YASNY Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Hmm great article, thanx YASNY. My guess is that he'll be closin games down in Tampa Bay in 2004, but just wait for his arm to blow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 If he doesn't want to be here, after we gave him a second chance, then good riddance, jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Forget da D-Rays look at this. NY Daily News Article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick03 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Link awesome article....buh bye flash!! :finger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 flash did a solid job for the Sox last year. But he's not a $5 million reliever any more, not with his age and injury history. and I wouldn't give him multiple years. Looks like we're banking on William to turn it around. Tums, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 No big surprises here. KW has said all along that he isn't going to chase players that don't want to be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 No big surprises here. KW has said all along that he isn't going to chase players that don't want to be here. So that means we will have a team of minor league players?! Seriously, it seems like there are few players that do want to be here this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 It was pretty much a given that Gordon would be gone ... as soon as he started referring to himself in the 3rd person late in the season: "Flash has proven he can close games, and Flash wants to stay in a closer's role." He wants a two year deal. I wouldn't give it to him either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 It's looking like this is going to be a totally different team. I hope it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Anybody that pays someone $5 million when he's one curveball away from needing a bionic arm is an idiot. My bet is he ends up in Texas after they get into a bidding war with themselves and sign him for around $8 million/year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Can't blame Kenny here. There are a lot of quality relievers out there and giving big bucks to someone with as checkered of a past as Gordon just isn't wise (Ie...injuries galore). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 As a Fan that Headline makes me sick :puke Tight on Cash??? With the increase in attendace??? :fyou :fyou :fyou REINSDORK!!!!! :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 As a Fan that Headline makes me sick :puke Tight on Cash??? With the increase in attendace??? :fyou :fyou :fyou REINSDORK!!!!! :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Interesting note in the article about Mags...... "The Sox' GM did not deny that trading Ordonez is a possibility, although he made it clear that the team's right fielder is not actively being shopped and he expects the four-time All-Star to be on the roster in 2004." Take it for what it's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 As a Fan that Headline makes me sick :puke Tight on Cash??? With the increase in attendace??? :fyou :fyou :fyou REINSDORK!!!!! :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL Reinsdork wouldn't know 'tight on cash' if it bit him in the ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 This upsets Flash Tizzle. Besides Marte, Flash was a very consistent pitcher. He came into many games having to stop the flood gates or hold a lead....and nearly everytime came through. I realize he is prone to injuries and to risk his health with a limited payroll doesnt make sense. If KW makes a smart move to acquire an equally talented (but less expensive) reliever then I will be happy. But until this move is made I will miss Gordon in our bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer99 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 does this likely mean KW wont offer Flash Arbitration??? and will he likely offer Colon Arbitration??....if we dont get any extra draft picks i will be extremely pissed Will he offer it to them or not? By the way, i think the phillies will sign him as a RH Set up man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 does this likely mean KW wont offer Flash Arbitration??? and will he likely offer Colon Arbitration??....if we dont get any extra draft picks i will be extremely pissed Will he offer it to them or not? By the way, i think the phillies will sign him as a RH Set up man You'd have to be a fool not to offer Gordon arbitration. At the very worse he comes back and if he accepts the Sox aren't stuck giving him much of a raise. Most likely he'll go elsewhere and the Sox will get a pick. And losing a draft pick won't bother the Devil Rays because they are in a spot where htey don't have to give up a draft pick. I think Maggs stays here and the Sox move Konerko/Koch/Lee instead. I'd really like it if they could move Konerko and Koch and keep the rest, but its probably not going to happen at least not if the SOx want some flexibility to sign some relievers as well as a few guys that could come off the bench. I think Maggs will sign a long term deal sooner or later at a lower base salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmarte Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Interesting note in the article about Mags...... "The Sox' GM did not deny that trading Ordonez is a possibility, although he made it clear that the team's right fielder is not actively being shopped and he expects the four-time All-Star to be on the roster in 2004." Take it for what it's worth. KW would have to be a complete idiot to say anything different until a deal is final. I'm not hopeful, there is too much money tied up in too few people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Both Colon and Flash will be offered arbitration. And so far, neither has an offer by another team. This is posturing by a player looking for a multi-year contract. All these people taking jabs and JR again, as if he has done or hasn't done a thing yet this off season, is typical BS. So far, he's made a nice offer to Colon. That's it. No one's been traded or cut...no player has signed with another team. We've all heard quite a few teams are cutting payroll, some drastically. It looks like the Sox payroll will remain about the same, plus or minus a few mill. At a time when other teams are cutting payroll, how is this such a terrible crime by JR? No one even knows what the team's going to look like, but everyone's all gloom and doom and swearing at Sox management. At least wait until you see something worth getting all worked up about, for crying out loud. And by the way...Flash wants $5 mill per for multiple years at a time when so far, player salaries are soft. And he has a health history worse than mine [mot a good thing]. How is that something that makes JR a bad guy? If he signed Flash to a multi-year deal at $5 mill per right now, that would make him a stupid owner. He's not. Do you guys have to keep writing the same tired old "JR is cheap" posts every day? Recent poster: "It's raining like hell outside today!" Recent reply: "Jr is cheap as hell!!! We'll never win until he sells!!!" Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 The Sox' GM did not deny that trading Ordonez is a possibility, although he made it clear that the team's right fielder is not actively being shopped and he expects the four-time All-Star to be on the roster in 2004. ''If I had to make a prediction right now, very few of the upper-echelon players will be traded,'' he said. ''That's just my prediction after seeing these things, year after year, take on a life of their own. ''But with us, everybody knows our circumstances here. And I promise you this: If there is an impact player out there, we're trying to acquire him however that can happen.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 You'd have to be a fool not to offer Gordon arbitration. At the very worse he comes back and if he accepts the Sox aren't stuck giving him much of a raise. Most likely he'll go elsewhere and the Sox will get a pick. And losing a draft pick won't bother the Devil Rays because they are in a spot where htey don't have to give up a draft pick. I think Maggs stays here and the Sox move Konerko/Koch/Lee instead. I'd really like it if they could move Konerko and Koch and keep the rest, but its probably not going to happen at least not if the SOx want some flexibility to sign some relievers as well as a few guys that could come off the bench. I think Maggs will sign a long term deal sooner or later at a lower base salary. ONe question: I don't understand the line about the Rays not being in a spot where they have to give up a draft pick. Please explain. Pick from the Rays would be valuable -- a top 10 or higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 ONe question: I don't understand the line about the Rays not being in a spot where they have to give up a draft pick. Please explain. Pick from the Rays would be valuable -- a top 10 or higher. I'll take this one If a team has a top 15 pick, you get 2 sandwich picks. Like, for instance, if we offer Flash arbitration and he qualifies as an A type free agent, and the DRays sign him, we get two sandwich picks, because teams with a top 15 pick can't lose it. A team with a pick from 16-30 CAN lose their first round pick, and that was one of the reasons so many teams that were hoping to contend, and at the very least be mediocre, were afraid of signing Chuck Finley last year. That and the fact that he's like 50 and he had legal troubles(and if I wanted to be really mean, I could say that he got his ass beat by his wife, but I won't hold that against him. He did the right thing by not hitting her) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 TQ, you're lurking, jump in. Did you get an invoice for 2004 yet? I didn't. I'm going down there on Sat. morning to get a seat, the damn things should be just like new, no one ever sat in them anyways! On Gordon, I'm not sure he's arbitration eligible, but could be wrong. He's being heavily recruited by Pinella and he lives in the Tampa area. Buh bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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