maggsmaggs Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Actually, signing Ponson would be better. Although he is a little chunky, he isn't as chunky as fat ass Colon. Also, his numbers were better this year than Colon. And to top it off, he is younger at 27 years old. Here's links to the two stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5984 -Sidney Ponson http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5763 -Bartolo Colon :fyou :finger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 And K.Millwood blows them both away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Actually, signing Ponson would be better. Although he is a little chunky, he isn't as chunky as fat ass Colon. Also, his numbers were better this year than Colon. And to top it off, he is younger at 27 years old. Here's links to the two stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5984 -Sidney Ponson http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5763 -Bartolo Colon :fyou :finger OK, now this is just getting rediculous. Ponson IS NOT better than Colon. Period. You are telling me with one game to win, you would put Sidney Ponson out there over Bartolo Colon? NO f***ING WAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 Maybe not with one game, but over a full season and signing of 3-years, why go for a guy whose stats got worse last year. Colon will be injured soon with his short-armed pitching motion. Anyways, look at the stats, who one more and had a lower ERA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Actually, signing Ponson would be better. Although he is a little chunky, he isn't as chunky as fat ass Colon. Also, his numbers were better this year than Colon. And to top it off, he is younger at 27 years old. Here's links to the two stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5984 -Sidney Ponson http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5763 -Bartolo Colon :fyou :finger Yeah right Buddy.. Go play more All Star baseball.. Sheesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Maybe not with one game, but over a full season and signing of 3-years, why go for a guy whose stats got worse last year. Colon will be injured soon with his short-armed pitching motion. Anyways, look at the stats, who one more and had a lower ERA? People have been saying Colon is an injury risk for years. I have yet to see it happen. As for Ponson he has had one good year. Colon is a proven horse and big time pitcher. I go for the stud everytime. Ponson just hasn't shown that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest williestokes Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Ponsons only had one good year. And Colon does everything needed when s*** counts. Sept 2 and Sept 13 against the BoSox, he was incredible. Id much rather have Colon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 And don't forget that Jose Lima is better than both of them. Lima Time anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 All Ponson is is a fat Jon Garland. And in a perfect world, JG would be our #5 starter or (preferably) our long reliever..... not our #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 But Ponson is a knight of Aruba!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 But Ponson is a knight of Aruba!!! Lets get Kingsale then. I forget who the third was but, we should get him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 But Ponson is a knight of Aruba!!! Yeah and so was Calvin Maduro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Lol Josh, thanks for some insightful information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Yeah and so was Calvin Maduro LOL!! What are friends for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Well if it turns out to be Ponson and Guardado or another stud reliever instead of Colon then I'd say you got a legit case. I like Ponson. I like the fact that he's young, I like the fact that he has good stuff and I like the fact that he's been improving each of the past few seasons, but he's no Colon...yet. They both are very similar pitchers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Well if it turns out to be Ponson and Guardado or another stud reliever instead of Colon then I'd say you got a legit case. I like Ponson. I like the fact that he's young, I like the fact that he has good stuff and I like the fact that he's been improving each of the past few seasons, but he's no Colon...yet. They both are very similar pitchers though. Rotund? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Cubkilla said: "All Ponson is is a fat Jon Garland. And in a perfect world, JG would be our #5 starter or (preferably) our long reliever..... not our #3. " Great line. I never thought of that, but I thorougly agree. I do not like Ponson. Why do we want him so bad? Are we never going to rest til we get Weaver and Ponson? I dislike both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 And K.Millwood blows them both away. Millwood is better than Colon? Are you serious? So much for you being a frugal straight shooter who knows what's up.... Millwood has a higher career ERA than Colon despite pitching in better pitcher's parks and offense-light NL all his life. And whomever said Ponson is better than Colon is crazy as well. Now, Ponson is YOUNGER than Colon, had a better 2003 and will make just a little over HALF of what Bartolo is gonna get...So he is a better option, but Bartolo is a better pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Yes, if I was needing a pitcher for one game I would choose Colon. However, I feel Millwood or Ponson would be better long term options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Yes, if I was needing a pitcher for one game I would choose Colon. However, I feel Millwood or Ponson would be better long term options. Maybe. But Ponson is not better than Colon like someone tried to say, without looking at the facts and because he's ticked cause colon could be gone. I think starting a whole thread about something that's not possible is ludacrist. But..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Maybe. But Ponson is not better than Colon like someone tried to say, without looking at the facts and because he's ticked cause colon could be gone. I think starting a whole thread about something that's not possible is ludacrist. But..... I think this thread was started simply because Colon is gone. Sometimes people try to paint a masterpiece, but use watercolors. Bartolo Colon is and has been the better pitcher of the three. Hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 But Ponson is not better than Colon like someone tried to say, without looking at the facts and because he's ticked cause colon could be gone I think it's important to differentiate between a "better pitcher" and a "better option": Colon is a better pitcher than Ponson, with higher upside. But given other factors, I'd rather have Ponson. You will save up to 6 million, so in essence it's a younger Ponson coming off a better campaign PLUS Odalis Perez PLUS Sullivan-type reliever......VERSUS Bartolo. 3 against 1. I take the 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I think it's important to differentiate between a "better pitcher" and a "better option": Colon is a better pitcher than Ponson, with higher upside. But given other factors, I'd rather have Ponson. You will save up to 6 million, so in essence it's a younger Ponson coming off a better campaign PLUS Odalis Perez PLUS Sullivan-type reliever......VERSUS Bartolo. 3 against 1. I take the 3. EXACTLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 EXACTLY I think that's one of the most important quality of a good GM to not only understand whose intristic value/talent is greater (and it's much harder than it sounds) but also be able to do the BEST thing for the ball club, often using younger, cheaper players in place of really expensive, but more productive vets because the dropoff in production would pale in comparison to the cost/potential factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I think that's one of the most important quality of a good GM to not only understand whose intristic value/talent is greater (and it's much harder than it sounds) but also be able to do the BEST thing for the ball club, often using younger, cheaper players in place of really expensive, but more productive vets because the dropoff in production would pale in comparison to the cost/potential factor. Bingo. You have to get the most "bang for your buck". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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