Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Monday at 04:45 PM Share Posted Monday at 04:45 PM On 3/24/2025 at 3:39 PM, southsider2k5 said: He also got carte blanche on the free agent market and plugged a lot of key guys in that way. Expand Dave is notorious for getting owners over the finish line. His owners spend as much, in a lot of ways, because of Dave. The optimal organization structure in baseball hasn't been a secret - you could hire a consultant to tell you how to build and hire. A GM job is to come up with their own model, not copy everyone else. At least in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted Monday at 04:52 PM Share Posted Monday at 04:52 PM On 3/24/2025 at 4:45 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Dave is notorious for getting owners over the finish line. His owners spend as much, in a lot of ways, because of Dave. The optimal organization structure in baseball hasn't been a secret - you could hire a consultant to tell you how to build and hire. A GM job is to come up with their own model, not copy everyone else. At least in my opinion. Expand I think when you hire DD, it’s probably very explicitly and tediously explained that you are spending money otherwise he isn’t gonna help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted Monday at 04:58 PM Share Posted Monday at 04:58 PM F - 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted Monday at 05:01 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:01 PM On 3/24/2025 at 2:04 PM, Kyyle23 said: These personal grades all boil down to your believe in this process. i can’t give this more than a D. All of the hires everyone is excited about don’t mean anything until the product on the field improves, minor and major leagues. The minors ranking isn’t exciting until it continues through multiple seasons, we have seen this sort of bump in minors rankings when the team sells off. It never stays. it will be interesting to see the temperature of this board if they lose 120 again. A lot of people will be ok with them getting back to only losing 100 again, I hope they can get that 20 game improvement but it’s really hard to see Expand I hope they lose enough to have the top odds at landing the #1 pick. It's a significant part of this working. On 3/24/2025 at 2:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: While calling everyone else short sighted. Expand I do think people are being short-sighted in some regard. Focusing on the big league record too much just doesn't make much sense to me right now. On 3/24/2025 at 3:34 PM, T R U said: He's done almost as much in the last 20 years as a GM as the Sox have done as a franchise in their 125 year history. If that's what Getz turns into, ill gladly admit how wrong I was. Expand Comparing to Dave Dombrowski doesn't really make sense. He only goes places where he can spend lots and lots of money on players. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Monday at 05:05 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:05 PM (edited) On 3/24/2025 at 5:01 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I hope they lose enough to have the top odds at landing the #1 pick. It's a significant part of this working. I do think people are being short-sighted in some regard. Focusing on the big league record too much just doesn't make much sense to me right now. Comparing to Dave Dombrowski doesn't really make sense. He only goes places where he can spend lots and lots of money on players. Expand That wasn't that true in Montreal and with his second Marlins' WS foundation...which happened two years after he left. "He has helped build four different franchises (Marlins, Tigers, Red Sox, Phillies) into pennant-winning teams, and he has won the World Series twice — with the Marlins in 1997 and the Red Sox in 2018." "For the Marlins, he oversaw the amateur signings of Livan Hernandez, Miguel Cabrera, Luis Castillo, Alex Gonzalez and Edgar Renteria as well as the drafting of Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez." Edited Monday at 05:16 PM by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted Monday at 05:09 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:09 PM On 3/24/2025 at 5:01 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I hope they lose enough to have the top odds at landing the #1 pick. It's a significant part of this working. I do think people are being short-sighted in some regard. Focusing on the big league record too much just doesn't make much sense to me right now. Comparing to Dave Dombrowski doesn't really make sense. He only goes places where he can spend lots and lots of money on players. Expand If the Sox had a list of positional prospects which were home grown moving up the charts and the depth there was strong and ascending, I would have graded him higher. But right now I haven't seen it - doesn't mean it isn't happening and to be clear while I wouldn't have made the move to him in the first place, that is not what I'm assessing...rather, I do think he is on year 2 of what probably takes 3 years to start to see the fruit...but momentum has to start accelerating and in fairness it was probably more of a 3-4 year until you start to see the fruit's of the foundation (or the same cracks start showing) just because of how bad the initial foundation was (and it was really bad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted Monday at 05:28 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:28 PM I advocated to take the gamble and wait on a Cease trade for a better return. Obviously we’ll never know how well Cease would have pitched for the Sox, but also hard to defend the Cease return…even without the Thorpe injury. But other than that? No idea what he is expected to do. I don’t believe he has a bigger budget at his disposal and just doesn’t want to use it. In a full rebuild you pretty just have to cross your fingers and hope. The real test will be if/when the young guys develop and it’s time to add the finishing pieces….if Getz is around for that (hopefully the team is sold and a new GM is brought in) Overall a “C, for now” seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Monday at 05:30 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:30 PM On 3/24/2025 at 4:05 PM, Quin said: Again, touche and I'm now gonna move the goalpost (and I acknowledge that): Dombrowski also won a World Series 6 years earlier. He did have one of the biggest disaster trades of all time as Expos GM(Randy Johnson), but he was someone with bona fides. Now, to give Getz a point back: Dombrowski also had an owner that was basically the opposite of Jerry when it came to spending. Expand I agree with all of this. Dombrowski was hired for his track record. Getz has yet to prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Monday at 05:32 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:32 PM So far 35/40 (87.5%) posters have Getz at a C or lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Monday at 05:45 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:45 PM On 3/24/2025 at 5:30 PM, WestEddy said: I agree with all of this. Dombrowski was hired for his track record. Getz has yet to prove it. Expand Dave deserved the jobs he was given. He had earned them, whether I agree with his strategy or not. Chris didn't deserve or earn his job, and therefore does not deserve any benefit of the doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted Monday at 05:49 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:49 PM On 3/24/2025 at 1:31 PM, Highland said: I said C because it is hard to evaluate Getz with the owner he has. Also, we have to see how the young talent develops. I agree with ptac. Getz is trying to change the organization, and Venable is a good hire. But the rebuild is painfully slow. One off season after another is boring. And in the past, White Sox rebuilds have been a mixed bag. They will get good, even win a division, but slide back and it's time for another rebuild. Additionally, if there are injuries it makes things even harder because the team lacks depth. That's why we see guys like Sheets playing right field. (Even though I have to give Sheets credit. He tried to be a decent right fielder.) One thing the Sox have to do better is acquire and develop young talent in their own system. Then they won't have tear down and trade for other team's prospects. Yet, the team can't have off season after off season not spending at least some money. Many fans don't think the team is trying to win, and they can't be blamed for that. Getz needs to establish credibility, hard as that is with JR as the owner. Expand I agree with your points. If we are going to spend like a small market team...we need this slow rebuild while fixing the organization. It would be twice as fast with a different owner IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Monday at 05:50 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:50 PM On 3/24/2025 at 5:45 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Dave deserved the jobs he was given. He had earned them, whether I agree with his strategy or not. Chris didn't deserve or earn his job, and therefore does not deserve any benefit of the doubt. Expand Counterpoint: After 9 years in various front offices, Getz did deserve a shot at the GM job, and does deserve the benefit of the doubt. Dombrowski got his first shot at GM in Montreal after 10 years in baseball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted Monday at 05:51 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:51 PM On 3/24/2025 at 5:32 PM, caulfield12 said: So far 35/40 (87.5%) posters have Getz at a C or lower. Expand Crunching the numbers, his GPA from the board is a 66.5%, so squarely a D. Considering that's double their winning percentage from last year, I think he's being judged fairly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted Monday at 05:58 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:58 PM D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Monday at 06:00 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:00 PM On 3/24/2025 at 5:01 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I hope they lose enough to have the top odds at landing the #1 pick. It's a significant part of this working. I do think people are being short-sighted in some regard. Focusing on the big league record too much just doesn't make much sense to me right now. Comparing to Dave Dombrowski doesn't really make sense. He only goes places where he can spend lots and lots of money on players. Expand Sure, but then don't turn around and declare victory on the prospect side of a trade that will need 4-6 years to be fully understood. That would be the poster child of short-sighted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted Monday at 06:14 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:14 PM On 3/24/2025 at 5:50 PM, WestEddy said: Counterpoint: After 9 years in various front offices, Getz did deserve a shot at the GM job, and does deserve the benefit of the doubt. Dombrowski got his first shot at GM in Montreal after 10 years in baseball. Expand Getz didn't deserve a shot at the GM Job because he was director of player development during a failed rebuild that was largely because no one got developed. That's the main reason why. He should have never been allowed to be GM here. He should have been let go with the rest of them. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Monday at 06:14 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:14 PM On 3/24/2025 at 5:50 PM, WestEddy said: Counterpoint: After 9 years in various front offices, Getz did deserve a shot at the GM job, and does deserve the benefit of the doubt. Dombrowski got his first shot at GM in Montreal after 10 years in baseball. Expand I think you and Jerry R are the only people alive who thought Chris Getz deserved a GM job. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Monday at 06:16 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:16 PM On 3/24/2025 at 5:50 PM, WestEddy said: Counterpoint: After 9 years in various front offices, Getz did deserve a shot at the GM job, and does deserve the benefit of the doubt. Dombrowski got his first shot at GM in Montreal after 10 years in baseball. Expand What do you think, besides Seby Zavala, his successes were in his previous roles? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Monday at 06:18 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:18 PM On 3/24/2025 at 6:14 PM, T R U said: Getz didn't deserve a shot at the GM Job because he was director of player development during a failed rebuild that was largely because no one got developed. That's the main reason why. He should have never been allowed to be GM here. He should have been let go with the rest of them. Expand On 3/24/2025 at 6:14 PM, T R U said: Getz didn't deserve a shot at the GM Job because he was director of player development during a failed rebuild that was largely because no one got developed. That's the main reason why. He should have never been allowed to be GM here. He should have been let go with the rest of them. Expand Counterpoint: Getz did develop the best players brought into the system, comprising a core that resulted in a two year run of playoff appearances. Many Player Development Directors have achieved less and went on to become General Managers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted Monday at 06:20 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:20 PM I’d give it an F for the sole reason that I’m not sure it could have been worse in some aspects if you tried. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Monday at 06:23 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:23 PM (edited) On 3/24/2025 at 6:20 PM, fathom said: I’d give it an F for the sole reason that I’m not sure it could have been worse in some aspects if you tried. Expand Yep. Many other GMs of teams have intentionally tanked over the years for draft picks, saving money, etc., and yet none of those GMs managed to achieve what Getz did. Edited Monday at 06:24 PM by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted Monday at 06:34 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:34 PM Getz walked into a bad situation, yes, but he was also involved in its making. He then proceeded to dig the hole even deeper, putting out the worst team in baseball history while burning limited trade capital for poor returns. He also failed miserably in adding short term flippable assests while burying youth that needed to be evaluated at the big league level. His one good trade is mostly responsible for a higher farm rating in my view, and a farm system rating based on amassing talent other orgs traded to you is not impressive to me. Getz, the former director of player development, can't exactly point to many developemental wins under his watch. Position player developemet has been a long term failure for this org, of which he was a part of and in charge of. It is too soon to know if his org changes will have a tangible impact on player developement - an area he has already been responsible for and has failed miserably. I'll believe it when I see it. His hires look good so far, but it is too soon judge the impact. While it appears he is overhauling the org, we haven't exactly seen him display a magic touch in other areas, so the skepticism there is fair. Dragging the org into the 20th century is great, but he gets no credit from me until its proven that the org is functioning at the same modern era standards the best orgs in baseball are. If Getz were an outside hire walking in with zero previous ties I might have more grace for the job he has done so far. But that is not the case. The few positives we can point to aren't very tangible yet, and simply don't offset his tangible failures so far. He gets nothing but an F from me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted Monday at 06:41 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:41 PM A strong C. He wasn't brought in to win, or put together a winning roster, so the on-the-field stuff is essentially meaningless, in my eyes. He's flopped on the trade front but has countered that with a complete reorg of the baseball side of the business. I would argue that's a harder job than most GMs in the league have in any given season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted Monday at 08:16 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:16 PM On 3/24/2025 at 4:43 PM, caulfield12 said: What other choice was there with the lowest or second lowest payroll in all of baseball? Expand Exactly. But did Kenny or Rick do such things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Monday at 08:18 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:18 PM Larry Himes built a team that won 94 games with the lowest payroll in baseball. He was fired after the season ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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