’s Note: Herm Schneider was the Sox longtime head trainer and for years the Sox were among the league leaders in keeping players healthy.) 

“Jake Peavy made the comment one time, ‘They have no reservations about playing shorthanded.”

“You know about Mike Reinold right? (Author’s Note: Reinold is the White Sox Senior Medical Advisor) He was fired by the Red Sox because he was injecting players with Toradol.” (Author’s Note: Bleacher Report had a story on this situation published in February 2013. Here is the link to that story: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530943-ex-red-sox-trainer-mike-reinold-injected-players-with-controversial-substance) 

“Given the inordinate amount of soft-tissue injuries they have had you’d think that they would do a complete change in the training, conditioning and nutritional areas.”

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I guess the only “good” to come out of this is that its not going to matter anyway, this organization is going to lose between 110-120 games again this year, but moving forward if they can’t keep their key players healthy it is going to blow up yet another rebuild attempt.

 

 

 

 

[ptatc]

  On 3/23/2025 at 10:34 PM, Lip Man 1 said:

Let me make my position clear especially for fans like PTAC who I respect his knowledge on things like this.

I don’t really believe in the “karma” aspect but I’m still waiting for someone to offer a rational explanation for this epidemic of injuries… not just this year, not just last year but going back to 2018.  

Remember that season the Sox had four players to use one example, not even able to get through their first game in a Sox uniform without suffering an injury, two of those were serious. (Charlie Tilson, Matt Davidson)

If I remember right it was in 2019 at one point they had nine pitchers alone of the IL.

The Sox can’t keep position players healthy because of generally soft tissue injuries, now the Sox can’t keep pitchers healthy.

Why?

I’ve posted what I’ve been told by numerous people inside and outside the organization when I’ve done stories on this. They feel there is something seriously amiss with the Sox medical, training and conditioning staffs and overall philosophy.

You can accept their comments or not but if you don’t I’d like to hear alternative theories.

But I personally won’t accept the “it’s just bad luck” BS excuse.

“Luck is a residue of design” – Branch Rickey Hall of Fame baseball executive.

“Bad luck” doesn’t happen year after year after year.

I also remind fans that Rick Hahn a few years ago, conducted a study to try to figure out why this was happening, to the best of my knowledge those results were never made public so who knows what was found.

What is factual is the Sox have gone through a boatload of trainers, strength and conditioning people the last decade and little is changing.

Again you ask why?

For those who never saw them these were the comments from sources specifically their thoughts on the injury situation and the Sox medical, training and conditioning staffs. It was from my story in November 2022. I’d submit things really haven’t changed and have gotten worse.

“Alan Thomas (Author’s Note: Thomas was the Director of Strength and Conditioning) was let go because his son was draft eligible and he was told the Sox no longer wanted to draft sons of members of the organization. Turns out his kid is playing center field for the Diamondbacks. I’m not saying he’d be playing center field for us but he’s good enough to be in the Major Leagues. I don’t know the new guy they brought in, but guys are getting hurt left and right.” (Author’s Note: I had heard Thomas disagreed with the results of the Sox injury study conducted last winter which was never released to the media or public. I was told he felt the Sox issues were only caused by the COVID restrictions. “The Sox play checkers where others teams play chess” when it comes to injury prevention, conditioning, nutrition, sleep schedules is a phrase I had heard mentioned.)

“The White Sox playing shorthanded started in 2007 when Jermaine Dye got hurt and Kenny Williams refused to call up Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney. Maybe they were cheap, maybe they wanted to protect Herm’s record of keeping guys off the DL.” (Author’s Note: Herm Schneider was the Sox longtime head trainer and for years the Sox were among the league leaders in keeping players healthy.) 

“Jake Peavy made the comment one time, ‘They have no reservations about playing shorthanded.”

“You know about Mike Reinold right? (Author’s Note: Reinold is the White Sox Senior Medical Advisor) He was fired by the Red Sox because he was injecting players with Toradol.” (Author’s Note: Bleacher Report had a story on this situation published in February 2013. Here is the link to that story: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1530943-ex-red-sox-trainer-mike-reinold-injected-players-with-controversial-substance) 

“Given the inordinate amount of soft-tissue injuries they have had you’d think that they would do a complete change in the training, conditioning and nutritional areas.”

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I guess the only “good” to come out of this is that its not going to matter anyway, this organization is going to lose between 110-120 games again this year, but moving forward if they can’t keep their key players healthy it is going to blow up yet another rebuild attempt.

 

 

 

 

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I apologize. Cheap shot. I knownyou really don't think that JRs karma caused the injuries. You made the comment during a long discussion.

I won't bring it up again.

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/23/2025 at 11:29 PM, ptatc said:

I apologize. Cheap shot. I knownyou really don't think that JRs karma caused the injuries. You made the comment during a long discussion.

I won't bring it up again.

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No worries man but if you can offer some possible theories (based on limited knowledge I grant you since you aren't in the training room) I'd appreciate hearing them. Would like to know if you have any guesses.

[ptatc]

  On 3/24/2025 at 12:11 AM, Lip Man 1 said:

No worries man but if you can offer some possible theories (based on limited knowledge I grant you since you aren't in the training room) I'd appreciate hearing them. Would like to know if you have any guesses.

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For the pitchersrs you could say its inevitable that that most will have UCL reconstruction as it's the way of today's game. Rhey have a number if high end young pitcher thus are susceptible. Also the Sox seem to like guys that throw with odd arm angles. These will also have a higher occurrence of injury. 

Then you need to look at the offseaon program and the way the pitching coaches handle the pitchers.

For the hitters it seems bad luck. Benintendi, rojas and Drury had weird fractures. Slater had the Oblique which not uncommon.

[mac9001]

For a timing perspective at least it's happening early enough where all these guys should be pitching at some point next year. We're not going to be competitive in '26, so really at least they have time to get back and show they're ready to contribute in the bigs come '27.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Walked back. he's not confirmed for TJ right now. Though I'm sure it's coming

 

 

[Lip Man 1]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:48 AM, Buehrle>Wood said:

Walked back. he's not confirmed for TJ right now. Though I'm sure it's coming

 

 

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Yep it's absolutely coming.

[ptatc]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:48 AM, Buehrle>Wood said:

Walked back. he's not confirmed for TJ right now. Though I'm sure it's coming

 

 

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Good possibility.

[caulfield12]

Of course, even if those pitchers are ramping up second half 2026 they will all still have innings restrictions in 2027...

 

Edited Monday at 04:48 PM by caulfield12

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/24/2025 at 3:46 AM, caulfield12 said:

Of course, even if those pitcher are ramping up second half 2026 they will all still have innings restrictions in 2027...

 

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Really it depends if they end up on the 12 month end of things, they can use 26 as their rebuilding season, and be full strength in 27.  if it hits more of the 18 month, they fully miss 2026 and 27 becomes their ramp up, which pushes a guy like Thorpe to 2028 to be back to "normal", meanwhile he is almost to arb status.

[mac9001]

There's a good chance after this Thorpe will spend some additional time in AAA thus pushing his arb clock back a bit as the competition for rotation spots will intensify quite a bit next year. 

As things stand you have to assume he would need to earn his way back into what's shaping up to be a very crowded and competitive 2026 rotation picture.

But all the TJs also illustrate how foolish it would be to trade a cost controlled asset like Davis Martin. Unless you're getting an above average starting position player having depth in the rotation will be more valuable than just getting low A ball high ceiling prospects for the likes of Davis.

 

 

[T R U]

  On 3/24/2025 at 4:06 PM, mac9001 said:

There's a good chance after this Thorpe will spend some additional time in AAA thus pushing his arb clock back a bit as the competition for rotation spots will intensify quite a bit next year. 

As things stand you have to assume he would need to earn his way back into what's shaping up to be a very crowded and competitive 2026 rotation picture.

But all the TJs also illustrate how foolish it would be to trade a cost controlled asset like Davis Martin. Unless you're getting an above average starting position player having depth in the rotation will be more valuable than just getting low A ball high ceiling prospects for the likes of Davis.

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You can forget about next year, and if there is going to be a lockout in 2027 its looking more like 2028 for Thorpe, which sucks, because who knows what you're getting 3 years later.

Sadly, same can be said for all these guys getting it done right now.