Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Read a few places that he's getting shopped around cause the Twins can't afford him and they'd rather give Shannon Stewart or someone else the money he's expected to get. If somehow he gest out on the market what does everyone think of the Sox moving Lee adn replacing him with Jones. That way you can add value for cheap with Lee and then get his replacement and sign him long term at an affordable rate in jacque Jones. This probably isn't realistic, but I figured I'd throw it out there. Either way, the point this year is gonna be that there are gonna be a ton of GOOD players out there so the team that can give themselves the most money to be creative via trades and everything else is gonna be the one that wins the AL Central. KW's first moves have to be moving Konerko/Koch/magglio/Jose/Lee or at least some of those guys that way he can get what this team will need to go deep, which is pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I would certainly like to see Jones here, I know Stewart revitalized their season but I still think Jones is a betta playa than Shannon, but not at the expense of Carlos Lee. And it's got to be financially viable as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Barring some miracle, or some really strong dope stuck in the Twins' GM's beverage of choice, we can forget ANY trade between the Sox and Twins. The only way that could happen is if it's a multi-team deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I've also read that the Marlins might non-tender Juan Encarnacion, another outfield possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Encarnacion is a guy with HUGE upside, and great tools. However, his desire, heart, and work ethic have been questioned for the better part of the last 7 years. He's a "risk" player, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Encarnacion is a guy with HUGE upside, and great tools. However, his desire, heart, and work ethic have been questioned for the better part of the last 7 years. He's a "risk" player, IMO. Well if anyone could light a fire under his ass it would be Ozzie, and he already knows him from Florida, perhaps Ozzie will drop a hint to KW that he is someone who could be a grinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I don't want to sound ignorant or stupid, because I'm neither, but what the hell is a "grinder" exactly? Is that a Kirk Gibson type, who hustles his ass off, busts his tail, gives 110%, and leaves his heart and soul on the field during each game? If it is, then good luck to Kenny in trying to find those kind of players. Yes, they do exist, but they are rare, and few and far between. Baseball is now dominated by primadonnas, crybabies, sissies, wimps, and players who don't give a s*** about anything but collecting their overpaid paychecks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I don't want to sound ignorant or stupid, because I'm neither, but what the hell is a "grinder" exactly? Is that a Kirk Gibson type, who hustles his ass off, busts his tail, gives 110%, and leaves his heart and soul on the field during each game? If it is, then good luck to Kenny in trying to find those kind of players. Yes, they do exist, but they are rare, and few and far between. Baseball is now dominated by primadonnas, crybabies, sissies, wimps, and players who don't give a s*** about anything but collecting their overpaid paychecks. Basically that's his definition of grinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Crap. Once again, good luck to Kenny in finding his "grinders." Kenny would have been a kickass GM about 20-30 years ago. However, I don't know how he will fare in today's major league baseball. Once again - CRAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Encarnacion is a guy with HUGE upside, and great tools. However, his desire, heart, and work ethic have been questioned for the better part of the last 7 years. He's a "risk" player, IMO. Any word on how much Encarcion made this year and what he's lookin for? Only an option if one of Maggs or Lee goes, but I'd rather hav Jones instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Why not Jones for CF? That is where he played until Torii came along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I've also read that the Marlins might non-tender Juan Encarnacion, another outfield possibility. just say to no to: Weaver Fick Encarnacion any other major league do-nothing jerk out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Basically that's his definition of grinder. I think "grinder" is Kenny-speak for low-salary, limited-talent, hustlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elcaballo45 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I would certainly like to see Jones here, I know Stewart revitalized their season but I still think Jones is a betta playa than Shannon, but not at the expense of Carlos Lee. And it's got to be financially viable as well. yes yes... certainly not at the expense of Lee.... I dont want to have to cry for 3 weeks and then turn into a cub fan.... I'd rather kill myself than become a cub fan!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Any word on how much Encarcion made this year and what he's lookin for? Only an option if one of Maggs or Lee goes, but I'd rather hav Jones instead. Encarnacion made $3.45 million last year and is arbitration eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 just say to no to: Weaver Fick Encarnacion any other major league do-nothing jerk out there I disagree with putting Encarnacion in the same company as Weaver and Fick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Either way, the point this year is gonna be that there are gonna be a ton of GOOD players out there The best thing the owner's could do for the game is to cut loose every player that is arbitration eligible. Release them all! Of course this will never happen, but theoretically it would be a big way of reducing salaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I think "grinder" is Kenny-speak for low-salary, limited-talent, hustlers. SO that's what he meant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 It wouldn't be a bad thing to see an outfield of Jones, Reed, Encarnacion. Its not near the production we've had in the past, but its great defensively and would give the Sox a completely different look. Its realistic and Lee and Ordonez could help you land some other playes and quite frankly you could get Jones and Encarnacion locked up for about 8-10 mill between the two of them and then Reed and well you go from an outfield that would cost around 21 mill (Not counting Everett) to 10 at the most. Jones and Encarnacion are both solid, talented, all around players that still have room for their game to grow and Reed is very talented too. Throw in a vet and Rowand as the backups and I like that outfield a lot. It will also allow the Sox to use Lee and Magglio to get other pieces (Most likely cheap pieces..but talented ones as well). Maybe deal Magglio to Baltimore and then Lee to Seattle or somewhere else; Lee should have very good value. Next try to get the Dodgers to take Konerko and pay a little and work on the Mets deal with Koch. Lee or Konerko will get you the pitchers and a shortstop (Jose probably goes in one of those deals as well) and then the Sox free up money to sign a 2nd baseman or shortstop (depending on what they get in return) as well as money to get Colon. You have 5 strong pitchers, money left over to add relievers and role players and this is now a team that is very young, strong fundementally, and most of the players are signed long term so you don't have to worry about constantly having to shake things up because of payroll constraints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Jason, I don't think there is any way that Mags, Carlos, Konerko, Koch and Valentin will all be moved. Nor do I think they should. One or two of them, perhaps. Three possibly if it is Koch, Konerko and Valentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Jason, I don't think there is any way that Mags, Carlos, Konerko, Koch and Valentin will all be moved. Nor do I think they should. One or two of them, perhaps. Three possibly if it is Koch, Konerko and Valentin. The biggest reason I'd probably fail as the GM of the Sox is I'd want to give the team a total make-over when it comes to position players and thats a lot harder to do then I make it out to be. I still think the best thing to do is to do everything you can to move players that are overpaid compared to their production. If you can get a player that puts up similar numbers for a few mill less and excells in some areas the current player doesn't, then go for it, because frankly, the money should be spent on pitching. You don't necessarily have to have big bucks invested in pitching, but to win it all you NEED good pitching, I'm convinced of that. And its probably unlikely that Jones gets non-tendered, they should be able to get something for him and I don't see them dealing with the Sox. But there are gonna be a ton of those type of guys on the market after all the non tendering occurs and I want the Sox in a position where they could go after them. I could give a damn whose on offense cause this team needs to be changed and if it means cutting the amount spent on position players to bring back Colon and get in a good 5th and to add some relievers, then so be it as far as I'm concerned. I'm old school though...gimme pitching and defense and good fundementals and I'll be happy. The Dodgers didn't suceed with that philosphy but I'd say more often then not a team would of. The Dodgers just had nothing. Their offensive players were atrocious fundementally when it came to doing the little things at the plate and running the bases, moving guys over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Grinder: Aaron Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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