Pastime Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I kid you not - I was playing "The Wall - Live" before I even read this thread. I agree - unless Gilmore and Waters are together - it isn't pure Pink Floyd. "I have become - comfortably numb." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Ya, Eric Clapton is awesome. Crossroads is great too so is White Room. Clapton also played guitar on a few beatles songs if I recall, could be wrong. George's "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" is the only official Beatle release with EC on it. George and Eric also co-wrote the Cream song "Badge" together. The name of the song came about because Eric couldn't read George's handwriting on the music and thought the BRIDGE section of the song said "badge." Around the same time, of course, Eric was shtuping George's soon-to-be ex-wife Patti and Writing "Layla" etc., for her, which brings us to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Dude, now your talking about my kind of music. Yardbirds, Cream, Derek and the Dominoes, solo s***....... Clapton IS god. Of his work: Layla and Sunshine of your love are probably two of my favorite songs. ... "Layla," from the Derek and the Dominoes album. It was actually co-written by DD drumer Jim Gordon, who wrote the beautiful outro piano section at the end. Gordon was a top notch session drummer who worked with Lennon, George Harrison, the Byrds, Zappa, Traffic, and lots of other groups. He also suffered from paranoid schizophrenia, which combined with heroin and cocaine use led him to Punch Rita Coolidge once in the 70s. He was pretty much finished up as a drummer by 1980, but his mental state had deterioriated to the point where he was hearing voices in his head. His mother's voice being the most persistent, he brutally killed her in an effort to make it stop, which reportedly he did. He was sentenced to 16 years to life, and I'm not sure if he hasbeen released or not. I figure this will be the premiere episode if VH-1 ever considers my idea for a series called "The Murder Behind the Music." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASHWOUND Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Discuss. I'm a huge classic rock fan and Zep is my fav of all the classic bands...have all their albums..including the soundtrack from "The Song Remains the Same" I love that album..Alson have albums from Cream...Pink Floyd...The Doors... I have a cool poster of Zep also with Page playing his double wide Gibson EDS.. Although in all these top rock bands ever I can't stand that the Stones are always ahead of them on these type of lists.. They prob pick them cause of their longitivty...but in my opinion Zep made a hell of alot of better rock songs than the Stones even though the Stones have been around since the resurrection of Christ.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Although in all these top rock bands ever I can't stand that the Stones are always ahead of them on these type of lists.. Yeah, seriously, what's up with THAT? I really like Stones, but not THAT much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I'm a huge classic rock fan and Zep is my fav of all the classic bands...have all their albums..including the soundtrack from "The Song Remains the Same" I love that album..Alson have albums from Cream...Pink Floyd...The Doors... I have a cool poster of Zep also with Page playing his double wide Gibson EDS.. Although in all these top rock bands ever I can't stand that the Stones are always ahead of them on these type of lists.. They prob pick them cause of their longitivty...but in my opinion Zep made a hell of alot of better rock songs than the Stones even though the Stones have been around since the resurrection of Christ.. Hasn't Led Zeppelin been nailed numerous times for stealing old Blues songs, and not crediting the proper writers? I thought I heard somewhere that they have paid millions over the years to blues artists for vanilla ice-ing their s***, and not paying them any royalties. If this is true, then they suck, but if it's wild speculation, then they're one of the greatest bands ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Hasn't Led Zeppelin been nailed numerous times for stealing old Blues songs, and not crediting the proper writers? I thought I heard somewhere that they have paid millions over the years to blues artists for vanilla ice-ing their s***, and not paying them any royalties. If this is true, then they suck, but if it's wild speculation, then they're one of the greatest bands ever. I don't know any lawsuit specifics, but the earlier blues-based Led Zeppelin certainly did include a lot of credited American blues covers and also LOTS of uncredited lifting of recognizable blues lines. I think it is no different that what blues musicians have always done with the work of other blues musicians - the only difference being that nobody on the old juke joint circuits had any money so siung each other was pointless. Led Zeppelin made some money, and would of course be a more lucrative target for a lawsuit. Unfairly, though, what is lost here is that it was the young blues cats in England that pretty much single-handedly kept the style alive when nobody in the States cared one bit for it. This allowed American blues names to do successful British and European tours when many of them might have otherwise died penniless of alcoholism or drug abuse in the states. The Stones, John Mayhall's Bluesbreakers, the Yardbirds, Butterfield Blues Band, Cream, Ten Years After, Led Zeppelin, etc., were the groups that made the blues cool again, and their rocked out, sometimes psychedelic revamping of the style was mutually beneficial to Blues artists and fans on both sides of the Atlantic. It would be hard to realistically argue what monetary damages the band did to the estates of Blind Lemon Jefferson or Robert Johnson by swiping licks and lyrics. On the other hand it's easy to see that classic delta blues would not havve survied to nearly the degree it did had the English blues cats like Jimmy Page coopted it and made it their own, thereby rekindling interest in the old players and recordings back here as well. As for my personal take on Zeppelin... They were great, but also flawed gems, certainly not perfect. Their best stuff emerged when they stuck with what they did best - infuse electric blues with dark mysticism, a little raw sexuality, experimentatiion, and world-class song arranging and production skills (their real strengths imo). Their worst stuff emerged when they became a caricature of themselves, notable on about half of Physical Graffiti (could have been a great single album) and about 2/3 of Presence with the overused power cords and general cock rock sameness that crept into everything. A lot of people don't like the reggae influences and overdone mysticism on Houses of the Holy, but I can live with it. I always loved the Tolkein references both overt and obscure peppered throughout their catalog. The worst aspect of led Zeppelin was the scores of insipid, completely usless and creatively barren copucat hard rock/metal bands that they spawned, none of whom had the chops or creativity of Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 I always loved the Tolkein references both overt and obscure peppered throughout their catalog. You mean the Tolkien? Elaborate please. The worst aspect of led Zeppelin was the scores of insipid, completely usless and creatively barren copucat hard rock/metal bands that they spawned, none of whom had the chops or creativity of Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham. Whicxh ones did you have in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Can we all agree that rock music in the 80-90-00s CAN'T TOUCH 60's-70s? Nope, we can't all agree on that. The best music of the 80s, 90s and beyond can rival the best of that era. The worst of the 60s and 70s can rival the worst music ever made. Point being, every era has had great music and horrible music, and it's all in the eyes ( or more accurately, the ears ) of the beholder. I VERY MUCH prefer the music of the 80s and 90s to the earlier era, and I AM old enough to remember both, unfortunately... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 You mean the Tolkien? Elaborate please. . Whicxh ones did you have in mind? Some of the overt refs include Misty Mountain Hop, Over the Hills and Far Away, and The Battle of Evermore. Ramble On has a verse specifically detailing "T'was in the darkest depth of Mordor I met a girl so fair, But Gollum, the evil one crept up and slipped away with her." Some of the more obscure references include Robert Plant's frequent shouting hd "Strider" at the end of live performances of Bron-Y-Aur Stomp (Plan't dog was also named Strider - he was a big Rings fan). Lines like "To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed" (Kashmir). Even the tarot deck illustration of "The Hermit" from Zeppelin IV is distinctly Gandalf-esque. Some other posters may have some more to add, that's all I can think of off the top of me head. As for bad hard rock/metal that would not have existed if not for Zep, I'd include Whitesnake, Great White, and AC/DC at the top of a long list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Over the Hills is one of my personal favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 I like the obscure stuff: Kashmir, R&R, Black Dog, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 The best music of the 80s, 90s and beyond can rival the best of that era Best of, you say? Examples please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Best of, you say? Examples please. Wouldn't that argument just go around and around in a circle? Wouldn't any mention of a great hard rock band from the 80's and 90's be met with, "but Zeppelin did it first, so-and-so wouldn't even be here if it weren't for LZ." I agree with him though. I'd take Master of Puppets, 1984, Gish, Ten, and many others over most anything LZ did. Maybe that's solely a product of having LZ bashed into my head since birth on any rock/classic rock radio station, or maybe it's that their whole mystic shtick gets old for me. I think LZ was great, and they unarguably led the way for thousands of bands since, but their are plenty of bands from the 80's and 90's that I would much rather listen to--and that's regardless of the inevitable truth that most of them were influenced by LZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Best of, you say? Examples please. Nahhh, I don't feel the need to list examples. That invitation is usually just a bait to find something to mock (which everyone has in their musical taste, by the way )... What I feel is great may be garbage to other people. That's the beauty of music - no other form of media is held as close to the heart as music is. On the topic of Led Zeppelin, it's a little like the Beatles discussion on the board - there's no denying the effect and influence they've had, but at the same time, I personally could do without the cliche "Get The Led Out" segments on rock radio and I really don't ever want to hear Stairway To Heaven ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 . Nahhh, I don't feel the need to list examples. That invitation is usually just a bait to find something to mock (which everyone has in their musical taste, by the way )... What I feel is great may be garbage to other people. That's the beauty of music - no other form of media is held as close to the heart as music is. Bastard! Queen'sRyche? What? On the topic of Led Zeppelin, it's a little like the Beatles discussion on the board - there's no denying the effect and influence they've had, but at the same time, I personally could do without the cliche "Get The Led Out" segments on rock radio and I really don't ever want to hear Stairway To Heaven ever again. See, I wasn't raised on Zeppelin, not even close. But, more importantly, I NEVER listen to rock- or ANY other stations for that matter. I have my CDs, thankyouverymuch, and I NEVER play something to death. I suggest people try it, it does wonders for keeping things fresh. Hell, before I started this thread, I hadn't heard a Zep song in its entirety in probably 2 years-- bear in mind I only heard of them 5 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 But, more importantly, I NEVER listen to rock- or ANY other stations for that matter. I have my CDs, thankyouverymuch, and I NEVER play something to death. I suggest people try it, it does wonders for keeping things fresh. Hell, before I started this thread, I hadn't heard a Zep song in its entirety in probably 2 years-- bear in mind I only heard of them 5 years or so. I too, have taken the radio-less route, listening only to R&B stations, because that music I like some of, but not enough to buy usually. Are you saying you only heard of Led Zeppelin 5 years ago? How old are you? Are you from this country originally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 I too, have taken the radio-less route, listening only to R&B stations, because that music I like some of, but not enough to buy usually. I don't get my music from lame radio DJs, PERIOD. I drive the car in total silence when not fooling around with my friends. Are you saying you only heard of Led Zeppelin 5 years ago? Yep. I actually heard the (bastardized) name be thrown around by older kids since I was a kid, but that's not "knowing" them, is it? How old are you? 21 Are you from this country originally? No, I am here since 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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