cwsox Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 just saying.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Whats the AAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Whats the AAC? a typo is what it is, fixed, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 a typo is what it is, fixed, thanks! I know, just giving you a hard time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 wah wah homecourt advantage not fair nc state beat themselves those goddamn refs and tommy amaker wore a collared shirt not fair! good to see at least one team in the big 10 can play, i was beginning to doubt this superconference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 no prob -- I was going to post before, but I will say it now - I am not predicting any Big 10 titles or final 4s but Michigan has a far better basketball team than many suspect - it will finish top half of the Big 10. This is not local fan talking big. Amaker has turned that program around, is a better coach than we dared believe, and has recruited well. It may be another year or two before we can talk big but we can say, we are better than most think we will be. We are on the way back. On the way, as in not there yet, but getting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 tommy amaker wore a collared shirt not fair! wait until he wears his tank top! That might be getting saved for MSU though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Michigan played defense last night for the first time in I don't know how many years. You can really see the Amaker/Big East influence rising in this squad. They are going to make some noise and upset some people this year. If the lack of depth can be hidden well, this is a tourney type team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 God damn ACC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 no prob -- I was going to post before, but I will say it now - I am not predicting any Big 10 titles or final 4s but Michigan has a far better basketball team than many suspect - it will finish top half of the Big 10. This is not local fan talking big. Amaker has turned that program around, is a better coach than we dared believe, and has recruited well. It may be another year or two before we can talk big but we can say, we are better than most think we will be. We are on the way back. On the way, as in not there yet, but getting there. With Horton, Abrams, and Robinson, and now Harris too Michigan is looking like a very good team. After the giant steps they made last season, I will be disappointed if they don't make the NCAA's. Last time I thought Michigan was going to ride to the tournament, Michigan was 12-6 and barely lost to a Duke team that had Battier, Williams, and Dunleavy. Then the NCAA suspended Crawford, and I think Michigan went 4-8 from then on (needless to say, they didn't make it to the tourney). After watching last nights game, I sorely miss Blanchard. He was a good leader and was decent on the boards. Even without him, Michigan is a strong team, and I expect 15-20 wins, a couple Big Ten Tourney wins, and a trip to the NCAA Tournament for the first time since Traylor, and Taylor wore Michigan Jerseys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 After watching last nights game, I sorely miss Blanchard. He was a good leader and was decent on the boards. Even without him, Michigan is a strong team, and I expect 15-20 wins, a couple Big Ten Tourney wins, and a trip to the NCAA Tournament for the first time since Traylor, and Taylor wore Michigan Jerseys. Sorry, but Michigan has no business being eligible for postseason play this year. After the violations that their program committed the NCAA just allowing them to keep their 1 year self imposed ban and the loss of one scholarship, again self imposed is bulls***. Hell, if thats all you need to do why not just go ahead and cheat to win, then you could just put yourself on a one year probation and be fine again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Sorry, but Michigan has no business being eligible for postseason play this year. After the violations that their program committed the NCAA just allowing them to keep their 1 year self imposed ban and the loss of one scholarship, again self imposed is bulls***. Hell, if thats all you need to do why not just go ahead and cheat to win, then you could just put yourself on a one year probation and be fine again. the penalities were a lot more than that - ignorance or omission of the full nature of penalities, doesn't matter, you are factually wrong. and no M fan is arguing that the program was not out of control and that the NCAA penalties were not deserved - it is regrettable to say the least that what happened happened and it has cost the school a lot. In fact last season I took my grandson in Crysler, showed him where the banners once were, explained why they were gone, and we had a good discussion about ethics and cheating and right and wrong. Wrong was done in our program. Cannot change that. Michigan responded. The NCAA responded. That is how it needed to be for something that should never have happened. That the NCAA has said we are eligible again for post-season was a pleasant surprise. M fans would not have b****ed had it gone the other way. Happy it came down this way. The only unhappy people are those who have always, tiresomely, whined against Michigan - people who cannot beat us on the field, on the court, on the ice, and far and away most importantly, in the classroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Sorry, but Michigan has no business being eligible for postseason play this year. After the violations that their program committed the NCAA just allowing them to keep their 1 year self imposed ban and the loss of one scholarship, again self imposed is bulls***. Hell, if thats all you need to do why not just go ahead and cheat to win, then you could just put yourself on a one year probation and be fine again. B.S. Michigan took a heavy penalty, and don't forget, Michigan didn't go out and "buy" players to win. The man who got players to go to the program, did not work for michigan and it doesn't appear that he was tied to michigan in anyway (other than being a fan). Michigan has to do a better job of keeping people like that away from their players, but this was hardly the worst example violations that has occurred in NCAA history. 1 season, and losing 2 final four appearances, as well as losing everything one of the best teams in UM basketball history accomplished in 2 years is harsh enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 The Big Ten is winning that damn challenge next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted December 4, 2003 Author Share Posted December 4, 2003 B.S. Michigan took a heavy penalty, and don't forget, Michigan didn't go out and "buy" players to win. The man who got players to go to the program, did not work for michigan and it doesn't appear that he was tied to michigan in anyway (other than being a fan). Michigan has to do a better job of keeping people like that away from their players, but this was hardly the worst example violations that has occurred in NCAA history. 1 season, and losing 2 final four appearances, as well as losing everything one of the best teams in UM basketball history accomplished in 2 years is harsh enough. I am not sure if Michigan will actually go ahead and sue Webber for the ton of money Michigan paid in forfeited NCAA fees back to the NCAA, but I wish they would. Webber got so lucky when Martin died before he could testify in court as to the pay-offs. I vividly remember in the season following Fischer's firing, when Ellerbee was interim, and Michigan went n to win the 1st ever Big 10 tourney, how much pressure the media was playing on Michigan to make Ellerbee a permanent hire rather than interim because after all he won the Big 10 title. And I kept screaming at the tv, "but we have no idea if he can run the program!" And the media pressure was intense, the word "interim" was removed from Ellerbee's title, and we look back and see what happened... which is exaclty how we got Fischer to begin win - because he won before we knew if could run the program. Both flukes, and both costly mistakes. When winning becomes more important than a clean program, trouble will follow. We paid the price we should have paid for a program out of control - and it never should have been allowed to happen. That is why to me Coach K is someone that I always repect because he wins and runs a clean program. I think we are blessed with a coach at Michigan who can do that. And we need that - because we look MSU - now they got the real deal with Izzo, he is another Coach K type in that the MSU program under Izzo will never be out of control and they will win because they have a super quality coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I am not sure if Michigan will actually go ahead and sue Webber for the ton of money Michigan paid in forfeited NCAA fees back to the NCAA, but I wish they would. Webber got so lucky when Martin died before he could testify in court as to the pay-offs. I vividly remember in the season following Fischer's firing, when Ellerbee was interim, and Michigan went n to win the 1st ever Big 10 tourney, how much pressure the media was playing on Michigan to make Ellerbee a permanent hire rather than interim because after all he won the Big 10 title. And I kept screaming at the tv, "but we have no idea if he can run the program!" And the media pressure was intense, the word "interim" was removed from Ellerbee's title, and we look back and see what happened... which is exaclty how we got Fischer to begin win - because he won before we knew if could run the program. Both flukes, and both costly mistakes. When winning becomes more important than a clean program, trouble will follow. We paid the price we should have paid for a program out of control - and it never should have been allowed to happen. That is why to me Coach K is someone that I always repect because he wins and runs a clean program. I think we are blessed with a coach at Michigan who can do that. And we need that - because we look MSU - now they got the real deal with Izzo, he is another Coach K type in that the MSU program under Izzo will never be out of control and they will win because they have a super quality coach. Both Fischer and Ellerbee failed to keep control of the program off the court, but at least Fischer could coach unlike Ellerbee, who in my opinion couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. Last week I read "Bo", Bo's autobiography, and in the book there is a chapter about Michigan basketball. The book was written right after Michigan won in 89 with Rice's free throw, and there is a quote from Fischer after he recieved the head coaching job. Fischer told Bo, "Hey Bo, I'm gonna run the kind of program we both want". Bo talks repeatedly in the book about the importance of running a clean program. I can't imagine how disappointed Bo must have been when a part of Michigan history was erased because it turned out Fischer couldn't run a clean program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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