DBAHO Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 It helps when the US can get automatic qualification into the World Cup by finishin in the top 4 of the CONCACAF region. Australia has to beat the otha Oceania nations, and then, has to play either the 4th placed team from Asia or South America in a playoff for the last spot in the World Cup. What a joke. And we got players like Harry Kewell, Mark Viduka and Brett Emerton who r bonafide stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 By the way, SuperSteve, you seem to know a lot about soccer, dont come across many of those, so who do you think the top 10 in the world are...not in order, just top 10. I'd go with: -Ronaldo -Luis Figo -David Beckham -Zenedine Zidane -Roberto Carlos -Edgar Davids -Ole Gunnar Soljskaier (sp?) -Rivaldo -Alessandro Del Piero -Michael Ballack -Goalie: Oliver Kahn Honorable mention to: -Freddy Ljunberg -Thierry Henry -Ronaldhino -Raul -Patrick Kluivert -Michael Owen -El Hadji Diouf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Where's Mia Hamm Sonix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Mia Hamm brings some serious SEXY. Nomar is one lucky bastard. People talk about him being distracted dyring playoffs....Mia IS the trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Where's Mia Hamm Sonix? i meant men's soccer and if anyone know's about soccer, i'd be curious in your opinions too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I'd go with: -Ronaldo -Luis Figo -David Beckham -Zenedine Zidane -Roberto Carlos -Edgar Davids -Rivaldo -Alessandro Del Piero -Michael Ballack -Goalie: Oliver Kahn Honorable mention to: -Freddy Ljunberg -Thierry Henry -Ronaldhino -Raul -Patrick Kluivert -Michael Owen -El Hadji Diouf 1st off Sonix about what you said on Beasley in 02- I think he was misused. He played well and the US could have used his speed at times when Arena didn't play him. Either way Beasley has grown so much this season for the Fire. I've happily watched him all season long and he is just awesome. He is my favorite player, so fun to watch. As for the top 10 list: Beckham- best free kick taker in the world, haven't seen him much but most don't think he is that good overall Zidane- he belonged here 2 years ago, maybe even last year, not this year...too old Davids- really? I'm surprised with this Ballack- he's good, but I don't see him top 10. He'd fit in my honorable mention Kluivert- Wow, overrated No Totti, Viera, Henrik Larsson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 If you believe Adu is 14, I got some nice oceanside property in Iowa I can sell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 1st off Sonix about what you said on Beasley in 02- I think he was misused. He played well and the US could have used his speed at times when Arena didn't play him. Either way Beasley has grown so much this season for the Fire. I've happily watched him all season long and he is just awesome. He is my favorite player, so fun to watch. As for the top 10 list: Beckham- best free kick taker in the world, haven't seen him much but most don't think he is that good overall Zidane- he belonged here 2 years ago, maybe even last year, not this year...too old Davids- really? I'm surprised with this Ballack- he's good, but I don't see him top 10. He'd fit in my honorable mention Kluivert- Wow, overrated No Totti, Viera, Henrik Larsson? ya Ballack was the last guy i put up there, i was really having a tough time with #10 and he came to mind. I forgot about Totti and i'm drawing a blank on Henrik Larson right now. Kluivert is a very good scorer, not good enough to put in top 10, thats why i put him in Honorable Mention. And as for Davids, he is one of the top midfielders in the world imo, he doesnt score much, but his ball control and passing made me put him, maybe a bit of a stretch. You're right about Viera, he should be there. What would your top 10 list be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I haven;t followed soccer in a few years, but any top 10 should ONLY be comprised with IMPACT players who can singlehandedly change the flow of the game, NOT mere finishers or role players. Consistency is important as well, not just one-year wonders. Examples: Ronaldo is such a player. Vierri, Raul and Del Pierro used to be, but I hear not anymore. Zidan was. Romario. Stoichkov. Boksic. Suker. Van Basten. Klinsmman. R. Baggio. Maradonna. Josef Mila and his Camerooon teammate who retied about 7 years ago. Berkamp, Amochaci, Veah used to be. Rivaldo. Figu. That German of East-european descent whose name escapes me. Batistuta Owens R-Carlos. I am surprised Rafa hasn't weighted in- he is more up to date with current players, but beware the list might be Brazil-heavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I haven;t followed soccer in a few years, but any top 10 should ONLY be comprised with IMPACT players who can singlehandedly change the flow of the game, NOT mere finishers or role players. Consistency is important as well, not just one-year wonders. Examples: Ronaldo is such a player. Vierri, Raul and Del Pierro used to be, but I hear not anymore. Zidan was. Romario. Stoichkov. Boksic. Suker. Van Basten. Klinsmman. R. Baggio. Maradonna. Josef Mila and his Camerooon teammate who retied about 7 years ago. Berkamp, Amochaci, Veah used to be. Rivaldo. Figu. That German of East-european descent whose name escapes me. Batistuta Owens R-Carlos. I am surprised Rafa hasn't weighted in- he is more up to date with current players, but beware the list might be Brazil-heavy Suker? The guy from Turkey? I disagree, hes a very good player, but i dont think he can be compared with the other "premiere" players in Europe. Also, your list includes a lot of people who are way past their prime, which i get that your list isnt a current one, but thats a pretty good list too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Suker? The guy from Turkey? I disagree, hes a very good player, but i dont think he can be compared with the other "premiere" players in Europe. Also, your list includes a lot of people who are way past their prime, which i get that your list isnt a current one, but thats a pretty good list too. Suker is from Croatia and he is long past his prime. The point is that when he was at his best in the 90's, he was single-handedly beating teams in Spanish premiere league (led it in scoring in number of years) AND if I recall had a hellava 1998 World Cup. The list admitedly is comprised of players from the last decade+, EXAMPLES of players who in their heyday were were pretty damn good, both on club- and national team levels. I already said that I haven't followed soccer in 3-4 years at least, so you should take the list and think of who among the CURRENT players (some still play obvisouly) is comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Ok here is my top 10 in no particular order. 1) Ruud Van Nistelrooj 2) Thierry Henry 3) Andrey Shevchenko 4) Rio Ferdinand 5) Damien Duff 6) Hernan Crespo 7) Rafael Van de Vaart 8) Patrick Kluivert 9) David Beckham 10) Harry Kewell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Ok here is my top 10 in no particular order. 1) Ruud Van Nistelrooj 2) Thierry Henry 3) Andrey Shevchenko 4) Rio Ferdinand 5) Damien Duff 6) Hernan Crespo 7) Rafael Van de Vaart 8) Patrick Kluivert 9) David Beckham 10) Harry Kewell No Ronaldo? Rivaldo? Figu? Vieri? Del Piero? Owens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 No Ronaldo? Rivaldo? Figu? Vieri? Del Piero? Owens? 1) Ronaldo was only good when he was young in his PSV Eidenhoven and Barcelona days. His knees r pretty screwed. 2) Rivaldo can't even get a game with AC Milan at the moment. He's tryin to get to Liverpool but no-one wants to pay his wage demands. 2 years ago, he would be a top 5 playa, easily. 3) Figo is like 32 now, past his prime and not in the starting team any more as Beckham's taken his place. 4) Vieri's a good striker but guys like Crespo and Van Nistelrooj r just a little bit betta with their skills on the ground. 5) Del Piero is easily overrated ever since he blew his knee bout 5 years ago he hasn't been the same silky smooth playa since. 6) Owen is too small, can't hold the ball up, needs a powerful striker e.g Heskey or Diouf to play well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Suker is from Croatia and he is long past his prime. The point is that when he was at his best in the 90's, he was single-handedly beating teams in Spanish premiere league (led it in scoring in number of years) AND if I recall had a hellava 1998 World Cup. The list admitedly is comprised of players from the last decade+, EXAMPLES of players who in their heyday were were pretty damn good, both on club- and national team levels. I already said that I haven't followed soccer in 3-4 years at least, so you should take the list and think of who among the CURRENT players (some still play obvisouly) is comparable. oh ok, cuz theres a guy i think named Hakan Suker or something like that on Turkey who is one of Turkey's most prolific scorers, thats why i thought it was him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Ok here is my top 10 in no particular order. 1) Ruud Van Nistelrooj 2) Thierry Henry 3) Andrey Shevchenko 4) Rio Ferdinand 5) Damien Duff 6) Hernan Crespo 7) Rafael Van de Vaart 8) Patrick Kluivert 9) David Beckham 10) Harry Kewell Ferdinand, Duff, and Kewell? Seriously? And i like Kluivert but in my opinion Bergkamp and Davids are better. I respect your opinion, but that list is somewhat suprising to see, in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 6) Owen is too small, can't hold the ball up, needs a powerful striker e.g Heskey or Diouf to play well. El Hadji Diouf is now a "powerful" striker? I think he is one of the best with the ball in the world right now, and he and Camara make for one hell of a pair, and Diouf knows how to finish, but look at him, he must weigh like 140 pounds, that hardly makes him a "powerful" striker in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 1) Ronaldo was only good when he was young in his PSV Eidenhoven and Barcelona days. His knees r pretty screwed. 2) Rivaldo can't even get a game with AC Milan at the moment. He's tryin to get to Liverpool but no-one wants to pay his wage demands. 2 years ago, he would be a top 5 playa, easily. 3) Figo is like 32 now, past his prime and not in the starting team any more as Beckham's taken his place. 4) Vieri's a good striker but guys like Crespo and Van Nistelrooj r just a little bit betta with their skills on the ground. 5) Del Piero is easily overrated ever since he blew his knee bout 5 years ago he hasn't been the same silky smooth playa since. 6) Owen is too small, can't hold the ball up, needs a powerful striker e.g Heskey or Diouf to play well. 1 and 2. Ronaldo and Rivaldo single-handedly won the frigging World Cup just a year ago, something only a few players have done in the history of the game. Should count for something, no? 3. 32 is not that old in soccer. Cameroon's Mila was still good at 40. Wasn't Figu players of the year back in 2001? Has he declined that fast? 4. Granted I remember Vierri and Crespo from about 2-3 years back, but back then Vierri was simply a better striker- more dangerous, with more goals, the most impoirtant for a forward. Crespo wasn;t as good as aging Batistuta back then. Is he much better now? oes he compare favorably with old Claudio Caniga? 5. Del Pierro was awesome in mid-90's when he just came up and played for Juventus against Barusia Dortmund squad in LC. Too bad about knee injures, almost impossible to recover. 6. Probably true. What about Sytchev and Shevchenko? Any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Hakan Sukur from Turkey (not Suker from Croatio) has long been a very underrated player because he spent most of his time playing for his Turkish team. Always liked his style, he probably washed up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Hakan Sukur from Turkey (not Suker from Croatio) has long been a very underrated player because he spent most of his time playing for his Turkish team. Always liked his style, he probably washed up now. ya he is pretty much done. There was that controversy whether he should be playing the World Cup as much as he did because they had an up and comer who was probably better (dont remember the name). But when i saw the name Suker i just assumed you meant Hakan Sukur, i dont really know mych about the Croat oh and on the topic of underrated from Turkey, their goalie is pretty good, as is Hasan Sas, their midfielder. He had a very solid world cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Ferdinand, Duff, and Kewell? Seriously? And i like Kluivert but in my opinion Bergkamp and Davids are better. I respect your opinion, but that list is somewhat suprising to see, in my opinion Bergkamp can't even get a game with Arsenal now with Henry, Wiltord and even Kanu ahead of him. He's past his prime for sure. And Davids is good, but in my opinion he isn't a match winner. Guys like Duff and Kewell can single handledy turn a game on its shoulders with their dribbling and finishing skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 My Top 10 in any order: 1. Thierre Henry 2. Ronaldo 3. Ruud VanNistelrooy 4. Michael Ballack 5. Ronaldinho 6. Beckham 7. Davids 8. Francesco Totti 9. Damien Duff 10. Raul Others that came to mind: David Trezeguet, Pauleta, Van Da Vaart (from Ajax), Patrick Kluivert, Ryan Giggs, Roy Keane, Hernan Crespo, Adrian Mutu, Henrik Larsson... I'm sure i forgot a bunch of guys but heres a generic list with no defensive players or goalies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'm sure i forgot a bunch of guys but heres a generic list with no defensive players or goalies... well as far as goalies go, there are only a handful people could argue as the best. Kahn sticks out in my opinion as the best but there are some other good ones in Casillas, Seaman, Barthez also come to mind. Tim Howard, by the way, he is starting to make a name for himself too, first American goalie who could claim that (Freidel to an extent) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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