Soxfest Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Oklahoma gets hammered but USC gets left out of the BCS game what the f*** is this, I am NO USC fan but this is a bunch of BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 That bs...it should be LSU vs USC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I wanted USC vs. Oklahoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I like LSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 That bs...it should be LSU vs USC Exactly...it's such BS.......What would have happened to USC or LSU if they lost yesterday? It definitely would've killed their chances at playing for any kind of championship bowl. By those standards, you'd figure a loss would hurt your chances. Why doesn't Oklahoma get hurt in this system? I'm not a big USC fan at all, but I feel for those guys. They were #1 in both of the polls, but somehow that's not enough to put them into the championship bowl. The BCS has some serious issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Everyone is attacking the BCS.... Why not attack the Conference Championship games.. or lack there of If the Pac-10 would have had Conference Championship game, they would have Increased thier stregth-of-schedule, and with a victory would be playing in the Sugar. The SEC champ, LSU, got the benefit of the playing Georgia as a top 6 team twice, this, more than the Syracuse and Hawaii games, pushed thier schedule stregth ahead of USC. I've long held that the pre-season rankings do too much in determining the final #1 and #2.... The only way to include conference championship games in the BCS formula is to have all conferences play a championship game.... This would have meant an Iowa-OSU match-up last year, where i'm sure Iowa would have won , that would have likely resulted in a USC-Miami national championship.. Currently the NCAA doesn't allow a conference with less than 12 teams to play a conference title game. This would have to be changed.... This also artificially, helps or harms, depending on your point of view, the teams involved. I think the true solution is to have a conference championship games incorporated into a playoff system... the big 6 confernce title game winners, plus two at large teams enter a 8 game playoff... this way the conference title games are essentially a playoff game.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I just wanted LSU in, and I got my wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Cheat, Did ya miss all the talk about LSU playing Georgia a second time. It didn't help them as much as people would think, because it took a vicotry over a top opponent down. I do agree that the Pac10 should, aswell as the Big10, have a championship game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Co-champions this year if USC wins the Rose Bowl. And for the rest of history people will always wonder who would win: 2003 Trojans or the winner of the Sugar Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Exactly...it's such BS.......What would have happened to USC or LSU if they lost yesterday? It definitely would've killed their chances at playing for any kind of championship bowl. By those standards, you'd figure a loss would hurt your chances. Why doesn't Oklahoma get hurt in this system? I'm not a big USC fan at all, but I feel for those guys. They were #1 in both of the polls, but somehow that's not enough to put them into the championship bowl. The BCS has some serious issues. If either USC or LSU had lost yesterday it would have been their second loss of the season. OU was undefeated going into last night's game. So where's the hypocrisy? OU is, without a doubt, the most talented NCAA football team in the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Cheat, Did ya miss all the talk about LSU playing Georgia a second time. It didn't help them as much as people would think, because it took a vicotry over a top opponent down. I do agree that the Pac10 should, aswell as the Big10, have a championship game. those people didn't truly understand the BCS.... The SOS component in the middle is so volitile.... here is the SOS component last week... TEAM....Schedule Stregth...........SOS OU..........14.....................0.56 USC.........37.....................1.48 LSU.........54.....................2.16 At this point LSU's Quality Win component was .4 but after playing a top quality team here's what it did to the SOS... its like a bell curve the teams in the middle move around alot because there is so little deciding the difference. notice OU only went up 3 spots while LSU made a jump of 25... USC didn't move at all. TEAM....Schedule Stregth...........SOS OU..........11.....................0.44 LSU.........29.....................1.16 USC.........37.....................1.48 LSU may have lost the quality win component... but that only really helps at the very top of the bell curve.. in the middle where LSU and USC are... just playing the quality team moved them up an entire point... clearly playing them twice benefitted LSU, even losing the QW points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I think the true solution is to have a conference championship games incorporated into a playoff system... the big 6 confernce title game winners, plus two at large teams enter a 8 game playoff... this way the conference title games are essentially a playoff game.. So basically the national champion will have played 20 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 So basically the national champion will have played 20 games Try 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 When you are ranked #1 in both polls and do not play in the BCS there is something wrong. Usc is Pac Ten CHAMP, LSU is SEC Champ, OKL never even won there league Championship something is amiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Try 15 11 to 13 - regular season +3 - best of 8 conference tourney +4 - best of 16 national championship tourney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 11 to 13 - regular season +3 - best of 8 conference tourney +4 - best of 16 national championship tourney There was no best of 8 conference tourney. Just a conference title game. Also it would only be an 8 team playoff. So it's 11-13 game regular season plus 3 games in the playoff at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 My reply was to The Cheat's post. He suggested both tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 My reply was to The Cheat's post. He suggested both tournaments. I know, you misinterpreted what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 If either USC or LSU had lost yesterday it would have been their second loss of the season. OU was undefeated going into last night's game. So where's the hypocrisy? OU is, without a doubt, the most talented NCAA football team in the nation. Still though, how can a team coming off a loss play for the national championship? A team that isn't even the best in their conference is playing for the national championship..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I do agree. USC is #1, yet are not playing for the National Championship? Oklahoma gets absolutely demolished, and they are? Total confusion. Atleast I got my wish....LSU is playing for the National Championship. I hope they get to Jason White about 15 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Exactly...it's such BS.......What would have happened to USC or LSU if they lost yesterday? It definitely would've killed their chances at playing for any kind of championship bowl. By those standards, you'd figure a loss would hurt your chances. Why doesn't Oklahoma get hurt in this system? I'm not a big USC fan at all, but I feel for those guys. They were #1 in both of the polls, but somehow that's not enough to put them into the championship bowl. The BCS has some serious issues. Oklahoma doesn't get hurt A) because they hadn't lost yet and B) they had clearly proven they were one of the best two teams in the nation throughout the course of the year. The BCS is supposed to find the two best team from the season, not just the two that finished the best. No one deserved it more than Oklahoma. And it wasn't even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Oklahoma doesn't get hurt A) because they hadn't lost yet and B) they had clearly proven they were one of the best two teams in the nation throughout the course of the year. The BCS is supposed to find the two best team from the season, not just the two that finished the best. No one deserved it more than Oklahoma. And it wasn't even close. College basketball seeds teams partially based on how the team's finished the season. Oklahoma didn't clearly deserve it. They had 1 loss like USC and LSU, but the other 2 won their conference unlike Oklahoma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 College basketball seeds teams partially based on how the team's finished the season. Oklahoma didn't clearly deserve it. They had 1 loss like USC and LSU, but the other 2 won their conference unlike Oklahoma. USC and LSU's 1 loss (especially USC... Cal?) were to much weaker opponents. Since when did college football have to be like basketball? Maybe we should go with a 64-team tourney to keep everyone from whining? Anyways, if we can't agree on the basic premise that Oklahoma pretty much wrapped up a trip to the Sugar Bowl a week or so ago, we're not going to agree on anything anyways. Bottom line is, they're their and, IMO, they deserved it more than USC. The real thieves here are the Tigers, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 danman don't bother arguing, he doesn't know jack about college football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 If winning your conference is so important why have ranking throughout the year? Those that complain that OU didn't win their conference, are you saying they should be ranked behind every conference winner? For example Miami won the MAC, are they a better team than OU? Would you also argue that it should be impossible for the two best teams in the nation to be from the same conference? No other sport requires you to win your last regular season game to be in the playoffs. The Bowls are the playoffs in NCAA football. OU is clearly one of the top two teams this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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