Queen Prawn Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I'm sure it is.. and without meaning to sound s***ty.. that isn't the Sox problem. The point is that they DO do things to make game affordable for families. Much, MUCH more than a LOT of other clubs. And I have no idea how many Monday's or Tuesday's there are in the '04 season. But, again, is that really the point? No one is saying it is the Sox fault, but what I am saying is that they shouldn't be b****ing about attendance either when they raise ticket prices and don't improve the product on the field and overall. Yes it is the point (second para). If there are only 2-4, that's all they go. If there are more, there is more of a chance they will go more than that a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I used 4 cause the average is 2.32 kids.. but regardless.. my point is that the Sox ARE much more affordable that other clubs, and a way better deal in THIS market. Maybe send your suggestion to the Sox..? How do I do that? Is there an email address listed at the 'official' site? If so, I will - can't hurt and might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 But hey.. what do I know.. I'm only there - give or take - 40 to 50 days a year... There. I understand your points about the Sox doing a lot more for families than other clubs and I agree with you 100%! I'm just tired of them saying, "We need more fans to make more money to sign better players." Then they raise the prices over and over and over again and after disappointing season after disappointing season. If I were the Sox I'd keep the prices where the were, thereby keeping the fans you already have and not taking a chance at pissing them off, and run more promotions. Like "Penny Beer Night" perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I'm just tired of them saying, "We need more fans to make more money to sign better players." Then they raise the prices over and over and over again and after disappointing season after disappointing season. Aye there's the rub and the crux of the matter at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Aye there's the rub and the crux of the matter at hand. Don't rub anything of mine with your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 No one is saying it is the Sox fault, but what I am saying is that they shouldn't be b****ing about attendance either when they raise ticket prices and don't improve the product on the field and overall. Yes it is the point (second para). If there are only 2-4, that's all they go. If there are more, there is more of a chance they will go more than that a year. OK.. so you're saying that if the Sox spent more on the team to justify increasing the ticket prices - that so many can already not afford - more people will go?? So somehow.. they are going to find the extra $$ to go if there is a better team..? So.. it's got nothing to do with the prices afterall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 OK.. so you're saying that if the Sox spent more on the team to justify increasing the ticket prices - that so many can already not afford - more people will go?? So somehow.. they are going to find the extra $$ to go if there is a better team..? So.. it's got nothing to do with the prices afterall? I didn't say that. Good come back though, Steff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 There. I understand your points about the Sox doing a lot more for families than other clubs and I agree with you 100%! I'm just tired of them saying, "We need more fans to make more money to sign better players." Then they raise the prices over and over and over again and after disappointing season after disappointing season. If I were the Sox I'd keep the prices where the were, thereby keeping the fans you already have and not taking a chance at pissing them off, and run more promotions. Like "Penny Beer Night" perhaps. Mmmm.. kay. Where did I say I was a better fan..? Looking for that part.. I was talking about the crowd, and how most of them are questionable. I see enough of them. Should the prices stay.. I'd like that. But they won't. Back to my initial point.. the Sox are VERY affordable in THIS market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 How do I do that? Is there an email address listed at the 'official' site? If so, I will - can't hurt and might help. Maybe call them.. ask to talk to a rep and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 OK.. so you're saying that if the Sox spent more on the team to justify increasing the ticket prices - that so many can already not afford - more people will go?? So somehow.. they are going to find the extra $$ to go if there is a better team..? So.. it's got nothing to do with the prices afterall? I think you are twisting something that wasn't said. I am not saying they have to spend more - I am saying put a better product on the field. If it requires a few more dollars, why not? They want me to spend a few more dollars, so why shouldn't they? What's so hard about that concept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I think you are twisting something that wasn't said. I am not saying they have to spend more - I am saying put a better product on the field. If it requires a few more dollars, why not? They want me to spend a few more dollars, so why shouldn't they? What's so hard about that concept? Nothing... I'm clear. Help me out on your position again though... If they put a better product on the field.. with or without increasing payroll - to justify raising ticket prices - prices that are already too high for the average family - then more people will go you think..?? And this really confused me... "I am not saying they have to spend more" but "They want me to spend a few more dollars, so why shouldn't they?" Where is the confused shrugging smiley?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 So.. it's got nothing to do with the prices afterall? Yes it does have to do with prices. If they make it a little more financially feasible for families/blue collar workers, they get more fannies in the seats. More fannies in the seats would work out to more money. They get the more money and we would get (with any luck) a better product on the field. In any case, they want me to pay more, yet they aren't willing to spend. A little hypocritical, isn't it? And with this post brings the end of conversations on ticket prices. I won't convince you, you won't convince me. Let's agree to disagree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 The Sox are probably the 2nd biggest bargain of the 5 major sports teams, the Blackhawks are the first IMO, now that they're drawing so few people. $15 for a lot of seats in the 300 level for a hockey game is a good deal. Anyway, on the Sox situation, no one is happy about raising prices, I'd venture to say even Sox management isn't happy about it ... they know there will be a PR backlash, they know they'll lose some season tickets, and people will b****. The problem is, they spend money on the team but they've not spent it wisely. Or things have happened where guys got hurt or didn't have a good year (David Wells comes to mind). So they pay these guys a lot, the guys don't have good years, the team doesn't win, and no one is happy. I do feel badly for students and young people who simply do not have the money to attend, but they're big fans just the same. The same for families, it becomes a budget issue. But hey, the Sox could cut the player budget to $30 million like the Brewers are doing, and then you'd REALLY hear some b****ing. As far as adults who continually say "I can't afford, I can't afford", hey, that's ok. If it doesn't fit in your budget, it doesn't fit. There are still a lot of value promotions to allow almost anyone the chance to attend a game. The upper deck reserved aren't a bad price either. My problem comes when people want to complain about not being able to afford going to a game, but they're talking about wanting the best seats too. There's a trade off in everything ... the upper deck reserved are affordable, sit there. I particularly agree with Steff though on one thing she mentioned ... some of those crowds on Monday and Tuesday nites brought out some of the worst elements in society ... rude, obnoxious people ... drinking or not, doesn't matter, but just some low lifes exhibiting really bad behavior. By the way ... and I'll post this elsewhere if the moderators let me ... I have two tickets in the bleachers, weekend plan, and I'll be renewing. I'm actively looking for season ticket partner(s) who are willing to pay the bill when I have to pay it for one game per month. I've got 4th row, on the aisle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I think you are twisting something that wasn't said. I am not saying they have to spend more - I am saying put a better product on the field. If it requires a few more dollars, why not? They want me to spend a few more dollars, so why shouldn't they? What's so hard about that concept? The problem is they want you spend your money first. And that is a rediculous way to run a company. For example: If I own a car company and I want to make a better, faster car, I don't raise the price on last year's model so I can afford to do the research and engineering on next year's model. I do all that first, then producer the car, then charge the consumer more. The Sox are doing everything backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 $15 for a lot of seats in the 300 level for a hockey game is a good deal. Where did you find Hawks tickets for $15? I will be getting tickets when the Canes come to town in March (I think it is March anyways) and I always end up getting one row from the very top of 300 and I thought they were more than that...(haven't looked lately and maybe I am remembering incorrectly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Mreye, every sports team that exists does it this way. There's no way they can make all the changes to the team before the invoices go out, or before they've set the budget and plan the revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 The problem is they want you spend your money first. And that is a rediculous way to run a company. For example: If I own a car company and I want to make a better, faster car, I don't raise the price on last year's model so I can afford to do the research and engineering on next year's model. I do all that first, then producer the car, then charge the consumer more. The Sox are doing everything backwards. Thanks - you are saying what I have been trying to type - what can I say, the signals get muddled when they go from the brain to the fingers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Mreye, every sports team that exists does it this way. There's no way they can make all the changes to the team before the invoices go out, or before they've set the budget and plan the revenue. Yeah, the Florida Marlins sure did, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 By the way ... and I'll post this elsewhere if the moderators let me ... I have two tickets in the bleachers, weekend plan, and I'll be renewing. I'm actively looking for season ticket partner(s) who are willing to pay the bill when I have to pay it for one game per month. I've got 4th row, on the aisle. Hey Jim, I am not quite clear on what you are saying. Are you joking about wanting someone to pay your bill, or are you asking if someone wants to buy one weekend a month of your season ticket package? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Where did you find Hawks tickets for $15? I will be getting tickets when the Canes come to town in March (I think it is March anyways) and I always end up getting one row from the very top of 300 and I thought they were more than that...(haven't looked lately and maybe I am remembering incorrectly). All the tickets in the higher part of the 300 level (above the first 16 rows or so) are $15, check out the Blackhawk web site. They've been $15 since the UC opened, except now the $15 tix ring the whole stadium vs. just part of it, i.e. just behind the nets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 All the tickets in the higher part of the 300 level (above the first 8 rows) are $15, check out the Blackhawk web site. They've been $15 since the UC opened, except now the $15 tix ring the whole stadium vs. just part of it, i.e. just behind the nets. Cool - maybe it's all those damned fees that ticketbastard levies that has me confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 The problem is they want you spend your money first. And that is a rediculous way to run a company. For example: If I own a car company and I want to make a better, faster car, I don't raise the price on last year's model so I can afford to do the research and engineering on next year's model. I do all that first, then producer the car, then charge the consumer more. The Sox are doing everything backwards. Eye.. I hate to tell you but this is the way everything works. Take a walk on a car lot.. even without significant changes to a model, the 2004's are more expensive than the 2003's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Eye.. I hate to tell you but this is the way everything works. Take a walk on a car lot.. even without significant changes to a model, the 2004's are more expensive than the 2003's. But not more than the 2003's were at this time last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 But not more than the 2003's were at this time last year. I can only speak for the ones we are looking at getting.. but the 2004 X5 IS a LOT more expensive than the 2003 was last year at this time. The other one I'm looking at (the FX45) was not avaliable so I can't comment on that. The 2004 M5 is $4100 more that it was this time last year as well. And the Jeep is also a bit more expensive. Your analogy is a wee bit flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I can only speak for the ones we are looking at getting.. but the 2004 X5 IS a LOT more expensive than the 2003 was last year at this time. The other one I'm looking at (the FX45) was not avaliable so I can't comment on that. The 2004 M5 is $4100 more that it was this time last year as well. And the Jeep is also a bit more expensive. Your analogy is a wee bit flawed. Fine. Besides the point. If what you say is correct. That everything has always been this way and always will. Why does it have to be for the Sox? They want fannies in the seats and they've done it this way "forever" and it hasn't worked - then something needs to be changed! That's all I'm advocating,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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