Iguana Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I like it. we get rid of the jackass Rose and we get some defensive help in the paint. this is all about getting rid or Rose and gaining some definsive help...which has happened. AD will show the panzy curry how to actually use his size and not be a got-damn pussy. It also allows Crawford to go to his more natural position (whether he likes it or not), SG. he can score all he wants and doesnt have to worry about distributing. that will be Hiney's job now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Kirk Hinrich was another s*** move by Paxson. The sad thing is if Jamal had half of Hinrich's guts he'd be the best player on this damned team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 The sad thing is if Jamal had half of Hinrich's guts he'd be the best player on this damned team. Same goes for Hinrich and talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Same goes for Hinrich and talent. Pretty much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Rector Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Why not at least wait to see how the new Bulls perform on the court before judging this trade to be a colossal failure? Remember as GM, Paxon has a lot more info on these players than any of you do, so he may very well have gotten a lot more value for Rose than you guys think. Or is that a lot of you just get your jollies out of badmouthing the folks who are trying to bring you the best possible team that they can? Are your lives really that empty? Finally, Jalen Rose is a cancer and a definite liablilty for any team that he's on. Yet, some of you seem to think that Paxon is a moron because he did not get another team to give up a gem for our trash. Give the guy a break. He's only in his first year as GM. At least wait and see how his moves pan out first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 That is not what Toronto newspaper had to say about them, they were classified as both lazy and aloof . I think thats referring to Rose and marshall as guys who didn't bring it. It goes on to say the guys they are receiving are definate steps up in attitude and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Same goes for Hinrich and talent. I don't know what everyone is talking about Hinrich is a good player. He is a good passer, smart and can drive into the lane and distribute. He isn't near as quick as JC, but he's a hell of a lot better defensively and will develop into a similar shooter (JC is a great shooter). This deal is good because it gives the Bulls a much quicker team. It will be great if the Bulls can now ship Davis, who I think is more valuable then Rose, to another team in exchange for something else. Mavs need big men and you could see the Cavaliers get into some type of sweepstakes as well. It will be interesting to see, cause I still see one more deal happening. As far as Jeffries, he's way better then Baxter and Fizer is gonna replace Marshall. Marshall didn't have a great attitude although I liked him. Defensively he's just as soft as Fizer, except Fizer is a guy that I think can't be stopped defensively when he's on. He has so many moves. The Bulls get a lot tougher with this move, which is something they definately needed. Getting the jackasses out of here helps (Baxter wasn't an ass). Also, a little more on Hinrich, he is gonna be one of the top defensive point guards in this league. Mark my words on that. He will be a 12 and 8 guy all night long (12 ppg, 8 apg) and will shut down opposing pg's. Crawford will become a 20 + and 5 guy and then you have Chandler and Curry down low. Get someone like Jamison or Ricky Davis and then your really talking...but I don't know if thats gonna happen. Bulls will start playing team basketball and now Skiles has a set cast of guys to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Well we have been down the Ricky Davis road before, so I will aviod that one but now Antwan Jaimison is probably just a pipe dream for us. I can't see Dallas giving him up for a Davis. Jaimison is a big time scorer and rebounder. And as for Hinrich it was a panic pick trying to get a PG to fill JWills spot. There were many more good players they could have gotten. Hinrich has guts but only 20-25 in the draft talent, not lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 30, 2003 Author Share Posted November 30, 2003 I agree with everything Jason said. You hit it on the head Jason. I can't wait to see the game on Monday with a new coach and new players. I am expect better things now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Well we have been down the Ricky Davis road before, so I will aviod that one but now Antwan Jaimison is probably just a pipe dream for us. I can't see Dallas giving him up for a Davis. Jaimison is a big time scorer and rebounder. And as for Hinrich it was a panic pick trying to get a PG to fill JWills spot. There were many more good players they could have gotten. Hinrich has guts but only 20-25 in the draft talent, not lottery. I would of thought the Jamison deal as a pipe dream but the Mavs really want some inside presence and frankly Jamison doesn't play much. Watching the Mavs - Bulls game I noticed just how few minutes he really gets and I don't know how happy he will be staying there. I can't think of many teams interested in Jamison (Who is a good player) but at his price not many teams have a good defensive big men that has a great attitude that have salaries that can match and all that. I think Jamison would be an awesome acquisition. He seems like a not too selfish player, is solid defensively for a 3, and would really give the Bulls a great cast...the question is can they play as a team. That and they still keep two defensive big men in Jerome Williams and Chris Jefferies. Plus they have Fizer, Chandler, Curry, and Blount to go with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I agree with everything Jason said. You hit it on the head Jason. I can't wait to see the game on Monday with a new coach and new players. I am expect better things now. I'm with ya, can't wait till Monday's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I'm with ya, can't wait till Monday's game. It will be interesting to say the least. I will be curious to see if Eddy and Jamal pick up their play at all. Plus the impact of the new guys on the other players minutes. What will the starting line up even look like? PG Crawford SG Pippen SF Chandler PF Curry C Davis ????? Maybe Davis off of the bench with Hinrich starting at PG and everyone else sliding up a spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Chandler probably won't play for a while so I'm assuming Davis and Curry will start down low with Hinrich, Crawford and Pippen. Williams and Fizer will both get heavy minutes and I think Gill will play a lot off the bench. You'll probably see Roger Mason activated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 30, 2003 Author Share Posted November 30, 2003 Yeah, probably Mason activated and Jefferies placed on IR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Chandler probably won't play for a while so I'm assuming Davis and Curry will start down low with Hinrich, Crawford and Pippen. Williams and Fizer will both get heavy minutes and I think Gill will play a lot off the bench. You'll probably see Roger Mason activated. Is Tyson out again? He had played in their last two games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 On rotoworld.com it says that Tyson may sit out a few weeks to let his back heel now that we got Jerome and Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I think thats referring to Rose and marshall as guys who didn't bring it. It goes on to say the guys they are receiving are definate steps up in attitude and all that. Article I am talking about only talked about Raptor players no Bulls were mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Williams was definately a fan favorite but I'm afraid that makes people forget that he's no better than an average bench player, tons of energy short on skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I am a Pacers fan, so I really don't have a bias either way, and I have to say that this trade has me scratching my head from the Bulls standpoint. The Bulls should continue to build for the future. I think they have a couple of good building blocks up front with Curry and Chandler, but the guard talent is the weaknesses, so adding 2 30 year old PF's who are really only good at rebounding puzzles me. I am not a big Rose fan, but I do think the Bulls should have gotten more in return, especially since they gave up a solid player like Marshall as well. The one thing that this move does is give the Bulls a lot of solid front court players that they could trade to address their weakness at guard. I would really be questioning the direction that the Bulls are heading. ps...Thanks for Artest, Miller, and company in the Rose trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Article I am talking about only talked about Raptor players no Bulls were mentioned. Oops...ya got a link for it. For whatever reason I was reading the quote and thought you were quoting the article, but it was actually Mario's writing. My bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Well here r my thoughts on da trade, and I think da Bulls really got screwed on this 1. Antonio Davis has really gone downhill in da last 2 years and he'll only come off da bench behind Curry and Chandler, but Williams will provide some hustle off da bench. Jeffries is just a filler, but I really would hav hoped for Mo Pete instead of Williams to replace Rose and provide some scorin, he's only young as well. Giving up Rose, Marshall and Baxter was WAY too much for just those 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Oops...ya got a link for it. For whatever reason I was reading the quote and thought you were quoting the article, but it was actually Mario's writing. My bad No sorry I do not have link, I came across it in the Toronto paper on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 No sorry I do not have link, I came across it in the Toronto paper on Wednesday. of course not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Found this bit on SN.com The Bulls will save some cash in the deal that sent SG Jalen Rose, PF Donyell Marshall and PF Lonny Baxter to the Raptors for F/C Antonio Davis, PF Jerome Williams and SF Chris Jefferies. Davis' contract (which pays slightly less money per year than Rose's) runs out in 2006, but Rose's goes through 2007 and will pay him $17 million that year. The purpose of the trade was not financial, though; it was to be rid of Rose and improve the defense, and the Bulls accomplished those goals. Where Chicago misses out is on Marshall, who signed a three-year deal for the midlevel exception (about $14 million altogether) last summer and has been one of the best bargains in the league. Marshall can rebound, score and defend, which is precisely why the Raptors would not agree to the deal unless Marshall was included. The trade also presents a quandary for new Bulls coach Scott Skiles, who must find minutes for Williams and Davis while still developing young C Eddy Curry and PF Tyson Chan dler. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 The deal is now "official". I guess the NBA doesn't believe in working weekends. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-r...ov=ap&type=lgns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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