Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 That seriously is a joke. Baseball thinks they have a problem that the Expos only want to play their home games at one location next year. Can you really blame the Expos? That has to kill that team, I remember they basically had a month and a half road trip since their home games were in Puerto Rico. When I woke up today I heard someone from a New York Paper say that they thought Washington or Portland would be the final destinations but thats been getting said for so long now and nothing seems to be happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Man I would love to get Brown, especially if he's healthy. Another great thing about Brown is the effect he could have on Garland, really teach him how to throw a devistating sinker. I would hope it would be the same effect that Wells had on Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I still think we should go afta Livan Hernandez from the Expos, mayb they want to resign Vlad so much they mite hav to move out 1 more guy, and they want a closer to replace Biddle, so mayb offa Koch or sum1 else and make it a 3 team deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I still think we should go afta Livan Hernandez from the Expos, mayb they want to resign Vlad so much they mite hav to move out 1 more guy, and they want a closer to replace Biddle, so mayb offa Koch or sum1 else and make it a 3 team deal. I'd really like that deal. I wonder if the Expos would take Koch though. Weren't we in talks of getting him a year or two ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I would rather have the Sox go after Cameron instead of JuanGone. Cameron would probably cost less money, is younger, is SIGNIFICANTLY better defensively, is SIGNIFICANTLY faster, and isn't much worse offensively(especially when you consider that JuanGone played in one of the best hitters parks and Cameron played in one of the best pitchers parks). I think Cameron would be a much better investment at this point, if the Sox are looking a cheaper option, and if Maggs is traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I would rather have the Sox go after Cameron instead of JuanGone. Cameron would probably cost less money, is younger, is SIGNIFICANTLY better defensively, is SIGNIFICANTLY faster, and isn't much worse offensively(especially when you consider that JuanGone played in one of the best hitters parks and Cameron played in one of the best pitchers parks). I think Cameron would be a much better investment at this point, if the Sox are looking a cheaper option, and if Maggs is traded. I'm not sure about that...I guess there's reports in a Seattle newspaper that says Cameron was offered $24M/4 years from Oakland..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I would rather have the Sox go after Cameron instead of JuanGone. Cameron would probably cost less money, is younger, is SIGNIFICANTLY better defensively, is SIGNIFICANTLY faster, and isn't much worse offensively(especially when you consider that JuanGone played in one of the best hitters parks and Cameron played in one of the best pitchers parks). I think Cameron would be a much better investment at this point, if the Sox are looking a cheaper option, and if Maggs is traded. And he can play CF and wouldn't be a pain in the ass for us to get into the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I'm not sure about that...I guess there's reports in a Seattle newspaper that says Cameron was offered $24M/4 years from Oakland..... Which is probably less then what JuanGone wants/will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I say we just get whatever will help us! Sound good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Which is probably less then what JuanGone wants/will get. My guess is Gonzalez doesn't get that much. He's productive but hasn't been able to play many full seasons and at this stage in the game I see him getting a one or two year offer at 4 mill or less per year. Thats just a guess, but the market is nowhere near what it used to be. Some guys will go high, the rest will go low and no many in between, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 It sounds good. It's just that we have a lot of holes to fill, and we only have enough money to buy a small bucket of spackle. That being said, a lot of ugly patching will occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 It sounds good. It's just that we have a lot of holes to fill, and we only have enough money to buy a small bucket of spackle. That being said, a lot of ugly patching will occur. As long as the ugly patchwork isn't occuring with the pitching staff, then I got no problems with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I agree. Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that the Sox are only able to spend another 10 million the whole rest of the offseason. Just 10 million. I would spend that whole damn enchilada on the pitching staff and not allot $1 to the lineup. Pitching, people. That's what gets it done. Even if your lineup is laughable, weak, and pathetic, if you have a great pitching staff, you have a fighting chance. PITCHING, PITCHING, PITCHING. Oh yeah, and if it's available, PITCHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I agree. Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that the Sox are only able to spend another 10 million the whole rest of the offseason. Just 10 million. I would spend that whole damn enchilada on the pitching staff and not allot $1 to the lineup. Pitching, people. That's what gets it done. Even if your lineup is laughable, weak, and pathetic, if you have a great pitching staff, you have a fighting chance. PITCHING, PITCHING, PITCHING. Oh yeah, and if it's available, PITCHING. Dodgers last year. Did that get it done? No. We don't even have a staff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Dodgers last year. Did that get it done? No. We don't even have a staff like that. The difference is the Dodgers were absolutely atrosious at the plate. Not only did they have crappy hitters, their hitters had crappy fundementals. This team would still have some bats, and vet fa's...it wouldn't quite have the power of previous teams, but what good has that done the Sox. I think the Dodgesr last year were a HUGE fluke. Teams with that kind of pitching almost always go deep, very deep. They also had a terrible manager and still have one. And I won't begin to speak of their coward of a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Steve, Look at our lineup, and then look at the Dodgers lineup. We are much better, even in our worst moments. At least, IMO. Plus, we play in the worst division in baseball, while the Dodgers play in the arguably best division in baseball. We have Frank, Crede, CLee, Maggs, and Jose in our lineup. Plus, we have the luxury of a DH. Give our lineup to the Dodgers last year, and they would have won 98 games, IMO. Their team lacks HR and doubles potential, while we have a lot of it. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Steve, Look at our lineup, and then look at the Dodgers lineup. We are much better, even in our worst moments. At least, IMO. Plus, we play in the worst division in baseball, while the Dodgers play in the arguably best division in baseball. We have Frank, Crede, CLee, Maggs, and Jose in our lineup. Give that lineup the Dodgers last year, and they would have won 98 games, IMO. Their team lacks HR and doubles potential, while we have a lot of it. Just my thoughts. Well remember, if the Sox were to pull of some of these moves, I think we should expect at the very least two of the big boppers to be dealt. Most likely would be Magglio and Konerko in my opinion. Although I have my own feelings that we'll see more then that dealt. But to start things off, I think the Sox will go with Maggs and Paulie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Guys, but we don't have near the pitching. So many holes on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Guys, but we don't have near the pitching. So many holes on this team. If I am reading pastime right, what the two of us are implying is that Kenny needs to dump the guys that make big bucks on offense for younger guys that can be productive and then use the free payroll to add pitching, pitching and more pitching. First off, get Colon in here...3 yr 30 sounds good to me. Lets see if it works for Colon. If that happens and we have Colon...then everything really gets a lot more stable. The Sox should still add a 5th and then add at least 2 relievers, I'd like 3 because I'd like to see Koch go. After that fill the necessary holes with vet fa's. Look at Boston, most of that offense was veteran guys that they signed relatively cheap last offseason. Well maybe not most, but at least a few. Todd Walker, Kevin Millar, David Ortiz, Bill Mueller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 If I am reading pastime right, what the two of us are implying is that Kenny needs to dump the guys that make big bucks on offense for younger guys that can be productive and then use the free payroll to add pitching, pitching and more pitching. Holy Crap. My wife is the only one who ever read me right, and now you too? I'm becoming too predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 If I am reading pastime right, what the two of us are implying is that Kenny needs to dump the guys that make big bucks on offense for younger guys that can be productive and then use the free payroll to add pitching, pitching and more pitching. First off, get Colon in here...3 yr 30 sounds good to me. Lets see if it works for Colon. If that happens and we have Colon...then everything really gets a lot more stable. The Sox should still add a 5th and then add at least 2 relievers, I'd like 3 because I'd like to see Koch go. After that fill the necessary holes with vet fa's. Look at Boston, most of that offense was veteran guys that they signed relatively cheap last offseason. Well maybe not most, but at least a few. Todd Walker, Kevin Millar, David Ortiz, Bill Mueller. I agree 100%, but I am just saying if we are going to go with pitching, we need a staff in here that can do it. A pen of Marte, Wunsch, Wright, and Koch right now won't do it. A rotation of MB, Loz, JG, and Show won't do it. Add Colon and our rotation is better, but no Brown, Nomo, Ishii, Perez, and Alverez. Our pen is no Mota, Quantrill, Shuey, and ofcourse Gagne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 We will lose Maggs, probably Frank, and Jose V after this season. The White Sox, as we have known them for the last 5 years, are going to get a facelift. Our manager is different than what we're used to, and our team will be different than what we're used to. As long as it equals a World Series in my lifetime, I'm okay with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Not Yet...but the Sox still have money to add other people and i would argue that if the Sox had Colon, added a starter, brought back Sully, brought in Hasageway or Grimsley and then added Lightenbery while dealing Koch. Then I'd say they have a shot, a very good one at that. Of course like everything, u still need a little luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Hasegawa (while I have been a huge fan) will end up back with SEA. Grimsley wants to stay in KC (why I do not know). I would be shocked if we atleast don't offer Sully arbitration. I would love a strong pen, but we have to wait and see. No matter what KW does, no one will be happy. I am happy with seeing cheaper guys in the field (ie Daubach, Uribe, Harris, and Rowand; Crede doesn't really count as one of these guys). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I may be overinflating his worth or what I expect of him, but I truly think that Joe Crede will be "Scott Rolen II" next season. He won't hit the same amount of HR's but he will be our "diamond in the rough." Or as some people call it - a "sleeper." Now if only Joe Borchard could remove his head from his ass and cut down on his swing ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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