Texsox Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 The gray area we get into is someone could consciously object to killing a peasant 2,000 miles from our shores because our government is unhappy with that governments idealogy but would not object to killing an enemy in the Port of New York. Look at this from another prospective. A number of years ago Chicago had a horrific month where four innocent kids were murdered in random shootings on their way to or from school. If China decided that those kid's human rights were being violated and decided to commit Troops to Illinois to make sure those kids made it safely to school what would our reaction been? What if Russia decided our elections were wrong because the people in Florida could either mark a ballot properly or couldn't count a ballot properly and came in to create a new government and supervise an orderly transition of power? We have half the world begging for us to help them and the other half thinking we are ass holes for doing it. We think we have a monopoly on morals and intelligence. When all the murders stop in the US, I'll start worrying about the murders in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 PA, it's too easy, at my age, to say I would fight any fight my government decides is right. By the time we get to needing fat 40 year olds we're screwed man. But I can say I would object to certain perceived enemies and goto option B, whatever that is. Our country is strong because individuals have stood up the government and said what is happening is wrong. I don't believe in fleeing and could almost agree with a one way door. I would not execute them when they returned. I find it amusing that some people will criticize anyone for excercising their free speech against the military by stating the military died for that right. Yeah, they died for my right to free speech and they wouldn't want me using it? Someone has to stand up and question our military. It keeps us from blindly following a Hitler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 The United States has killed more people in war than any other civilization in history. We are a lean mean killin' machine. Just out of curiosity, do you know this to be a fact. I can't believe that this is true, unless you also figure in English civilization before 1776. I would have thought the Germans, even if you don't include the Holocaust as a true "war" death toll. 1,000,000+ Russians died in WW II at German hands. I'm sure we're up there, but can't imagine #1. Also, would Civil War deaths count, as we were killing our own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Tex, did you write that? cos that was rather intelligent:) are you sure you're a texan? obviously not an aggie! Anyway, I wasn't saying that I'm in favor of capital punishment for those who dodge the draft and come back, I'm just saying my friends have advanced warning. If I go off to fight and they chose to skip town, I'm going to shoot them if they come back. I don't respect people who can't step up to their responsibilities. And the important part is that was ALL question whether our government is doing their job, in that same breath you should be able to step up and serve our country in time of need....whether that's serving the military, serving in some domestic program, or whatever. Just don't leave...cos you're not welcome back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 28, 2003 Author Share Posted November 28, 2003 son, please... in the event of a non-volunteer draft, such as in the case of Vietnam, the government now has provisions for those who believe war is wrong. If you disagree with that then...nevermind. Why on earth would you join the military if you believe war is wrong? What is the purpose for a military in the first place. There are other national service options out there if you dont have the stomach for war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Why on earth would you join the military if you believe war is wrong? What is the purpose for a military in the first place. There are other national service options out there if you dont have the stomach for war. Apu, I feel your pain... nuke, I'm not talking about volunteers. I'm talking about the forced draft. you can object and file for an exemption for a number of reasons, cos there are some people who don't like war. we're not talking about the standing army. *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 28, 2003 Author Share Posted November 28, 2003 Apu, I feel your pain... nuke, I'm not talking about volunteers. I'm talking about the forced draft. you can object and file for an exemption for a number of reasons, cos there are some people who don't like war. we're not talking about the standing army. *sigh* Well, we havent had a draft in 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Holy cow... a thread where people disagree, and finally there's nobody using childish namecalling and poking people in the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Holy cow... a thread where people disagree, and finally there's nobody using childish namecalling and poking people in the eye. Shut the f*** up idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Shut the f*** up idiot b****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 as long as no one makes dirty comments about miss sox4life, I'm ok with everyone here:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 b****! Yeah your mom brought it last night... (that's more like it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Yeah your mom brought it last night... (that's more like it) Um....that wasn't my mom. It was Miss Sox4life. I should know. I got seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Um....that wasn't my mom. It was Miss Sox4life. I should know. I got seconds. Ah yes now we have come full circle and the insults are done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Ah yes now we have come full circle and the insults are done Full circles are the best type of circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Um....that wasn't my mom. It was Miss Sox4life. I should know. I got seconds. that was a meatball of a set up for you:) she said something about your nickname being "inch worm" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 that was a meatball of a set up for you:) she said something about your nickname being "inch worm" Really? She couldn't say anything at all while I was keeping her mouth full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Really? She couldn't say anything at all while I was keeping her mouth full. about that hoagie fetish... it's weird dude....reallllll weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 about that hoagie fetish... it's weird dude....reallllll weird. She seems to like mayo too. LOTS of mayo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 now you're just pushing it...haha wasn't this thread about draft dodging? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 now you're just pushing it...haha wasn't this thread about draft dodging? draft dodging is such a harsh word. I believe Dan Quayle liked to call it alternative unofficial service to his country. With all the WW2 veterans too old, for the most part, to run we are faced with the Vietnam generation. We will not find a lot of Nixons, Kennedeys, Carters, etc. in that group. By that I reference veterans with straightforward, honorable military service. We elect Presidents with Ivy League educations and from wealthy families. The exact formula to avoid getting your ass shot off 2,000 miles away helping to protect US business interests in some screwed up third world country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Do we want Nixons, Carters or Kennedy's in the white house?? how about Regan's son?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 29, 2003 Author Share Posted November 29, 2003 Do we want Nixons, Carters or Kennedy's in the white house?? how about Regan's son?? I'd rather have Ronald Reagan , alzheimers and all, in office than any one of the democratic field thats out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 As I recall he spent the war in Moscow of all places (the heart of the communist enemy) telling the soviets how much he hated America. Wow there was a great qualification to be president & we gave him 2 terms. Maybe it was his sex appeal that snared the female vote? My God, you act as if he burned an American flag on Red Square while chugging Soviet vodka. He was a poli sci student, and a Rhodes Scholar student - and he went as a student. There's nothing weird about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I missed a lot of this thread so let me say this. There's a difference between getting a deferment and going awol. People who defend Bush's going AWOL attack Gore for having a bodyguard in Vietnam. Well Gore honored his commitment, Bush didn't show up to Guard duty for a year... and still hasn't given the same answer as to why more than once. God, I'm defending Al Gore for Christ sakes... Al Gore! What's wrong with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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