103 mph screwball Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 I want to keep Magglio. However, If the Sox are going to have to trade him, I'd much rather get Soriano from the Yankees than Gibbons from Baltimore or Garcia from the Mariners. I realize the yankess are working on a deal with Sheffield but the deal is not final. I've also read rumors that Sheff is trying to add years to his contract and putting a snag in negotiations (rumor from WSI). Regardless, it is not a done deal yet. What if the Sox were to (deep breath) trade Magglio and either Wunch, Wright, or to be determined pitcher for Soriano, Weaver, and a top secret gentleman's agreement to back off Colon. Magglio would cost the Yankees a couple of million more than Sheff, but the Yankees probably would love to get rid of Weaver and his contract. The money they save from Magglio instead of Sheffield + Weaver could go towards Pettite and or adding Millwood. Sox get a very over priced 5th starter who would be risky but pay off big if he were to straighten himself out away from the New York limelight. (or Weaver could be 3-way traded or packaged for Garcia?) I love the idea of having Soriano playing second base and batting 5th behind Lee and Thomas. Soriano would also add speed without giving up power, fills a position of need, has enough "star power" to soften the attendance blow of losing Magglio, and I think is signed beyond 2004 at an affordable salary. Reed, Rowand, or inexpensive veteran would take RF. If the Yankees were to concentrate on Millwood, Pettie, and or Vasquez trade instead of Colon it would help our chances of getting him back. Sox end up with Soriano, Weaver, ?about 6-7 million in salary savings, ?Colon yankess end up with Magglo, a pitcher from the Sox, and a net salary savings to use for free agent pitchers such as Millwood/Pettite/Ponson. That's my wishful thinking for today. Thank you to everyone responsible for this site and it's posts. I may not post very often but I visit Soxtalk daily and enjoy everyone's knowledge, passion, and ideas. 103 mph Screwball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 all i gotta say is i do not want Weaver EVER on the White Sox. The guy has made it publicly known that he HATES both Reinsdorf AND the White Sox. Trading for a guy who feels like that towards your team would be just plain stupid. Its not that Weaver isnt good, cuz i think he could excel out of New York, its just the Sox can not trade for him. Why would anyone want someone who HATES the team? That can not be good for a clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 all i gotta say is i do not want Weaver EVER on the White Sox. The guy has made it publicly known that he HATES both Reinsdorf AND the White Sox. Trading for a guy who feels like that towards your team would be just plain stupid. Its not that Weaver isnt good, cuz i think he could excel out of New York, its just the Sox can not trade for him. Why would anyone want someone who HATES the team? That can not be good for a clubhouse. It doesn't matter. The Yankees know he sucks, and since he has no trade clause in his contract, it is a very likely thing to happen if this trade were to go through. But I also think you all wouldn't want a sub par pitcher worth 15.50 million for the next two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Screwball I don't think thats a bad idea, but I'd prefer to keep Weaver out of the deal. If the Yanks hit a snag with Sheff, then they will still be more then willing to add the payroll without giving it up. The Dodgers want Weaver and Soriano or Johnson (Supposedly Yanks are offering Johnson..Dodgers want Soriano and the Yanks to pay part of Weavers salary). Lets say the Sox, Dodgers and Yanks get in a 3 way deal. Sox deal Magglio and Jose, Yanks deal Weaver, Johnson, Soriano and a prospect or two. Sox recieve: Soriano and Perez Dodgers recieve: Weaver, Johnson, Jose, Prospect (Yanks pay part of Weaver's salary) Yankees receive: Brown and Magglio Ordonez Sox are happy because they unload salary, take on a little salary and fill two areas of need (pitching and middle infield). Dodgers are happy cause they add bats and get rid of Browns monster contract, allowing them to reup with Gagne and add a bat or two via fa, plus they get a good young bat and a power hitting 2nd baseman/ss in Jose who will be off the books in a year. They also recieve a prospect and get Weaver at a discounted rate. Yankees are happy cause they get their bat and get their arm. They do it while giving up two areas they liked, but they were planning on unloading at least one of SOriano and Johnson and now they moved two for two all stars. Seems like a legit possibility, considering all teams have at one point or another been rumored, but no talk of a 3 way has ever been mentioned. Should add...Dodgers save like 1-2 mill in cash..maybe more, Sox save roughly 14 mill (Lose Jose and Maggs...add Perez and Soriano). Yanks add payroll...lots of it, but when has that ever bothered them, and with what the BoSox have been doing, they are gonna be very motivated to make a major splash and this would be that. Another side benefit of this deal is the Sox now have payroll relief to bring back Colon and the Yanks may not want Colon now that they have Kevin Brown. They probably look to re-upping with Pettite, maybe add a position player like Roberto Alomar Jr...been rumored and call it an offseason. The Sox now have: Leadoff Hitter Soriano - 2nd/cf Thomas Lee Konerko Crede Reed/Rowand/Harris Uribe But they have money to do a few more things and maybe now the Sox look to move Lee or Konerko for a left handed bat that has a decent size contract or something like that. Who knows..but it gives them a solid foundation. Rotation (Assuming they now sign Colon and even after that they still save a few mill. We know he takes 12 mill a year if its guaranteed, but I'd try to get him at 10 mill a year guaranteed, up front). Thats 4 mill off the books and the Sox get Perez, Soriano and Colon...pretty damn good. Colon Buehrle Loaiza Garland Perez Two lefties, three righties. Colon, Loiaza and Perez are strike out pitchers, Garland and Buerhle aren't. I definately like this move...a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Chisoxfn, I love that trade idea. That's what I'm talking about. I want value and improvement in the team if Magglio must go. I can't see why the Dodgers, Yanks, or Sox would not at least seriously consider that deal. I wish there was a hotline to call Kenny Williams and suggest this. Seriously, I'd love to get this idea in the newspapers or Gammon's report or something. This trade would be good for baseball in general. The Yankees would be taking on filthy rich contracts rather than making new inflated contracts with Sheffield and Colon and it may help keep free agent salaries reasonble this year by preventing bidding wars. This is the kind of deal that Kenny Williams is aggressive enough to pull off. I hope he thinks of it or reads your post. That lineup and starting staff would have me pumped and there still may be money or a Konerko trade away from making the pullpen solid. 103 mph screwball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Ya, after that I'd probably keep Carlos Lee unless a great offer came up. I'd only trade him for a player with similar ability at a lesser price, becaus it allowed the Sox to make another signing to fill another "need" area. Otherwise Konerko and Koch would be the next priorities. Try to get about 3 mill in savings in a Koch deal (I think eventually something happens with the Mets and Sox) and then look to Seattle, Baltimore, and anywhere else to move Konerko. Worse case scenario hold onto Konerko because I think he's got the best shot between Koch and Konerko of regaining his form. He had a very good 2nd half, is still a good guy, a leader, and will be productive next year. Then if the Sox want to deal him then, they will have better luck. I have no idea if the other teams do this deal, but from the Sox perspective they get fair value in return..from the Dodgers perspective they get it in return, and the Yanks seem to have needs for both those guys and those are "BIG NAME GUYS" which would send a so called shock to the Red Sox. One day I'll be calling the shots, one day, hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Well said chisoxfn. I AM ALL FOR IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Screwball I don't think thats a bad idea, but I'd prefer to keep Weaver out of the deal. Jason, you finally seeing the light on Weaver?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Jason, you finally seeing the light on Weaver?? I'd only take him from the Yanks if they ate Konerko and Koch's contracts and gave us value for Maggs. I still think he has potential, but Sox shouldn't take an 8 some odd million buck risk. I'd rather take Freddy Garcia if that were the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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