Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 What's going on with this guy, he's a pretty big free agent out there, and I thought and still think that the sox are going to be in the running for this guy, but I haven't heard anything about him since the offseason started about him, do you think teams have just been waiting to see the giants decline arbitration on him or what? I'm just curious to what's going on with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Giants didn't offer him arb, so he's a free agent now. Like I said before, I think the Sox are gonna try to unload these contracts at the winter meetings then target pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 With the dissapointment of the sox not resigning Colon, we better damn at least get Ponson. I say going into the season it is UNACCEPTABLE to have to throw in a guy from the minors or a reliever in the #5 spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 Giants didn't offer him arb, so he's a free agent now. Like I said before, I think the Sox are gonna try to unload these contracts at the winter meetings then target pitching Yeah I know they didn't offer him arbitration, it just strikes me wierd that it seems no teams have been interested in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 The part about waiting for the Winter Meetings, is they don't offer contracts to marque-players early enough to show that player serious interest. I just wish we could go after a title one year without payroll a concern, ala the Marlins 1997. I would gladly trade a world series title for two subpar years following. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I think he is vastly over-rated and will be over-priced... He's going to put up Garland-like numbers in the AL... Don't waste your time KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Ponson is almost a must sign at this point unless kw has a really creative trade coming up. Either way we need to add two quality starters not just one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I really cant see the Sox not signing Ponson. What else are we really going to spend money on?? What a letdown it would be if we didn't bring him in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Yeah I know they didn't offer him arbitration, it just strikes me wierd that it seems no teams have been interested in him. There's a lot of free agents who aren't getting much buzz. Some of it is has to do with the Yankees-Red Sox-Rangers holding it all up. If the A-Rod deal doesn't happen, Angels and Dodgers turn their attention else where. With the Yanks if Pettite goes to Houston, then they turn elsewhere. And another point is that the owners aren't spening money like they used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I really cant see the Sox not signing Ponson. What else are we really going to spend money on?? Well it all depends on if they can move big contracts. If they can't move Magglio his contract is up to 14 million from the 9-10 he made last year. Carlos and Mark are up for big raises due to good performance last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 I think he is vastly over-rated and will be over-priced... He's going to put up Garland-like numbers in the AL... Don't waste your time KW I disagree with you, what makes you say he'll put up garland like numbers in the al? The numbers he was putting up before he got traded definitely weren't garland numbers, and don't forget he's still young, and keeps getting better every year, I personally think he'd be a great sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Some guys said Baltimoire put him against the other team's #3,4,5 starters...to bolster his trade value at the deadline...IMO you have to face the line-up not the other team's pitcher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I forgot how funny White Sox fans were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 He's about all there is left, but I don't think Ponson is that impressive..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Some guys said Baltimoire put him against the other team's #3,4,5 starters...to bolster his trade value at the deadline...IMO you have to face the line-up not the other team's pitcher... Run support goes a long way in determining a pitchers wins and losses. Loiza would have won the Cy young this year if he had the run support of Roy Halladay. He won 21 games, and lost 2 1-0 games to Detroit.... sure your line-up can pick you up one day and let you down another... Toronto's won Roy halladay a Cy young.... --------------------------- The STATS supports that argument... Most of Ponson's stats remained the same when he switched teams and yet he when he was pitching in big games he lost.... This guy is not a winner and not a replacement for Colon.... HE'LL be overpriced and will Under-produce.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Run support goes a long way in determining a pitchers wins and losses. Loiza would have won the Cy young this year if he had the run support of Roy Halladay. He won 21 games, and lost 2 1-0 games to Detroit.... sure your line-up can pick you up one day and let you down another... Toronto's won Roy halladay a Cy young.... --------------------------- The STATS supports that argument... Most of Ponson's stats remained the same when he switched teams and yet he when he was pitching in big games he lost.... This guy is not a winner and not a replacement for Colon.... HE'LL be overpriced and will Under-produce.. All this may be true but I don't see any other viable options unless we can somehow get Pettite. Millwood will be overpaid as well and Maddux's best days are behind him. The only other option is kw completely fleecing another GM and I just don't see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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