YASNY Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I still believe a healthy Danny wright can be an effective starter. The key word in that statement being "healthy". I'm not so quick to give up on these young guys as some people around here are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I'd say that the Brewers gm would be doing pretty good considering Spivey is pretty much out of Milwalkee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I'd say that the Brewers gm would be doing pretty good considering Spivey is pretty much out of Milwalkee. For Danny Wright??? Please i hope God Hears you If danny had his velocity, I wouldn't mind making him a reliever maybe even a closer. But with his pastball he can't get me out.... And that's saying a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Danny constantly throws arond 94 MPH. You're kidding, right? I never saw Danny as a AA'er (people say that like Garland and Barcelo and Valentine, he threw by far his hardest when in AA before being askd to tone it down a notch for command's sake), but when he first came with the Sox in Seattle in 2001, he was 94-97 on WGN radar, which is what I expected given teams' penchance for overhyping minor league velocity.....At the end of 2002, Danny was 92-94 This season? 89-92 and his cruve had much less BREAK/velocity as well. He simply doesn't have the command and release point consitency to survive on anything less than 93-94 fastball and a fast biter. Fact. The preseason injury affected his range of motion, his velocity declined. Now, I believe that a 94 mph fastball and a sharp breaking curve will return, but only if he saves his energy as a RELIEVER. Starting career is OVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I still think Danny had good velocity. I remember watching him in his first few games and noticing it was low compared to last season. I know at the end of 2001 he was throwing as hard as ever, 95 late in ball games. As the season went on I saw Wright's velocity go back up to normal although he didn't throw many innings. Still, its really hard to tell cause the Radar gun was so whacky on the games. Sometimes you could see it was reading really high...I saw a game or two where Buehrle had some pitches around 94, while other games it was very very low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillSharp Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Brando, you're right, when he first came up his velocity was great - he might have even hit 98 - but 94-97 for sure. But you're wrong about 2002. By 02 he had already lost his velocity. Mostly 89-92. I've never seen a kid lose so much so fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 But you're wrong about 2002. By 02 he had already lost his velocity. Mostly 89-92 It depends what radar you used. When both Danny Wright and Garland were performing under Cooper in August-September of 2002, they were BOTH 92-94 with a good breaking ball, something that enabled them to completely dumbfound such offensive teams as Toronto and go on a run which made Sox fans expect BIG things from them in 2003... It was such a contrast to see Danny Wright lose velocity and break on his curve (that's why he all but discarded it) and 2-3 mph and some movement off his fastballs. Result? 6.50 ERA. So, yeah, I think you're mistaken as to WHEN the velocity drop happened even if it doesn't really matter: 2001- 93-97, averaging 94. 2002 91-95, ave 93 2003 89-92, ave 91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Agreed, the drop happened in 2003 and well he was coming back from arm surgery. I do recall late in the season that he was regaining his old velocity. And the things I have heard from the Charlotte people say that Wright just has an amazing work ethic and is willing to do anything to get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Agreed, the drop happened in 2003 and well he was coming back from arm surgery. I do recall late in the season that he was regaining his old velocity. And the things I have heard from the Charlotte people say that Wright just has an amazing work ethic and is willing to do anything to get better. Everything I have ever read/heard about Danny Wright as he was headed up our farm system, was a glowing review of his work ethic and abilty to get guys out without the best stuff. This kid should be able to figure things out. I see him as a pen guy and once DW accepts that -- he want's to be a starter-- He can become a great reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I agree Cheat. He has a lot of potential to be a great relieve when he is healthy and has himself accepting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Why can't a healthy Danny Wright be a good starter? I see no reason why he has to be relegated to the bullpen. He should get a shot at that fifth spot in the rotation along with the rest of the potential candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I agree Cheat. He has a lot of potential to be a great relieve when he is healthy and has himself accepting it. If the White Sox Organization - whoever it may be - Sits down and tells DW : This is the direction we're headed. You really showed you could help us out of the pen last year. We really believe you have the ability to be a lights-out reliever You're the guy we're going to look for to get us out of jams. Then I think DW would step-up to the plate, and really make the most of his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Why can't a healthy Danny Wright be a good starter? I see no reason why he has to be relegated to the bullpen. He should get a shot at that fifth spot in the rotation along with the rest of the potential candidates. I am of the belief that none of the guys rumored to get a shot at the 5th spot should get it. The Sox should bring in 2 more starters. I also don't think there is a chance in hell that Scho is brought back. He's gonna get 3 mill and they could invest that money in a much better way, so he will be non-tendered. Now if they have an opening for the 5th spot, then I do think Wright deserves the shot. I think he'll make a hell of a reliever, but he has proven he can go deep in games and I think he could be an absolute horse of a starter. At the same time he lacks an extra out pitch and may be best suited for the pen. Once again from what I heard from the Charlotte people when I was there this summer was that Wright had no problem pitching otu of the pen. He's willing to do whatever it takes to help the Sox and he was very dissapointed in the way he pitched last season. He knows he has to improve because he didn't get it done last year. He will pull through it and be a pretty damn good pitcher for the Sox if you ask me. I just think the odds are, he will do it as a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Why can't a healthy Danny Wright be a good starter? I see no reason why he has to be relegated to the bullpen. He should get a shot at that fifth spot in the rotation along with the rest of the potential candidates 1. Danny Wright is NOT capable of throwing in mid-90's with a sharp breaking curveball when he has to throw 100+ pitches. At least not anymore. 2. Danny Wright is too mentally unstable, his release point and arm slot is too inconsistent which means he has NO ability to be a finesse pitcher. NONE. His change-up is not good enough to compensate for his loss of velocity and movement on both curve and heater and his constant 2-0/3-1 count predicaments. 3. Danny is more confortable in relief, with a very good ERA already, before he had a chance to adapt. Even if he is not a closer, he can be a valuable inning-eating long man. Unless he magically recovers from arm injury, his days of starting are over. He was horrendeous in 2003, helping the with Twins with his over-7.00 ERA as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 1. Danny Wright is NOT capable of throwing in mid-90's with a sharp breaking curveball when he has to throw 100+ pitches. At least not anymore. 2. Danny Wright is too mentally unstable, his release point and arm slot is too inconsistent which means he has NO ability to be a finesse pitcher. NONE. His change-up is not good enough to compensate for his loss of velocity and movement on both curve and heater and his constant 2-0/3-1 count predicaments. 3. Danny is more confortable in relief, with a very good ERA already, before he had a chance to adapt. Even if he is not a closer, he can be a valuable inning-eating long man. Unless he magically recovers from arm injury, his days of starting are over. He was horrendeous in 2003, helping the with Twins with his over-7.00 ERA as a starter. "Magically" recover? ... I always thought that was called healing. Which he has had time to do now and he didn't in 2003. A healthy arm and he can regain his fastball. Everyone seems to forget that Danny Wright was not a healthy pitcher in 2003. Yes, he lost something off his heater last year .... but he was not healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 "Magically" recover? ... I always thought that was called healing. Which he has had time to do now and he didn't in 2003. A healthy arm and he can regain his fastball. Everyone seems to forget that Danny Wright was not a healthy pitcher in 2003. Yes, he lost something off his heater last year .... but he was not healthy. I totally agree Yas. Give him a chance when healthy to prove himself again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 "Magically" recover? ... I always thought that was called healing. Which he has had time to do now and he didn't in 2003. A healthy arm and he can regain his fastball. Everyone seems to forget that Danny Wright was not a healthy pitcher in 2003. Yes, he lost something off his heater last year .... but he was not healthy. Severity of Wright's tear PLUS his BAD mechanics....Yeah, he'll be as good as new in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillSharp Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 LOL, you guys are a riot. If living in a fantasy world helps to keep you Sox fans, well, go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 What are JoshPR's boards? Are they White Sox message boards, because if they are I have to be involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Ok ... you guys wallow in you negative self pity all winter. We don't know if Wright will be back to where he was, but he damn sure wasn't in 2003. You guys just want to write him off without giving the guy a look after having an off season to heal. You're so closed minded it's rediculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 You're so closed minded it's rediculous Close minded = objectively noting that Wright HUGELY contributed to the disaster of a season in 2003, even though we were told, by Danny himself no less, that he is "near 100 %" healthy? If so, I guess I am a f***ing idiot. I guess I DO wish ill on the Sox, my "DW can be a valuable reliever, I hope he recovers" sentiment notwithstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Close minded = objectively noting that Wright HUGELY contributed to the disaster of a season in 2003, even though we were told, by Danny himself no less, that he is "near 100 %" healthy? If so, I guess I am a f***ing idiot. I guess I DO wish ill on the Sox, my "DW can be a valuable reliever, I hope he recovers" sentiment notwithstanding. Brando. Chill out. All I'm trying to say is that we did not see a 1005 healthy Danny Wright in 2003. We may, or may not, in 2004. But until we see what he can do, there is no reason to believe he can't be a decent 5th starter. I'm not trying to pick a fight here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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