MurcieOne Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Jesus........ please give Kenny Williams the Brains to realize that he can get Bartolo Colon......and/or Javier Vasquez. And Jesus please allow Jerry Reinsdorf to open his rather stingey pockets to sign Bartolo Colon to a long term deal. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Amen indeedy. The Sox are division winners with just one of those two...and possible World Series winners with both....right now, if we made it to the playoffs and made no other moves....we would have Jon Garland going up against Mike Mussina or Tim Hudson or Jamie Moyer or Derek Lowe or someone like that....we'd be f***in dicked after Buehrle. But with Garland as the #4 starter, we have him going up against the Kevin Appier's of the world and pitchers on 3 days rest....odds are, the odds would be in our favor...along with our lineup and bullpen. Guys....this team is starting to get me very, very excited....then again, I haven't had baseball in near 2 in a half months, so that's another reason. Only a month until pitchers and catchers report.....and if two of those pitchers can be Colon and Vazquez, I'd be part of a group of people that would be the happiest on Earth...Chicago White Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 How bout this deal. The Sox offer Corwin Malone, Brian West, Dave Sanders, Tim Hummell, Matt Ginter, and Josh Paul to the Expos for Vazquez/Colon. Do you guys think the Expos would consider that? I'd do it in a heartbeat, but would it be enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Guys....this team is starting to get me very, very excited. Knowing full well that JR will never spring for a longterm contract for a Colon and knowing KW is a schmuck, all I'm excited about is SoxFest and the fact that the pitchers and catchers report for ST in about a month. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see Colon coming over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 How bout this deal. The Sox offer Corwin Malone, Brian West, Dave Sanders, Tim Hummell, Matt Ginter, and Josh Paul to the Expos for Vazquez/Colon. Do you guys think the Expos would consider that? I'd do it in a heartbeat, but would it be enough? If we gave them Jon Rauch, then i think they'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted January 15, 2003 Author Share Posted January 15, 2003 Guys....this team is starting to get me very, very excited. Knowing full well that JR will never spring for a longterm contract for a Colon and knowing KW is a schmuck, all I'm excited about is SoxFest and the fact that the pitchers and catchers report for ST in about a month. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see Colon coming over here. I just really want this dude.......in a non-sexual way of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 How bout this deal. The Sox offer Corwin Malone, Brian West, Dave Sanders, Tim Hummell, Matt Ginter, and Josh Paul to the Expos for Vazquez/Colon. Do you guys think the Expos would consider that? I'd do it in a heartbeat, but would it be enough? We're giving up too much, IMO. I'm higher on Malone than I am Stewart...but both are good pitchers. I'd say give them Stewart over Colon...and give them Liefer over Hummel too....otherwise, I'm fine with it. They get some offense as well as pitching, and we get what we want. If they want, we'll even throw in Jon Adkins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Why do we have such an awful GM. How can any Sox fan trust KW? We have the worst GM who is itching to acquire Colon and again decimate us of 3-4 good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delben91 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I must go and pretend I have read and heard none of these rumors so as to avoid disappointment when/if these deals don't happen. If they do, KW, just go in with the mindset you had during the Gurrier for Marte deal...pleeeeease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 How bout this deal. The Sox offer Corwin Malone, Brian West, Dave Sanders, Tim Hummell, Matt Ginter, and Josh Paul to the Expos for Vazquez/Colon. Do you guys think the Expos would consider that? I'd do it in a heartbeat, but would it be enough? If we gave them Jon Rauch, then i think they'd do it. I'd rather give them Danny Wright and pull Malone out of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 How bout this deal. The Sox offer Corwin Malone, Brian West, Dave Sanders, Tim Hummell, Matt Ginter, and Josh Paul to the Expos for Vazquez/Colon. Do you guys think the Expos would consider that? I'd do it in a heartbeat, but would it be enough? We're giving up too much, IMO. I'm higher on Malone than I am Stewart...but both are good pitchers. I'd say give them Stewart over Colon...and give them Liefer over Hummel too....otherwise, I'm fine with it. They get some offense as well as pitching, and we get what we want. If they want, we'll even throw in Jon Adkins! I like your thoughts. Take Malone out, insert Stewart. I'd give them Liefer, but I think they'd have to get Hummell or someone else with his value. Maybe even Malone, Stewart, Hummell, Sanders and Paul for Vazquez, Colon, and Peter Bergeron. I'd throw in Ginter as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Take Malone out, insert Stewart. I'd give them Liefer, but I think they'd have to get Hummell or someone else with his value. Maybe even Malone, Stewart, Hummell, Sanders and Paul for Vazquez, Colon, and Peter Bergeron. I'd throw in Ginter as well. IMO there's no way the Expos deal there 1 and 2 starters if they dont get at least 1 top prospects (Malone or Rauch would do). Stewart and West would also have to be involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Well, mac, I think you may be right. I'd still be willing to do a Malone, Stewart, Biddle, Paul and Liefer for Colon and Vazquez(and maybe Peter Bergeron for Ginter in a seperate move that is just considered to be in the package). We'd be getting the better end of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Now the real issue, MONEY! Would JR add 14.5 mil to the payroll....(thinking)...HELL NO!!! Were f***ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Give them Osuna....that frees up another $2.5 mill from that deal, which makes it approx. $12 million on to their salary, and then they could take on $1 mill of each's contract. That only adds on around $10 mill or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 omg would you people look at yourselves for a minute..... geez us the people your willing to give up for a short term colon/vasquez.........you know damn right well jr wont sign either to a long enough term deal for any trade to make a difference....... so ask yourselves.... do you want to toss the future away for a short term maybe division title... or do you want to take chances and keep some of these guys around hope they develope and possably get to a world series in a few years????????......hell with what you all are willing to offer up for either of these guys i say lets scrap pile the whole f***ing team and start over from scratch........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I would expect maybe to get one of the guys, but the salary thing has to kind of even out, maybe give them clee or leifer plus pitching prospects, say stewart/malone plus ginter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 anybody have any idea how long before vasquez is available to be a fa ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Well, mac, I think you may be right. I'd still be willing to do a Malone, Stewart, Biddle, Paul and Liefer for Colon and Vazquez(and maybe Peter Bergeron for Ginter in a seperate move that is just considered to be in the package). We'd be getting the better end of the deal. I'd add Brian West to the deal making it Malone, Stewart, Biddle, Paul, Liefer, and West. They'd get 4 starting pitchers. West and Malone aren't ready, while Stewart and Biddle could step in. Paul and Liefer could play immediately as well. The Sox woudl get Bergeron, Vazquez and Colon and have a rotation of Colon, Buerhle, Vazquez, Garland, Wright with Rauch starting the season off in AAA as a great backup plan and future ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 i dont expect to get either if the yanks are still in the biddings..... we will most likely get stuck with whoever they want to toss aside making roster space for colon and vasquez.........el duque and pettite?? or wells?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 That deal seems fair, but something tells me both sides wouldn't agree to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 omg would you people look at yourselves for a minute..... geez us the people your willing to give up for a short term colon/vasquez.........you know damn right well jr wont sign either to a long enough term deal for any trade to make a difference....... so ask yourselves.... do you want to toss the future away for a short term maybe division title... or do you want to take chances and keep some of these guys around hope they develope and possably get to a world series in a few years????????......hell with what you all are willing to offer up for either of these guys i say lets scrap pile the whole f***ing team and start over from scratch........... The thing is we would still have Rauch, Honel, Diaz, Wright, Garland, Buerhle, Heath Phillips, Ryan Wing, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 pettite?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 i think i would rather give up maybe one very good prospect and one or two maybes, than 5 maybees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 omg would you people look at yourselves for a minute..... geez us the people your willing to give up for a short term colon/vasquez.........you know damn right well jr wont sign either to a long enough term deal for any trade to make a difference....... so ask yourselves.... do you want to toss the future away for a short term maybe division title... or do you want to take chances and keep some of these guys around hope they develope and possably get to a world series in a few years????????......hell with what you all are willing to offer up for either of these guys i say lets scrap pile the whole f***ing team and start over from scratch........... HSC....you saw how much the Giants and Angels shares went up after they got to the World Series.....imagine if a team like the Sox, who haven't won jack s*** since really 1959, go on and either get to or win a World Series....the demand for White Sox shares may just go up....you consider this, the fact that attendance will increase, popularity of the White Sox as a whole will increase, and all in all, we could be building something for the future. I know JR hasn't dished out a long term contract to a pitcher before...but I gotta ask this. When was the last time a pitcher brought the White Sox, no, when was the last time a pitcher brought JR a World Series? That's right...no pitcher ever has. I think he'd like a pitcher more that brought him a World Series, even if he his 40 pounds overweight....he would think less about giving pitchers(such as Buehrle and Colon) money if they brought him a World Series. Maybe you're right...you probably are. I'm just hopeful that this is kind of like A Christmas Carol, when Scrooge is a mean bastard and then is nice....that's all we have is hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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